Stormy kills Bragg case

[Luvnit2]

If it weren't already in deep trouble, the Bragg case against Trump backfired calling a porn star as a star witness that hates Trump. Last week Hope Hicks a prosecution witnessed trashed Cohen and also said Trump's motivation for the extortion by Stormy Daniels was paid to protect his family and his brand and not to win an election.

If CNN calls it out, we know a very bad day for Bragg and the Democrat Buden supporting judge to get a conviction.

I am still waiting for any witness from the prosecution proving the charges are valid. Maybe Cohen, the convicted Trump hating perjurer will get it done.  

https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-legal-analyst-stunned-stormy-daniel-admitting-hates-trump-testimony-big-d-deal

CNN legal analyst stunned by Stormy Daniels admitting that she hates Trump in her testimony: 'Big d--- deal'
Daniels owes Trump roughly $500,000 by court order

CNN legal analyst Elie Honig said that the cross-examination of adult film actress and Trump trial witness Stormy Daniels after her testimony against former President Trump was a disaster.

While Honig said that Daniels' testimony about a sexual encounter with Trump in a hotel room in 2006 was "plausible," her responses under cross-examination by Trump's team called her credibility into question.

"Her responses were disastrous," Honig said, referring to the moment when Daniels admitted that she hates Trump.


"That’s a big deal," Honig said. 


Trump has pleaded not guilty to 34 counts of falsifying business records in the first degree. The charges stem from a years-long investigation by the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office. The charges are related to alleged payments made ahead of the 2016 presidential election to silence Daniels about an alleged 2006 extramarital affair with Trump.

"When the witness hates the person whose liberty is at stake, that’s a big d--- deal!" Honig said. "And she’s putting out tweets, fantasizing about him being in jail. That really undermines the credibility."

[*Nately120*]

Does this stuff matter if the case is being brought by a corrupt judge who has it rigged against Trump? Stuff like this would affect a fair trial, but a lot of people are saying the judge and jury hate Trump so much that it'd be hard to imagine any of the stuff that actually happens in the court room would matter if they are dead-set on convicting him.

[GMDino]

https://apnews.com/article/trump-trial-hush-money-stormy-daniels-manhattan-f4f26333698f3a5ed73943ff805734b3

Quote:Hicks told jurors that Trump claimed he did not know anything about his then-attorney Michael Cohen paying $130,000 to Daniels to prevent her from going public with claims of a sexual encounter with Trump. But, Hicks said, Trump eventually came to believe that burying Daniels’ story was prudent, saying he thought “it would have been bad to have that story come out before the election.”


At other points, Hicks’ testimony appeared to help the defense’s contention that the former president was trying to protect his reputation and family — not his campaign — by shielding them from embarrassing stories about his personal life. Trump has denied any wrongdoing in the case, which he has slammed as an effort to derail his campaign to reclaim the White House in November.
Under questioning by Trump’s attorney, Hicks told jurors that he was worried about the effect of the “Access Hollywood” tape on his family. And when the Wall Street Journal published a story revealing ex-Playboy Model Karen McDougal’s affair allegations right before the election, Hicks said Trump was concerned about his wife seeing the story and asked Hicks to make sure newspapers weren’t delivered to their residence that morning.

But when asked if Trump was also worried about the story’s impact on the campaign, Hicks responded that everything they spoke about during that time was viewed through the lens of the campaign. Trump would often asking her, “How is it playing?” as a way of gauging how his appearances, speeches and policies were landing with voters, she said.

[Belsnickel]

The problem with theories about the credibility of witnesses is that when the documents support their statements, it doesn't really matter. Like, we all know Cohen is a lying cheat, but the evidence supports his statements. Pecker is a sleazeball, but the evidence supports his statements. It's amusing to me when people tend to forget about the evidence.

[*Nately120*]

(05-08-2024, 03:01 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: The problem with theories about the credibility of witnesses is that when the documents support their statements, it doesn't really matter. Like, we all know Cohen is a lying cheat, but the evidence supports his statements. Pecker is a sleazeball, but the evidence supports his statements. It's amusing to me when people tend to forget about the evidence.

I assume if we only take testimony from people who are totally clean and innocent and saints that a more guilty people would walk on charges.  I'd wager a lot of people who are rightly in jail right now are there because someone who was bad but wasn't as bad as them testified against them.

