Stupid Things Said At The Democratic Debate

[Mike M (the other one)]

(07-01-2019, 12:42 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Democrats: Immigrants would get health care

Republicans: WHAT ABOUT OUR CITIZENS?

Democrats: Yea, them too obviously

Republicans: ... NO THAT'S SOCIALISM!!!

LOL probably true, but we need to be able to develop a system that takes care of our own first. I don't want to end up with a broken system that is over loaded because of non-USC's.

[Belsnickel]

(07-02-2019, 07:48 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: LOL probably true, but we need to be able to develop a system that takes care of our own first. I don't want to end up with a broken system that is over loaded because of non-USC's.

Well, that's where we are now. So we can only look up!

[*Nately120*]

(07-02-2019, 07:48 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: LOL probably true, but we need to be able to develop a system that takes care of our own first. I don't want to end up with a broken system that is over loaded because of non-USC's.

Meh, people already complain that US citizens who "don't deserve it" are getting treated too well.  No matter how great things get there are always going to be people who are upset because they perceive people who supposedly deserve it less are getting treated too well.

It's like me saying that I'll start donating to charity when I'm comfortable enough with the money I have to do so. I can go my whole life and never feel secure enough to start giving, but I can always convince myself that I'll be a good person tomorrow as long as things get better. Enough republican politicians must have pointed out that people with smart phones are getting medical assistance, because for some reason I keep hearing that poor people would maybe deserve healthcare if they would just use land lines...apparently.

Die in the street, you leech! Oh, you dropped your verizon plan? Nice...ok, now I have no problem with you getting $100k worth of medical coverage just like I would if I needed it.

[BFritz21]

What I heard most from this debate was "we'll give away FREE EVERYTHING!"

[CJD]

(07-02-2019, 10:32 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: What I heard most from this debate was "we'll give away FREE EVERYTHING!"

I also hate when my government does things that benefit me.

[*bfine32*]

(07-02-2019, 10:48 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: I also hate when my government does things that benefit me.

I feel ya. Where the hell do they think this money comes from? 

[CJD]

(07-02-2019, 11:04 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I feel ya. Where the hell do they think this money comes from? 

I mean, they probably think it comes from the taxes they take out of every single working person's (citizen and non-citizen) paycheck each month, but I can't say for sure. They'd probably want to increase that amount to pay for it or something.

[GMDino]

(07-02-2019, 11:04 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I feel ya. Where the hell do they think this money comes from? 

Same place the loan money came from?

[*bfine32*]

(07-02-2019, 11:14 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: I mean, they probably think it comes from the taxes they take out of every single working person's (citizen and non-citizen) paycheck each month, but I can't say for sure. They'd probably want to increase that amount to pay for it or something.

So taking out more taxes on me , benefits me?

[BmorePat87]

(07-02-2019, 11:19 PM)bfine32 Wrote: So taking out more taxes on me , benefits me?

If your increased taxes are outweighed by reduced health care or education spending then yes. 

I feel like this concept is pretty universally understood as being the argument behind these plans, even if someone disagrees with it.

[CJD]

(07-02-2019, 11:19 PM)bfine32 Wrote: So taking out more taxes on me , benefits me?

Yea, if you no longer have to pay a premium and the increase in taxes isn't higher than that premium (or if the benefits are superior to what your insurance that you paid a premium for provided, which medicare for all theoretically is).

Alternatively, they could also use the money they already collect more efficiently or effectively to serve the people who they collect that money from.

There are options there.

[*bfine32*]

(07-02-2019, 11:26 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: If your increased taxes are outweighed by reduced health care or education spending then yes. 

I feel like this concept is pretty universally understood as being the argument behind these plans, even if someone disagrees with it.

Quote:Yea, if you no longer have to pay a premium and the increase in taxes isn't higher than that premium (or if the benefits are superior to what your insurance that you paid a premium for provided, which medicare for all theoretically is).

Quote:Alternatively, they could also use the money they already collect more efficiently or effectively to serve the people who they collect that money from.

There are options there.

It's universally understood by those who would benefit from it. I have great health care and I'm happy with the premium I pay. So I cannot get behind the universal understanding of raising my taxes to benefit me. 

