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[*PhilHos*]

(09-21-2020, 02:52 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Ida know, there are assertions that teachers are overpaid, lazy, and union-slugs and that public education is a bunch of liberal brainwashing...methinks there is more of a movement to undermine and undercut public education than you think.

Sure, people complain about public education but usually the answer is things like school choice/vouchers among many others. While you could argue that's an indirect way to "end public education", I still don't think it's on par with people calling for the abolition of law enforcement funding.

[Mickeypoo]

(09-21-2020, 02:52 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Ida know, there are assertions that teachers are overpaid, lazy, and union-slugs and that public education is a bunch of liberal brainwashing...methinks there is more of a movement to undermine and undercut public education than you think.

Maybe some of those opinions stem from stuff like this?

https://www.kusi.com/a-los-angeles-teachers-union-says-public-schools-should-not-reopen-unless-their-demands-are-met/

As far as the brainwashing, it's pretty well known that academia is very liberal and there are plenty of tweets and videos showing profs pushing a liberal political agenda.

[*Nately120*]

(09-21-2020, 02:55 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Sure, people complain about public education but usually the answer is things like school choice/vouchers among many others. While you could argue that's an indirect way to "end public education", I still don't think it's on par with people calling for the abolition of law enforcement funding.

I'm talking more about the propaganda against teachers.  That's been a noteworthy talking point of the neo-cons for about a decade by my count.  I'll admit some of the more vocal "haters of all things liberal" have been voicing what seem to be some very spoon-fed whining points about the situation.

I'm not comparing it to anything, I'm just saying there is long-term undermining of public education going on.

[*Nately120*]

(09-21-2020, 02:55 PM)Mickeypoo Wrote: Maybe some of those opinions stem from stuff like this?

https://www.kusi.com/a-los-angeles-teachers-union-says-public-schools-should-not-reopen-unless-their-demands-are-met/

As far as the brainwashing, it's pretty well known that academia is very liberal and there are plenty of tweets and videos showing profs pushing a liberal political agenda.

Thanks for helping my point along.

By the way, nothing is stopping republicans from becoming educators. 

[*PhilHos*]

(09-21-2020, 03:03 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I'm talking more about the propaganda against teachers.  That's been a noteworthy talking point of the neo-cons for about a decade by my count.  I'll admit some of the more vocal "haters of all things liberal" have been voicing what seem to be some very spoon-fed whining points about the situation.

I'm not comparing it to anything, I'm just saying there is long-term undermining of public education going on.

I disagree. Yes, when it comes to secondary education, there's been many a talking point about liberalism running rampant on campus, but when I think public education, I think primary education (K-12). And I don't see the same type of talking points about public education being liberal or any of those other things. Heck, I've heard more people say teachers are UNDERpaid than overpaid. 

[fredtoast]

(09-18-2020, 07:52 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote:  Replacing law enforcement with a community based "public safety system" is getting rid of law enforcement. 

No it is not.

It includes law enforcement to address criminal behavior.

https://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-city-council-votes-unanimously-for-proposal-that-could-replace-police-department/571504662/

Less than three weeks after they promised to begin work on ]ending” the Minneapolis Police Department, some City Council members pushed forward a new vision for law enforcement Friday that would still include officers on the streets.

The council voted unanimously to advance a proposal that would create a new Department of Community Safety and Violence Prevention. Within that, the city could create a division that includes “licensed peace officers,”


You are welcome for the education

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(09-21-2020, 03:09 PM)fredtoast Wrote: No it is not.

It includes law enforcement to address criminal behavior.

https://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-city-council-votes-unanimously-for-proposal-that-could-replace-police-department/571504662/

Less than three weeks after they promised to begin work on ]ending” the Minneapolis Police Department, some City Council members pushed forward a new vision for law enforcement Friday that would still include officers on the streets.

The council voted unanimously to advance a proposal that would create a new Department of Community Safety and Violence Prevention. Within that, the city could create a division that includes “licensed peace officers,”


You are welcome for the education

Licensed peace officers does not mean law enforcement.  There are numerous sworn peace officers that are not LEO's.

I'll keep waiting for that education though, I'm sure it'll be entertaining at the very least.

[*Nately120*]

(09-21-2020, 03:09 PM)PhilHos Wrote: I disagree. Yes, when it comes to secondary education, there's been many a talking point about liberalism running rampant on campus, but when I think public education, I think primary education (K-12). And I don't see the same type of talking points about public education being liberal or any of those other things. Heck, I've heard more people say teachers are UNDERpaid than overpaid. 

Hey, as a schlub who is married to a public education teacher I hope I'm wrong as hell on this one.  

[*PhilHos*]

(09-21-2020, 03:15 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Hey, as a schlub who is married to a public education teacher I hope I'm wrong as hell on this one.  

My wife is getting her degree so she can become a public education teacher. Give me 3 more years and I'll let you know. 

[fredtoast]

Public education is socialism.

[*PhilHos*]

(09-21-2020, 03:21 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Public education is socialism.

Isn't our school system considered pretty bad globally speaking?

[*Nately120*]

(09-21-2020, 03:19 PM)PhilHos Wrote: My wife is getting her degree so she can become a public education teacher. Give me 3 more years and I'll let you know. 

How do you handle being married to someone who is so ultra liberal and brainwashed?

[Belsnickel]

(09-21-2020, 03:09 PM)PhilHos Wrote: I disagree. Yes, when it comes to secondary education, there's been many a talking point about liberalism running rampant on campus, but when I think public education, I think primary education (K-12). And I don't see the same type of talking points about public education being liberal or any of those other things. Heck, I've heard more people say teachers are UNDERpaid than overpaid. 

I think you mean POST-secondary education. Primary is K-5 (or up to K-8 depending on the area) and secondary is 9-12 (or as wide a range as 6-12 depending on the area).

[*PhilHos*]

(09-21-2020, 03:27 PM)Nately120 Wrote: How do you handle being married to someone who is so ultra liberal and brainwashed?

She's just started her 2nd year of education. She's not quite brainwashed yet.

(09-21-2020, 03:28 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I think you mean POST-secondary education. Primary is K-5 (or up to K-8 depending on the area) and secondary is 9-12 (or as wide a range as 6-12 depending on the area).

You would be correct, sir!

[*Nately120*]

(09-21-2020, 03:31 PM)PhilHos Wrote: She's just started her 2nd year of education. She's not quite brainwashed yet.

You can't get your degree until you swear allegiance to Karl Marx.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(09-21-2020, 02:47 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Except no one's calling for an end to public education. 

Except those promoting school choice like Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos.

[*PhilHos*]

(09-21-2020, 03:39 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Except those promoting school choice like Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos.

Getting to decide which school your child goes to equals getting rid of public education? 

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(09-21-2020, 03:40 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Getting to decide which school your child goes to equals getting rid of public education? 

If you're funneling public funds to private schools so people like Betsy DeVos can profit, yes.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(09-21-2020, 03:32 PM)Nately120 Wrote: You can't get your degree until you swear allegiance to Karl Marx.

Luckily I got mine prior to that requirement.

[*PhilHos*]

(09-21-2020, 03:42 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: If you're funneling public funds to private schools so people like Betsy DeVos can profit, yes.

You think that poorly of our public education system and so highly of private schools that you think giving people a choice means that they will ALL choose the far superior private schools?