[XenoMorph]

(05-08-2024, 01:34 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: If it weren't already in deep trouble, the Bragg case against Trump backfired calling a porn star as a star witness that hates Trump. Last week Hope Hicks a prosecution witnessed trashed Cohen and also said Trump's motivation for the extortion by Stormy Daniels was paid to protect his family and his brand and not to win an election.

If CNN calls it out, we know a very bad day for Bragg and the Democrat Buden supporting judge to get a conviction.

I am still waiting for any witness from the prosecution proving the charges are valid. Maybe Cohen, the convicted Trump hating perjurer will get it done.  

https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-legal-analyst-stunned-stormy-daniel-admitting-hates-trump-testimony-big-d-deal

CNN legal analyst stunned by Stormy Daniels admitting that she hates Trump in her testimony: 'Big d--- deal'
Daniels owes Trump roughly $500,000 by court order

CNN legal analyst Elie Honig said that the cross-examination of adult film actress and Trump trial witness Stormy Daniels after her testimony against former President Trump was a disaster.

While Honig said that Daniels' testimony about a sexual encounter with Trump in a hotel room in 2006 was "plausible," her responses under cross-examination by Trump's team called her credibility into question.

"Her responses were disastrous," Honig said, referring to the moment when Daniels admitted that she hates Trump.


"That’s a big deal," Honig said. 


Trump has pleaded not guilty to 34 counts of falsifying business records in the first degree. The charges stem from a years-long investigation by the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office. The charges are related to alleged payments made ahead of the 2016 presidential election to silence Daniels about an alleged 2006 extramarital affair with Trump.

"When the witness hates the person whose liberty is at stake, that’s a big d--- deal!" Honig said. "And she’s putting out tweets, fantasizing about him being in jail. That really undermines the credibility."

Like the other cases this also has no legs... and is just an attempt at election interference

[*Nately120*]

(05-08-2024, 04:15 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: Like the other cases this also has no legs... and is just an attempt at election interference

Wouldn't letting this go without even a trial open the door to politicians being allowed to interfere with elections and then when they are called out they can say that the people looking into their election interference and causing election interference? 

The ultimate larf of this whole thing is that if Trump hadn't buried this story and the emails thing wouldn't have been brought against Hillary, she probably would have won and then covid would have sunk her and Trump would be president now after winning in 2020 and likely getting a second term in 2024.

[NATI BENGALS]

Can a guy simply not cheat on his 3rd wife with a porn star and commit a little financial fraud to pay her off and bury the story to rig an election in peace anymore? What has this world come to? Thank god the religious right is helping prop up this quality, high character, young man.

If only Epstein was still around to see how his old buddy was being treated so unfairly.

[*Nately120*]

(05-08-2024, 06:00 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Can a guy simply not cheat on his 3rd wife with a porn star and commit a little financial fraud to pay her off and bury the story to rig an election in peace anymore? What has this world come to? Thank god the religious right is helping prop up this quality, high character, young man.

If only Epstein was still around to see how his old buddy was being treated so unfairly.

It's amusing that the "grab them by the p***y"  thing turned out to be a non issue for his base, but he committed actual fraud to cover this up as if his supporters wouldn't think that cheating on your pregnant wife wasn't an admirable alpha male move.

Or maybe he figured if he didn't cover this up he might lose in 2016, and if he did cover it up he'd be too powerful to have to answer for it by the time it was known...that seems like the route that paid off for him.  That'd be like a poor person robbing a bank and as soon as the police see he has the money being like "We can't arrest him, he's too rich."

[HarleyDog]

(05-08-2024, 01:41 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Does this stuff matter if the case is being brought by a corrupt judge who has it rigged against Trump?  

Not really. You know,  that I know,  that you know,  there's no way on God's green earth he's receiving a fair trial. In a trial of this magnitude, there is a duty to make sure the conflicts in this case with the judge, his daughter, and the fiasco of jurisprudence the judge has allowed in the courtroom by prosecutors and witnesses are beyond anyone, even you (doesn't matter if you admit or not) can't walk away after this is over believing he received a fair trial. If found innocent or guilty, this case will create's angst in the eyes of the public against our judicial system. This trial may be legitimate in many eyes, but the handling is embarrassing on the national stage.

This is a good example of what many minorities have been screaming for some time. If they don't like you, you don't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting a fair trial. A weaponized judicial system does not belong in our country. That's a China/Russia thing. 

