Target removes gender based signage for kids

[SteelCitySouth]

(08-25-2015, 12:41 PM)Benton Wrote: Agreed.

But you're going to get the slippery slope argument: 'if we let people have sex with same sex partners, then we might as well let people have sex with kids.' They tend to ignore one is between consenting adults and the other is between an adult and a kid.

Bfine is already throwing up the pedophilia flag because he has no other way to discourage people.

I tend to deal with slippery slop arguments the way everyone should.  Point and laugh.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(08-25-2015, 12:41 PM)Benton Wrote: Agreed.

But you're going to get the slippery slope argument: 'if we let people have sex with same sex partners, then we might as well let people have sex with kids.' They tend to ignore one is between consenting adults and the other is between an adult and a kid.

Bfine is already throwing up the pedophilia flag because he has no other way to discourage people.

Plus he is attempting to categorize homosexuality as a mental disorder similar to pedophelia. I believe he has previously stated homosexuality is a mental disorder  

[jakefromstatefarm]

The GOP is a joke, but if they wanted to regain any faith or confidence in the American voters, it would be wise for them to STFU about social issues like SSM and drug legalization. Abortion is another matter, but there's already plenty of threads here to discuss that part.

Both SSM and MJ legalization (or decriminalization if you prefer) are both things that should coincide with the conservative beliefs of limited government and individual liberty, but the moral nanny statists in the GOP can't see through their own hypocrisy.

Voting for the lesser of two evils leaves us with evil regardless.

[RICHMONDBENGAL_07]

(08-25-2015, 01:13 PM)jakefromstatefarm Wrote: The GOP is a joke, but if they wanted to regain any faith or confidence in the American voters, it would be wise for them to STFU about social issues like SSM and drug legalization.  Abortion is another matter, but there's already plenty of threads here to discuss that part.

Both SSM and MJ legalization (or decriminalization if you prefer) are both things that should coincide with the conservative beliefs of limited government and individual liberty, but the moral nanny statists in the GOP can't see through their own hypocrisy.  

Voting for the lesser of two evils leaves us with evil regardless.

It's like you speak in cliché's.

[jakefromstatefarm]

(08-25-2015, 01:59 PM)RICHMONDBENGAL_07 Wrote: It's like you speak in cliché's.

Okay.  

[*bfine32*]

(08-25-2015, 12:41 PM)Benton Wrote: Agreed.

But you're going to get the slippery slope argument: 'if we let people have sex with same sex partners, then we might as well let people have sex with kids.' They tend to ignore one is between consenting adults and the other is between an adult and a kid.

Bfine is already throwing up the pedophilia flag because he has no other way to discourage people.

I'm not arguing the morality; I'm arguing the science. I simply disagree with the notion that homosexuality is genetic just as I disagree pedophilia is genetic. I'm of the opinion that both occur in the mind, not in the genes. I know full well there is no comparison of the societal behavior of the homosexual and the pedophile; I just feel there could be a similar process in the brain that motivates each.
 
There is no consensus to the cause of homosexuality, but somehow you are traversing a slippery-slope if you think it might be a function of the brain as opposed to the body. Hell pat compared it to autism and no one raise an eyebrow; why was that? Someone else compared it to eye color. The majority of the people in the world have brown eyes, yet in Iceland 88% of the population is born with either Green or Blue. Guess why that is? Is there a place in the world where folks are born more frequently with this gay trait?

[Belsnickel]

(08-25-2015, 03:17 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I'm not arguing the morality; I'm arguing the science. I simply disagree with the notion that homosexuality is genetic just as I disagree pedophilia is genetic. I'm of the opinion that both occur in the mind, not in the genes. I know full well there is no comparison of the societal behavior of the homosexual and the pedophile; I just feel there could be a similar process in the brain that motivates each.
 
There is no consensus to the cause of homosexuality, but somehow you are traversing a slippery-slope if you think it might be a function of the brain as opposed to the body. Hell pat compared it to autism and no one raise an eyebrow; why was that? Someone else compared it to eye color. The majority of the people in the world have brown eyes, yet in Iceland 88% of the population is born with either Green or Blue. Guess why that is? Is there a place in the world where folks are born more frequently with this gay trait?

The brain is a part of the body. Differences in brain functionality often have to do with the chemistry occurring there which is controlled, in a large part, by the way genes are expressed. So saying it is something in the brain is not at all disconnecting it from genetics as genetics plays a part in the way our brain reacts to certain things as well.

