Terror in Brussels

[*bfine32*]

(03-22-2016, 11:37 AM)Vlad Wrote: Pretty quiet here on this one.

I wonder which YouTube video sparked this attack.

I for one am waiting for more details. At this time all I'll say is my prayers are with the survivours, families of the lost, and innocent people throughout the region.

It does appear they are trying to tie this to ISIS as a response to the last France Terror suspect being recently arrested.

[XenoMorph]

(03-22-2016, 07:40 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: Explosions have occurred in Brussels at the airport. Last I heard there were 23 dead, but I have seen conflicting reports. Brussels has been on high alert out of fear of retaliation for the arrest of the last suspect in the attacks on Paris.

http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-35869266

also hearing their subway (i think) was bombed

[Bengalzona]

(03-22-2016, 12:59 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I never knew that was the "refresh" hotkey.  Damn, I learned my one new thing for the month!

Yeah! Same here!

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(03-22-2016, 11:23 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: I would agree with this. This might be an ignorant question, but at what point do we join forces together with Europe and form kind of like a world wide coalition against these idiots? 

I feel like its only a matter of time before there is an attack on US soil. 

(03-22-2016, 01:00 PM)BengalHawk62 Wrote: I agree with this.  Especially the part about an attack here on US soil.  But......who would we attack?  Where? What would be different than what we are doing now?  Don't get me wrong, I'm all for sending these cowards back to their maker, but what exactly would be different than what's already happening? 

I don't exactly know gentlemen, but something needs to happen quickly.  I've tried to remain empathetic to their plight, but I'm out of patience......

[WeezyBengal]

(03-22-2016, 01:00 PM)BengalHawk62 Wrote: I agree with this.  Especially the part about an attack here on US soil.  But......who would we attack?  Where? What would be different than what we are doing now?  Don't get me wrong, I'm all for sending these cowards back to their maker, but what exactly would be different than what's already happening? 

It would be a different kind of coalition for sure. One based heavily on intel to try and search, destroy, and ruin these guy's plots against innocent people. 

[Rotobeast]

(03-22-2016, 12:59 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I never knew that was the "refresh" hotkey.  Damn, I learned my one new thing for the month!

(03-22-2016, 02:16 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: Yeah! Same here!

Noobs.....

Alt + F4 = candy

[Beaker]

There is no way to prevent terror attacks. When people are willing to die over religious difference....and laws protect human rights and freedoms...those individuals can hide behind those laws and execute their agenda as they see fit.

[BengalHawk62]

'The reality is that there are just too many soft targets in Europe and the United States to ensure complete security. It is the way our system of freedom has been built.'    taken from CNN



The attacks Tuesday morning on the airport and a subway station in Brussels were highly probable, and at the same time almost impossible to disrupt. That oxymoron is what makes this wave of terrorism the most dangerous in history, and so different from even the days of al Qaeda.

As I wrote last week, the arrest on Friday of Paris terrorism suspect Salah Abdeslam was never going to be the end of the fight. Indeed, it could possibly be the beginning of a new wave from ISIS.


Because Abdeslam was captured alive, European authorities were likely going to be able to get him to speak and perhaps reveal details about the network that had aided him in the Paris attacks last year and that let him remain in hiding for months after. And even absent any willingness to speak on his part, Belgian officials would have been more than willing to make it appear as if he were cooperating. Indeed, as early as last weekend, Belgian officials were saying that Abdeslam was "collaborating," a word that makes it sound like he was more than happy to turn over information.

<img alt="Juliette Kayyem" class="media__image" src="http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150910123520-juliette-kayyem-profile-large-169.jpg">
Juliette Kayyem
Those in his network, or those who support ISIS, were likely to feel the pressure and launch attacks if they had the opportunity. So why, many are asking, wasn't Brussels ready for another attack?
Basically, no country is ever completely ready.

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Security has three fundamental attributes in any open society: minimizing risk, maximizing defenses, and maintaining freedom. Officials minimize the risk by sharing intelligence, infiltrating terrorist groups and trying to disrupt them. They maximize defenses by deploying more police and counterterrorism officials, managing borders, and hardening targets as much as practicable.
The challenge is always the third variable. Open societies that rely on the flow of people and goods, that are plugged into the global market and engaged with the world, can't possibly harden every place where people gather. As a result, they are constantly balancing the need for counterterrorism efforts against the freedom of movement.


<img alt="Key clue in Brussels attacks: The explosives" class="media__image" src="http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/160322080345-brussels-blast-25-0322-large-169.jpg">
Explosives will be key clue in Brussels investigation
This is true even for airports, which are essentially porous until you get to the security check. They are places where people congregate; there are stores and restaurants where people meet and relax. Departure areas such as the one at Zaventem airport in Brussels are meant to allow people to move quickly so that passengers on their way to flights can check their luggage and head to security, allowing for the next batch of people.
In the United States alone, about 2 million people travel each day in and out of our airports. Our system of commerce and travel would come to a standstill if we essentially pushed out security to the highways outside an airport. The same holds for the metropolitan transit systems. Yes, they can be made safer with security checks of passengers, but a 20-minute train ride would then become an hour or more. And the public, despite the threat of attacks, would simply not tolerate this.
The focus on airplane security that we have seen since 9/11 was of course aimed at ensuring that the airplane itself was not utilized as a weapon of mass destruction. But an airport does not have the same luxury, not if countries want and need to maintain their commitment to movement. That is why the only option for Brussels right now is the exact opposite: a total shutdown of the airport. It's like an on/off switch, with little room in between.
The reality is that there are just too many soft targets in Europe and the United States to ensure complete security. It is the way our system of freedom has been built. Sadly, as the attacks Tuesday showed, that is also why it is so vulnerable.

