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The Justice Department Finds 'No Responsive Records' to Support a Trump Speech
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https://www.lawfareblog.com/justice-department-finds-no-responsive-records-support-trump-speech


Quote:“According to data provided by the Department of Justice, the vast majority of individuals convicted of terrorism and terrorism-related offenses since 9/11 came here from outside of our country.”

Donald Trump, speech before a joint session of Congress, Feb. 28, 2017
 
“On June 12, 2018, you reached an agreement with [the Justice Department] to resolve certain issues in dispute in this litigation, whereby [Justice] would conduct a search for records containing data of (i) all individuals convicted of all terrorism-related offenses (domestic and international) between 2001 and the date of the initial search, or (ii) all individuals convicted of all domestic terrorism-related offenses between 2001 and the date of the initial search. . . . [N]o responsive records were located.”
Justice Department letter to Benjamin Wittes, July 24, 2018
 
It isn’t every day that the Department of Justice acknowledges formally that the president of the United States lied in a speech to Congress. But that’s how I read a letter I received a few days ago from the department’s Office of Information Policy in connection with one of my Freedom of Information Act suits against the department.

No, the Justice Department letter does not come out and say what it clearly means: that President Trump, early in his tenure, was untruthful both about the role of foreigners in terrorism and terrorism-related crimes and about Justice Department data on the subject.

But that is what the letter says if you read between the lines.

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To understand the significance of this letter, let’s go back to Trump’s first address to Congress, in February 2017. The new president made the striking claim quoted above: “According to data provided by the Department of Justice, the vast majority of individuals convicted of terrorism and terrorism-related offenses since 9/11 came here from outside of our country.”

I did not believe those words were true when Trump spoke them, for a variety of reasons. For one thing, the Justice Department does not keep data at a systematic level on where criminal defendants were born. For another thing, there are a lot of domestic terrorism cases, and they are generally not committed by people born abroad. To the extent that those cases are excluded—white supremacist violence, anti-abortion terrorism and militia violence—the inquiry is grossly biased. To the extent that such cases are included, one would have to analyze a raft of data that I didn’t know the department kept in a comprehensive fashion.

Responding to the speech, in a series of articles published on Lawfare, Nora Ellingsen and Lisa Daniels carefully evaluated the president’s claims. Examining a public list of international terrorism cases released by the Justice Department’s National Security Division (NSD), Ellingsen and Daniels concluded that it simply wasn’t accurate to say that a “vast majority” of individuals on that list “came here from outside our country”—“unless, that is, you include individuals who were forcibly brought to the United States in order to be prosecuted and exclude all domestic terrorism cases."


Ellingsen and Daniels’s analysis led me to conclude that Trump was lying about the supposedly high number of terrorism convictions involving foreign-born defendants. And just as important, he was probably also lying about whether career Justice Department officials at NSD—who are not the kind of people to distort facts for partisan ends—provided him with any data to support his claim.


So in April of last year, I filed two FOIA requests. I asked for any records supporting the president’s claim before Congress, along with any records “relating to the nationality or country of origin of individuals convicted of terrorism-related offenses”; correspondence between the Justice Department and the White House related to that data; and correspondence related to preparation for and reaction to the February 2017 joint address. When the department did not respond, I filed a lawsuit.


In February of this year, I received 57 pages of material from the National Security Division in response to the request—specifically, the portion of the lawsuit concerning communications within and originating from NSD.
From the documents, Ellingsen and I were able to reconstruct a partial picture of the origins of the president’s spurious claim. To boil it down, NSD had provided data on international terrorism prosecutions only, not domestic ones. Both NSD and the FBI emphasized the limitations of this data. The Justice Department explicitly warned the White House that the data did not “include convictions related solely to domestic terrorism.” And the FBI noted that “database checks are limited in their ability to accurately identify a date/place of birth.”


In other words, having been advised that the dataset contained critical omissions, that data about naturalized citizens probably contained “gaps or errors,” and that the data dealt only with international terrorism cases—not domestic ones—the president and his administration nonetheless crafted the misleading statement that appeared in his first address to Congress. What’s more, in January of this year, the president again mischaracterized the data in a tweet promoting a report by the Justice Department and the Department of Homeland Security:


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@realDonaldTrump

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New report from DOJ & DHS shows that nearly 3 in 4 individuals convicted of terrorism-related charges are foreign-born. We have submitted to Congress a list of resources and reforms....

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Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump


....we need to keep America safe, including moving away from a random chain migration and lottery system, to one that is merit-based. https://www.dhs.gov/publication/executive-order-13780-protecting-nation-foreign-terrorist-entry-united-states-initial …
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Executive Order 13780: Protecting the Nation From Foreign Terrorist Entry Into the United States...
On March 6, 2017, President Donald J. Trump issued Executive Order 13780, Protecting the Nation from Foreign Terrorist Entry into the United States, which declared that “it is the policy of the...
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But the material we received in February included only NSD records. It did not include material from the rest of the department. What if, say, someone in the attorney general’s office had other data? NSD, after all, doesn’t handle domestic terrorism matters. Perhaps someone elsewhere had assembled the domestic terrorism data and data about all terrorism cases and it was that dataset that supported the president’s words.