[*pally*]

(05-08-2024, 09:11 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: Not really. You know,  that I know,  that you know,  there's no way on God's green earth he's receiving a fair trial. In a trial of this magnitude, there is a duty to make sure the conflicts in this case with the judge, his daughter, and the fiasco of jurisprudence the judge has allowed in the courtroom by prosecutors and witnesses are beyond anyone, even you (doesn't matter if you admit or not) can't walk away after this is over believing he received a fair trial. If found innocent or guilty, this case will create's angst in the eyes of the public against our judicial system. This trial may be legitimate in many eyes, but the handling is embarrassing on the national stage.

This is a good example of what many minorities have been screaming for some time. If they don't like you, you don't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting a fair trial. A weaponized judicial system does not belong in our country. That's a China/Russia thing. 

but you are ok with a trial judge Trump appointed to the bench running a trial for him or a Supreme Court with 3 Trump appointees hearing his appeals.  Oh and let us not forget Clarence Thomas and his wife who was knee deep in the Jan 6th conspiracies but he isn't conflicted.

Be real...Trump will whine about the trial not being far regardless of who the Judge is.  Remember the Trump University case...the Judge was of Mexican descent therefore couldn't be fair.  

Trump's followers will follow his clues like lemmings.  No trial for Trump will ever be fair because he is above the law

[*Nately120*]

(05-08-2024, 09:11 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: This is a good example of what many minorities have been screaming for some time. If they don't like you, you don't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting a fair trial. A weaponized judicial system does not belong in our country. That's a China/Russia thing. 

It figures that entire generations of minorities had to suffer through this, but we could only see it once it happened to a white billionaire. It actually reminds me of the time 35 years ago some of NYC's most elite and corrupt were wrongfully going after 5 men of color for a crime they didn't commit. Some people were even calling for them to be put to death, and they weren't even found guilty. Of course those NYC elitists didn't even apologize. It's sad and pathetic, really.

[Luvnit2]

(05-08-2024, 01:41 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Does this stuff matter if the case is being brought by a corrupt judge who has it rigged against Trump?  Stuff like this would affect a fair trial, but a lot of people are saying the judge and jury hate Trump so much that it'd be hard to imagine any of the stuff that actually happens in the court room would matter if they are dead-set on convicting him.

It will matter on appeal. No way any conviction holds up now as Daniels brought nothing to the case indictment. She tainted the jury, and the judge did not stop her. 

If Trump is acquitted in a corrupt NYC court room, it would doom Democrats in November. 

[Luvnit2]

(05-08-2024, 06:00 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Can a guy simply not cheat on his 3rd wife with a porn star and commit a little financial fraud to pay her off and bury the story to rig an election in peace anymore? What has this world come to? Thank god the religious right is helping prop up this quality, high character, young man.

If only Epstein was still around to see how his old buddy was being treated so unfairly.

This trial is not about Trump's sex life. Please provide evidence the bimbo provided on the actual charges.

Then explain why it 2018 she stated she did not have an affair with Trump. She extorted him, got the money and then confessed no affair.

Which is it? Which time did she lie?

[Luvnit2]

(05-08-2024, 06:08 PM)Nately120 Wrote: It's amusing that the "grab them by the p***y"  thing turned out to be a non issue for his base, but he committed actual fraud to cover this up as if his supporters wouldn't think that cheating on your pregnant wife wasn't an admirable alpha male move.

Or maybe he figured if he didn't cover this up he might lose in 2016, and if he did cover it up he'd be too powerful to have to answer for it by the time it was known...that seems like the route that paid off for him.  That'd be like a poor person robbing a bank and as soon as the police see he has the money being like "We can't arrest him, he's too rich."

Bill Clinton was serviced in the oval office from a young intern. Yet, Democrats defended him. Clinton paid off Paula Jones who he allegedly raped. Clinton had money sexual scandals, yet Democrat base had no problem with it.

Why should Republicans care if Trump cheated on his wife? Why should anyone care? It has no bearing on his ability to run the US. We already know he did a great job and if not for a pandemic he would be the POTUS now. But good things come to those with patience, he will be beat Biden in November to the dismay of you and many others who act as though they have never sinned. 

You post as though you are the perfect human being. I know I sin; I know every person is a sinner. But we are saved bu the bllod of Jesus.