[Bengalzona]

(03-22-2016, 02:48 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: Noobs.....

Alt + F4 = candy

Super F4, eh.

[Rotobeast]

(03-22-2016, 03:32 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: Super F4, eh.

Oh how I yearn for the days of nuking Windows 98.

LOL

[Rotobeast]

For the convo...
http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/22/flashback-brussels-ridiculed-idea-of-islamic-violence-in-ad-video/

Watch the Vid.

Brussels is the central hub of the EU, isn't it ?

[GMDino]

(03-22-2016, 02:57 PM)Beaker Wrote: There is no way to prevent terror attacks. When people are willing to die over religious difference....and laws protect human rights and freedoms...those individuals can hide behind those laws and execute their agenda as they see fit.

Well sure, but if we can't argue about which political party is at fault why be logical about it?

[Belsnickel]

(03-22-2016, 04:36 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: For the convo...
http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/22/flashback-brussels-ridiculed-idea-of-islamic-violence-in-ad-video/

Watch the Vid.

Brussels is the central hub of the EU, isn't it ?

It is the seat of the EU.

[Rotobeast]

(03-22-2016, 06:48 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: It is the seat of the EU.

Thanks

I honestly don't know a lot about the EU.

[Bengalzona]

There is an answer to these attacks in Europe. They just aren't fully ready to accept what it is going to take. Plus, it will take more time and resources than they are interested in investing in the direction, which is sad because the alternative will cost them far more.

These terrorists were most probably home-grown. And even if they weren't, they find shelter and supply centers within the Islamic communities in Brussels and other cities. Those refuges and supplies need to taken away. There are not nearly enough police in the whole EU to do this. These communities need to police themselves. And there is already a groundwork of Muslims who support this in which to build upon.

In Western Europe, Muslims predominantly live in insulated "ghettos" in main cities. These are ghettos they have created for themselves over 5 decades. And they have become increasingly insular each decade as successive generations of Muslims have rejected the society around them and have felt no need to interact with it. For the society, it has felt no need to embrace and welcome these people and has been happy to ignore them. Now, with unemployment for young Muslim men at ludicrous rates, they are susceptible to being recruited by terrorist organizations like ISIL and Al Quida.

European countries need programs to win the hearts and minds of the Muslims living there, particularly employment programs for Muslim youths. But this is also not a time when Europeans feel particularly close to the Muslims living there.

[GMDino]

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(03-22-2016, 07:49 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: There is an answer to these attacks in Europe. They just aren't fully ready to accept what it is going to take. Plus, it will take more time and resources than they are interested in investing in the direction, which is sad because the alternative will cost them far more.

These terrorists were most probably home-grown. And even if they weren't, they find shelter and supply centers within the Islamic communities in Brussels and other cities. Those refuges and supplies need to taken away. There are not nearly enough police in the whole EU to do this. These communities need to police themselves. And there is already a groundwork of Muslims who support this in which to build upon.

In Western Europe, Muslims predominantly live in insulated "ghettos" in main cities. These are ghettos they have created for themselves over 5 decades. And they have become increasingly insular each decade as successive generations of Muslims have rejected the society around them and have felt no need to interact with it. For the society, it has felt no need to embrace and welcome these people and has been happy to ignore them. Now, with unemployment for young Muslim men at ludicrous rates, they are susceptible to being recruited by terrorist organizations like ISIL and Al Quida.

European countries need programs to win the hearts and minds of the Muslims living there, particularly employment programs for Muslim youths. But this is also not a time when Europeans feel particularly close to the Muslims living there.

Are you saying these immigrants failed to assimilate and now special concessions must be made? 

[NATI BENGALS]

How long do we have to wait for Muslims to handle this problem? It wont ever be over if it is the western world that has to be responsible for eradicating these shit heads. These muslim countries need to nut up and declare war and go handle their business and not run away like the cowards they were when isil marched in to town.

[NATI BENGALS]

How long do we have to wait for Muslims to handle this problem? It wont ever be over if it is the western world that has to be responsible for eradicating these shit heads. These muslim countries need to nut up and declare war and go handle their business and not run away like the cowards they were when isil marched in to town.

[Bengalzona]

(03-22-2016, 10:28 PM). bfine32 Wrote: Are you saying these immigrants failed to assimilate and now special concessions must be made? 

I'm talking about a systemic problem with Muslim immigration into Western Europe during the past 50 years. And, yes, they did fail to integrate. This was due to their own desire to isolate, the European's willingness to accept their non-integration and the economic conditions (there were jobs for them when they came, but the jobs dried up and... "last hired, first fired").

This is the general problem. There are exceptions. There are Muslims in Europe who still buy into 'the dream'. Europeans need to work with them while also finding something constructive (like work) to occupy these young Muslims (referred to as "the Third Generation"). This would eventually ease their terrorist problem. If you want to label that as 'special concessions', so be it. Ultimately, it doesn't matter. The Europeans are less inspired to hire Muslims than ever before (that said, they also tend to look at things more openly and consider solutions such as this more than Americans would).

You could make a claim that, because immigrants have generally not assimilated into European society during the past 50 years, they should not allow more now. This is reasonable. But the problem with their assimilation is more than just a religious difference. It has as much to do with economics: they assimilate more and at a faster rate when they are employed at a higher rate and lesser when they have high unemployment.