[CJD]

(07-02-2019, 11:47 PM)bfine32 Wrote: It's universally understood by those who would benefit from it. I have great health care and I'm happy with the premium I pay. So I cannot get behind the universal understanding of raising my taxes to benefit me. 

It's my understanding that Medicare for All would be an option that you can take instead of private insurance. I assume that if you don't take the option, your taxes wouldn't increase under most of the candidates' proposed plans.

Of course, we can't be sure of the structure of it until it is made into a bill, but that is the intention, to my understanding.

[*bfine32*]

(07-02-2019, 11:58 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: It's my understanding that Medicare for All would be an option that you can take instead of private insurance. I assume that if you don't take the option, your taxes wouldn't increase under most of the candidates' proposed plans.

Of course, we can't be sure of the structure of it until it is made into a bill, but that is the intention, to my understanding.

This is truly news to me. If I opt out of Medicare for all, none of my tax dollars will be used to finance it? If that is true then I have 0 idea why anyone would be against it. 

[CJD]

(07-03-2019, 12:18 AM)bfine32 Wrote: This is truly news to me. If I opt out of Medicare for all, none of my tax dollars will be used to finance it? If that is true then I have 0 idea why anyone would be against it. 

Well, the term "opt in" is used often when referring to it. So I assume the medicare for all tax would be broken out of your federal taxes and only applied if you opted in.

Similarly to how social security, medicare and state and local taxes are separate from your federal taxes.

If this isn't the case, then I'd amend my opinion, but this is the impression I've gotten during the discussions.

Your surprise about this makes me wonder if I'm misunderstanding the proposal (and universal healthcare in general), but to my knowledge, federal taxes don't go towards the ACA either. As far as I know, the ACA is funded by those who use it and those who paid the penalty (when it was legal) for not having insurance.

I'm open to sources from anyone who knows more definitively.

[NATI BENGALS]

(07-02-2019, 10:32 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: What I heard most from this debate was "we'll give away FREE EVERYTHING!"

Hmm. Weird. I heard stuff about healthcare being a human right, education investments in our population, environmental conservation, and compassion for humankind. 

[BFritz21]

(07-02-2019, 10:48 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: I also hate when my government does things that benefit me.

Government does so much for people, but what it's not supposed to do is just hand out free everything, which is what the Democrats want.

(07-03-2019, 01:07 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Hmm. Weird. I heard stuff about healthcare being a human right, education investments in our population, environmental conservation, and compassion for humankind. 

Food is a human right, so should the government be giving the same amount and quality of food that rich people (or even just people getting by with average incomes) to those who can't afford it?

I'd say food is more of a human right than healthcare is.

It's also just not feasible to give away free healthcare for all.

Giving away $1,000 each month to each citizen over 18?  That's not giving away free stuff?

College is a privilege, not a right.  Giving it away to everyone lessens its credibility and meaning.

Watch the debate again because I think you're just like every other Democrat and brainwashed by the thought of free stuff.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(07-03-2019, 02:07 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: Government does so much for people, but what it's not supposed to do is just hand out free everything, which is what the Democrats want.

Food is a human right, so should the government be giving the same amount and quality of food that rich people (or even just people getting by with average incomes) to those who can't afford it?

I'd say food is more of a human right than healthcare is.

It's also just not feasible to give away free healthcare for all.

Giving away $1,000 each month to each citizen over 18?  That's not giving away free stuff?

College is a privilege, not a right.  Giving it away to everyone lessens its credibility and meaning.

Watch the debate again because I think you're just like every other Democrat and brainwashed by the thought of free stuff.

Doesn't the government give you free stuff?

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(07-02-2019, 07:48 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: LOL probably true, but we need to be able to develop a system that takes care of our own first. I don't want to end up with a broken system that is over loaded because of non-USC's.

The Kaiser Foundation has done plenty of research that indicates the vast majority of patients over burdening our ER system and not paying for their care are blue collar US citizens who work crappy jobs without employor sponsored health insurance. Not illegal immigrants despite all the conservative fear mongering.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(07-02-2019, 11:19 PM)bfine32 Wrote: So taking out more taxes on me , benefits me?

That increased military spending we don't need isn't going to pay for itself, is it? No.