[Luvnit2]

(05-08-2024, 09:40 PM)pally Wrote: but you are ok with a trial judge Trump appointed to the bench running a trial for him or a Supreme Court with 3 Trump appointees hearing his appeals.  Oh and let us not forget Clarence Thomas and his wife who was knee deep in the Jan 6th conspiracies but he isn't conflicted.

Be real...Trump will whine about the trial not being far regardless of who the Judge is.  Remember the Trump University case...the Judge was of Mexican descent therefore couldn't be fair.  

Trump's followers will follow his clues like lemmings.  No trial for Trump will ever be fair because he is above the law

Your ignorance of history astonishes me. Please name one lead candidate for POTUS placed on trial in an election year.

You say that is fair so will you applaud Trump if he does the same to the 2028 Democrat nominee. He won't and he won't go after Biden, but if he did your rage against Trump would blind you.

Democrats are making history indicting a former President and leading GOP candidate for 2024, they better win the case(s) or bad news long term, not just short term for their political party future.

[*pally*]

(05-08-2024, 11:14 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Your ignorance of history astonishes me. Please name one lead candidate for POTUS placed on trial in an election year.

You say that is fair so will you applaud Trump if he does the same to the 2028 Democrat nominee. He won't and he won't go after Biden, but if he did your rage against Trump would blind you.

Democrats are making history indicting a former President and leading GOP candidate for 2024, they better win the case(s) or bad news long term, not just short term for their political party future.

name one presidential candidate whom 4 separate jurisdictions have legitimately indicted for criminal activities.  That's in addition to being found liable for sexual assault and defamation

You all seem to think Trump is above the law and shouldn't be held accountable for his illegal actions.  Strange concept for someone who takes an oath to defend the Constitution and runs on a policy of law and order

Maybe Trump should have thought about the consequences before he broke the law.  

running for President isn't a get-out-of-jail-free card.  It is not the problem of the Democrats that MAGA Republicans seem to think Donald Trump is the best candidate they have for President.  You all dive deep into the swamp and whine when you get dirty.  Maybe you should hold your candidate to a higher standard

[*Nately120*]

(05-08-2024, 11:09 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: You post as though you are the perfect human being.

This is the biggest load of horseshit you've ever spouted and you know it. I can't even address the rest of your argument, I'm so speechless at this one.

[GMDino]

(05-08-2024, 11:14 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Your ignorance of history astonishes me. Please name one lead candidate for POTUS placed on trial in an election year.

You say that is fair so will you applaud Trump if he does the same to the 2028 Democrat nominee. He won't and he won't go after Biden, but if he did your rage against Trump would blind you.

Democrats are making history indicting a former President and leading GOP candidate for 2024, they better win the case(s) or bad news long term, not just short term for their political party future.

If Trump's DOJ, or an individual state put together a case, got an indictment and went to trial I would base my response on the evidence presented...not TDS.

This is not the first time Trump has been in court because of his own actions...starting long before he was POTUS.

Remove the blinders, take off the orange colored glasses and see someone about the TDS you suffer from.

[GMDino]

(05-08-2024, 11:09 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Bill Clinton was serviced in the oval office from a young intern. Yet, Democrats defended him. Clinton paid off Paula Jones who he allegedly raped. Clinton had money sexual scandals, yet Democrat base had no problem with it.

Why should Republicans care if Trump cheated on his wife? Why should anyone care? It has no bearing on his ability to run the US. We already know he did a great job and if not for a pandemic he would be the POTUS now. But good things come to those with patience, he will be beat Biden in November to the dismay of you and many others who act as though they have never sinned. 

You post as though you are the perfect human being. I know I sin; I know every person is a sinner. But we are saved bu the bllod of Jesus.

Bill Clinton has his own court problems, yes.

Democrats said the BJ wasn't worth impeaching him over.  Lying under oath was a different beast.  I've rea many things that Clinton was too smart by half in answering the questions exactly as asked and saying he answered truthfully (the questioners had pre-defined "sexual relations" and didn't include oral).

Obviously this case is not about him rawdogging an adult film star...it's about how he used funds to pay her off.

You probably know that but need to defend Trump so much that you'll invoke Jesus Christ.  I do wonder, since you brought it up, when Trump has asked for forgiveness for his transgressions.  Any of them. 

Maybe you have an example of that?

It seems he denies then claims he is the victim.