This going to come as a shock to some but the administration was ill-prepared to implement an ill-advised and poorly thought out policy and then lied about how well it was going while blaming everyone else for any perceived faults.
Quote:The Department of Homeland Security watchdog released a pretty scathing report on the Trump administration's handling of its zero-tolerance border policy.
The report from the DHS inspector general's office confirms many of the problems that were detailed by the media in recent months.
While the White House frequently blamed Democrats and Congress for family separations at the border, the report says the zero-tolerance policy "fundamentally changed DHS' approach to immigration enforcement."
According to the report, the government's decision to limit the number of asylum-seekers may have resulted in more people trying to cross the border illegally. One woman told investigators she tried to cross legally three times before "deciding to take her chances on illegal entry."
The IG says unaccompanied minors were held for long periods in facilities only designed for short-term stays. And it says the lack of coordination between federal agencies "hindered efforts to identify, track, and reunify parents and children."
The report also found a few examples of inaccurate DHS data on separated families. In a statement to NBC News, a DHS spokesperson said the report's findings "illustrate the difficulties in enforcing immigration laws that are broken and poorly written."
Quote:DHS was not fully prepared to implement the Administration’s Zero Tolerance Policy or to deal with some of its after-effects. Faced with resource limitations and other challenges, DHS regulated the number of asylum-seekers entering the country through ports of entry at the same time that it encouraged asylum-seekers to come to the ports. During Zero Tolerance, CBP also held alien children separated from their parents for extended periods in facilities intended solely for short-term detention. DHS also struggled to identify, track, and reunify families separated under Zero Tolerance due to limitations with its information technology systems, including a lack of integration between systems. Finally, DHS provided inconsistent information to aliens who arrived with children during Zero Tolerance, which resulted in some parents not understanding that they would be separated from their children, and being unable to communicate with their children after separation.
Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
At our councilmanic debate, an audience question asked how the candidates would prevent money from being used to education illegal immigrant children. The incumbent, a moderate Democrat, shot down the question and said all children need to be educated in our county. His challenger started to go on a rant about illegal immigrants and then said "I don't want to hear anything about locking kids up because Obama did it too!!".
The audience of mainly seniors erupted at him. He started screaming "It's true! Don't laugh!".
(10-04-2018, 11:06 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: At our councilmanic debate, an audience question asked how the candidates would prevent money from being used to education illegal immigrant children. The incumbent, a moderate Democrat, shot down the question and said all children need to be educated in our county. His challenger started to go on a rant about illegal immigrants and then said "I don't want to hear anything about locking kids up because Obama did it too!!".
The audience of mainly seniors erupted at him. He started screaming "It's true! Don't laugh!".
Quote:The Trump administration separated thousands more migrant children at the US-Mexico border than previously acknowledged, according to a new federal audit.
“More children over a longer period of time” were separated from their family at the border than were previously known, the US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) inspector general told reporters on Thursday. “How many more children were separated is unknown, by us and the HHS.”
The new report illustrates the impact of the Trump administration’s policy of deterrence through separation, which was heavily criticised last year after media reports documented the methods used to separate asylum-seeking families after arrived on the US border seeking refuge.
Those media reports — which documented US officials telling parents they were taking children away for baths, only to never return the kids — led to a June 2018 court order to reunify the estimated 2,500 families that had been separated through the policy. While most of those children were reportedly reunified, the new inspector general report finds that “thousands” of children had been taken into HHS care before the order and it is unclear how many of those thousands were then reunified.
The report also found that the Trump administration repeatedly changed its estimate of the number of children in its care, and who had been separated for their families while trying to enter the US.
In June 2018, for instance, the US government said that there were 2,053 separated children in HHS custody. By October, there were 2,668 — a sharp increase.
Lee Gelernt, the lead attorney and deputy director of the ACLU’s Immigrants’ Rights Project, said in a statement that the inspector general’s report proves the Trump administration had no idea the scope of its policy.
“This policy was a cruel disaster from the start,” Mr Gelernt said. “This report reaffirms that the government never had a clear picture of how many children it ripped from their parents. We will be back in court over this latest revelation.”
In the months that have followed, Mr Trump has now forced a partial government shutdown over border wall funding, and has cited an influx of asylum seekers traveling to the US from Central America as illustrative of the need for stricter border security measures.
In order to re-open the government, Mr Trump has demanded $5.7bn (£4.4bn) in border wall funding. Republican allies of his in the Senate have ensured that no vote relating to government funding bills has been held that does not include that funding since Democrats took control of the House earlier this month.
Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
A leaked memo shows that the Trump administration was floating around the idea of separating families to curb immigration, even as the administration claimed that separations were not a policy but rather a product of the zero tolerance policy.
A leaked memo shows that the Trump administration was floating around the idea of separating families to curb immigration, even as the administration claimed that separations were not a policy but rather a product of the zero tolerance policy.
The gang that couldn't lie straight...
Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
(01-18-2019, 07:42 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: How about; If you don't want to be separated from your family, don't use your kids as human shields when committing and illegal act?
(01-21-2019, 05:32 PM)fredtoast Wrote: It is not illegal to request asylum.
True, but you can also request asylum without crossing the border illegally. On the other hand, it is my understanding that some of these immigrants felt unsafe even in Mexico.
A leaked memo shows that the Trump administration was floating around the idea of separating families to curb immigration, even as the administration claimed that separations were not a policy but rather a product of the zero tolerance policy.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding this, but you can float around an idea while claiming something different is the reality if you haven't enacted your ideas.
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(01-22-2019, 02:49 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Maybe I'm misunderstanding this, but you can float around an idea while claiming something different is the reality if you haven't enacted your ideas.
What if you claim it isn't even your idea and that it always happened?
Then you claim it started at a certain point...but it started months earlier?
Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
(01-22-2019, 02:49 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Maybe I'm misunderstanding this, but you can float around an idea while claiming something different is the reality if you haven't enacted your ideas.
and then the solicitor general reveals that you were actually separating families months before the zero tolerance policy was created.
(01-22-2019, 11:17 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Unless it's effective and we dislike the current administration then we can say it was bleed over from to old administration
Conversely if it's ineffective and we like the current administration then we can say it was bleed over from to old administration.
May not be as cut and dry as you propose; although I think it should be, many do not.
We all fall into that partisan trap every now and then.
Within the context of this thread and my comment, this is a strictly Trump administration policy and the ownership falls on the administration for creating it and implementing it.
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