[Benton]

(08-25-2015, 03:17 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I'm not arguing the morality; I'm arguing the science. I simply disagree with the notion that homosexuality is genetic just as I disagree pedophilia is genetic. I'm of the opinion that both occur in the mind, not in the genes. I know full well there is no comparison of the societal behavior of the homosexual and the pedophile; I just feel there could be a similar process in the brain that motivates each.
 
There is no consensus to the cause of homosexuality, but somehow you are traversing a slippery-slope if you think it might be a function of the brain as opposed to the body. Hell pat compared it to autism and no one raise an eyebrow; why was that? Someone else compared it to eye color. The majority of the people in the world have brown eyes, yet in Iceland 88% of the population is born with either Green or Blue. Guess why that is? Is there a place in the world where folks are born more frequently with this gay trait?

No, I think you're suggesting traversing a slippery slope by drawing connections between pedophiles and homosexual. 

It's asinine and an attempt to make one seem as deplorable as the other.

[Belsnickel]

(08-25-2015, 03:27 PM)Benton Wrote: No, I think you're suggesting traversing a slippery slope by drawing connections between pedophiles and homosexual. 

It's asinine and an attempt to make one seem as deplorable as the other.

What the motives of bfine were in the post I cannot be certain, I am not him. I do have to say, however, that the concept of what gender we are attracted to and the attraction to pre-pubescent children originating in the same way is not necessarily done in the way you are thinking. If we are comparing the actions themselves, then I would agree with you, but when speaking simply of the attraction itself there is a possibility it could originate from the same place just based on a different genetic expression of the sensitivity of a certain receptor being slightly different.

Does that mean that homosexual activity should be on the same level as pedophilia? Absolutely not, because one involves consenting adults and one does not.

[Benton]

(08-25-2015, 03:33 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: What the motives of bfine were in the post I cannot be certain, I am not him. I do have to say, however, that the concept of what gender we are attracted to and the attraction to pre-pubescent children originating in the same way is not necessarily done in the way you are thinking. If we are comparing the actions themselves, then I would agree with you, but when speaking simply of the attraction itself there is a possibility it could originate from the same place just based on a different genetic expression of the sensitivity of a certain receptor being slightly different.

Does that mean that homosexual activity should be on the same level as pedophilia? Absolutely not, because one involves consenting adults and one does not.

I don't disagree with that.

What I'm referring to is this discussion is years old between the same people and at some point Bfine starts bringing up pedophiles.It's irrelevant, but he brings it up anyway.

[fredtoast]

(08-25-2015, 03:17 PM)bfine32 Wrote:  I know full well there is no comparison of the societal behavior of the homosexual and the pedophile; I just feel there could be a similar process in the brain that motivates each.

But when you asked the question didn't you expect most people to claim that pedophilia was also a genetic trait instead of a choice?

Or do you have some undisputed proof that pedophilia is a choice?

I don't really know where you were trying to go with that.







Well, actually I know exactly where you were going.  It is one of the most common tactics in every thread I see regarding homosexuality.  Start comparing homosexuality to pedophilia and beastiality.  Seriously, it is the most common and lamest argument out there, yet it pops up in almost every discussion of homosexuality/

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(08-25-2015, 03:17 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I'm not arguing the morality; I'm arguing the science. I simply disagree with the notion that homosexuality is genetic just as I disagree pedophilia is genetic. I'm of the opinion that both occur in the mind, not in the genes. I know full well there is no comparison of the societal behavior of the homosexual and the pedophile; I just feel there could be a similar process in the brain that motivates each.
 
There is no consensus to the cause of homosexuality, but somehow you are traversing a slippery-slope if you think it might be a function of the brain as opposed to the body.

No, you are not traversing a slipper slope by questioning if something has a genetic or psychiatric etiology.  Medical providers and researchers ask this question routinely and do so without making a pedophilia comparison.  When you made the pedophilia comparison is when you crossed the slippery slope threshold.

Quote:Hell pat compared it to autism and no one raise an eyebrow; why was that?

Why?  Because he never made any such comparison.  Your accusation is completely false.  Mike M basically asked for the sensitivity and specificity of a DNA test for homosexuality and Pat made a facetious comment about DNA testing and autism.  The purpose of his comment wasn't to compare autism and homosexuality, but rather to indicate the ridiculous nature of Mike M's request for information regarding a test which doesn't exist.

Quote:Someone else compared it to eye color.

Again, completely false.  Mike M linked a article which suggested people "grow out" of their genes.  I didn't compare eye color or the genetics of eye color to homosexuality or the genetics of homosexuality.  The eye color comment was directed towards how people "grow out" of their genes.

WTF is you major malfunction, ghost rider?  I can't tell if you can't comprehend what you are reading or if you are intentionally making shit up.  My hypothesis is you're intentionally making shit up.  (Probably one of the rate times someone here hasn't inappropriately used theory when they actually meant hypothesis.)

[*bfine32*]

(08-25-2015, 03:39 PM)Benton Wrote: I don't disagree with that.

What I'm referring to is this discussion is years old between the same people and at some point Bfine starts bringing up pedophiles.It's irrelevant, but he brings it up anyway.

...and when the subject turns to homosexuality the same folk bring up rascism; yet somehow it becomes relevant. To suggest attraction comes from a process from within the brain is not irrelevant. Same-sex attraction is about as prevelent as peodophillia, yet it is irrelevant to compare the two because one has lost its stigma.

It simply becomes a case of you can't compare the two because one is socially shunned (here) while one is socially accepted (here). So they cannot derive from the same process.  

[*bfine32*]

(08-25-2015, 03:43 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Or do you have some undisputed proof that pedophilia is a choice?

To quote someone one this board: 'Does it matter if it is a choice or not?"

The two are often campare because they are both unusual sexual attractions. It is just this society accepts same-sex attraction while it does not accept attraction to children. It is not the same worldwide. so just because this society seperates the two does not alter the process that causes each.

[fredtoast]

(08-25-2015, 06:59 PM)bfine32 Wrote: To quote someone one this board: 'Does it matter if it is a choice or not?"

So why did you even bring it up?

[Mike M (the other one)]

(08-25-2015, 12:37 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Many people who suffer from alcoholism and obesity have a genetic predisposition to both.

Thanks for the insight.

However, that is not why they ended up obese or an alcoholic. Environmental factors/social factors played a much bigger role is them getting it.

This is what many of you keep ignoring about this whole genetic argument.

Genetic predisposition can contribute to the development of a disease, but it will not directly cause it. Some with a certain predisposing genetic variation will never get it, while others can, even inside of the same family/genetic line.

(08-25-2015, 05:46 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Why?  Because he never made any such comparison.  Your accusation is completely false.  Mike M basically asked for the sensitivity and specificity of a DNA test for homosexuality and Pat made a facetious comment about DNA testing and autism.  The purpose of his comment wasn't to compare autism and homosexuality, but rather to indicate the ridiculous nature of Mike M's request for information regarding a test which doesn't exist.

Again, completely false.  Mike M linked a article which suggested people "grow out" of their genes.  I didn't compare eye color or the genetics of eye color to homosexuality or the genetics of homosexuality.  The eye color comment was directed towards how people "grow out" of their genes.

The test is a false one from the start. You will be able to find certain markers/mutations that could contribute to it and increase the probability of someone getting a disease but:

Genetic predisposition can contribute to the development of a disease, but it will not directly cause it.

Let's not go to far off topic, but just an interesting tidbit about eye color:
A person's eye colors can change. For example, during pregnancy the pigmentation in the eyes gets darker. 15% of people report that it changes after puberty. Other things such as the food you eat, or stress can also alter your eye color. Age can also change the color of your eyes.

Genetics is nothing more than a recipe book. It gives you the recipe to create the proteins that make up the pigmentation in the eyes, and like a cook who uses the same recipe over and over again, sometimes the results might not always the same. IE Flame on oven hotter/colder, ingredients not as pure as previous time(s) etc.

But again, all of those instances are environmental factors, and not due to some hereditary genetic gene(s).

I think you get the picture, so I won't go further.

[*bfine32*]

(08-25-2015, 07:18 PM)fredtoast Wrote: So why did you even bring it up?

I didn't bring it up (choice or birth), I simply provided my opinion on the matter. I think Lucie brought it up, but I don't feel like going back through posts to verify.

[Johnny Cupcakes]

I miss BengalYankee. Right now we could be talking about how pedophiles in Saudi Arabia get treated with their preference of child bride and how THAT compares to homosexual equality in the U.S.

[BmorePat87]

(08-25-2015, 07:56 PM)Johnny Cupcakes Wrote: I miss BengalYankee.  Right now we could be talking about how pedophiles in Saudi Arabia get treated with their preference of child bride and how THAT compares to homosexual equality in the U.S.

He'd be calling us arrogant for thinking less of laws in Africa that punish gay people because it's just a different culture. 

[Johnny Cupcakes]

(08-25-2015, 08:05 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: He'd be calling us arrogant for thinking less of laws in Africa that punish gay people because it's just a different culture.