That brings me to the letter I received a few days ago.


A number of weeks ago, the Justice Department and my lawyers—Larry Schwartztol and Justin Florence of Protect Democracy—agreed to simplify the remaining searches to facilitate resolution of the case. The offices of the attorney general, the deputy attorney general, legislative affairs and public affairs would each conduct a search “for records containing data of (i) all individuals convicted of all terrorism-related offenses (domestic and international) between 2001 and the date of the initial search, or (ii) all individuals convicted of all domestic terrorism-related offenses between 2001 and the date of the initial search.” Presumably, if the Justice Department had provided the White House with data to support the president’s claims, the request would have gone through the department’s top brass. If there was some data “provided by the Department of Justice” to the White House showing that “the vast majority of individuals convicted [in all] terrorism and terrorism-related offenses since 9/11”—including domestic terrorism cases—“came here from outside of our country,” there would be some record of it either in the attorney general’s office or the deputy attorney general’s office.

I was confident the search would produce no responsive documents. And it, in fact, produced none.

Because what the president of the United States said before a joint session of Congress was not true. It wasn’t true about immigrants and terrorism. And neither was it true about the Justice Department.
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I can't believe that Trump would outright lie to Congress and the American people. This is just a shocking revelation.
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(08-01-2018, 01:42 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I can't believe that Trump would outright lie to Congress and the American people. This is just a shocking revelation.

Aye.

Well, unless you are a Trump defender/supporter.  Then he didn't lie and this is all fake news.   Cool
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(08-01-2018, 01:50 PM)GMDino Wrote: Aye.

Well, unless you are a Trump defender/supporter.  Then he didn't lie and this is all fake news.   Cool

Obviously this is just another mainstream media conspiracy where they are showing their bias. They should just report the facts and not provide any analysis or judgement [unless it agrees with my worldview].
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(08-01-2018, 01:56 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Obviously this is just another mainstream media conspiracy where they are showing their bias. They should just report the facts and not provide any analysis or judgement [unless it agrees with my worldview].

And I think large crowds should stand and yell at them because they obviously fake.

Trump is the only truth they need.
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I read the article, but I sort of skimmed some so maybe I missed it or they don’t know the exact numbers, but what are the numbers?
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So honest question, but is this whole "The president is right and everyone who disagrees is wrong" mentality going to continue when a democrat probably gets elected in 2-6 years?

(08-01-2018, 03:42 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I read the article, but I sort of skimmed some so maybe I missed it or they don’t know the exact numbers, but what are the numbers?

Who cares what the exact numbers are?
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(08-01-2018, 03:42 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I read the article, but I sort of skimmed some so maybe I missed it or they don’t know the exact numbers, but what are the numbers?

They don't know because the DoJ couldn't provide the numbers. The report Trump based his claim on does not exist. He made it up.
"A great democracy has got to be progressive, or it will soon cease to be either great or a democracy..." - TR

"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." - FDR
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(08-01-2018, 03:51 PM)Nately120 Wrote: So honest question, but is this whole "The president is right and everyone who disagrees is wrong" mentality going to continue when a democrat probably gets elected in 2-6 years?


Who cares what the exact numbers are?

Well it was everyone who disagrees is a racist so we will see what the next incarnation is.
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(08-01-2018, 03:55 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: They don't know because the DoJ couldn't provide the numbers. The report Trump based his claim on does not exist. He made it up.

How is it we don’t know something like that? That seems a bit inconceivable.
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(08-01-2018, 04:27 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Well it was everyone who disagrees is a racist so we will see what the next incarnation is.

Do people still care about being called racist?
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(08-01-2018, 04:33 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Do people still care about being called racist?

Yes, because the preferred term is "white separatist" and they're "very fine people".
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(08-01-2018, 04:40 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Yes, because the preferred term is "white separatist" and they're "very fine people".

I assumed racist was covered under the proud deplorable umbrella. 
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(08-01-2018, 04:28 PM)michaelsean Wrote: How is it we don’t know something like that? That seems a bit inconceivable.

You would be surprised at how terrible our government is at data collection.
"A great democracy has got to be progressive, or it will soon cease to be either great or a democracy..." - TR

"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." - FDR
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(08-01-2018, 04:41 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: You would be surprised at how terrible our government is at data collection.


I'd bet that's often quite intentional, to boot.
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(08-01-2018, 04:46 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I'd bet that's often quite intentional, to boot.

A good bit of it is, though not always with nefarious intentions. Sometimes it is intentional out of concern for rights/liberties violations, which I completely understand. Sometimes, though, it is to create plausible deniability.
"A great democracy has got to be progressive, or it will soon cease to be either great or a democracy..." - TR

"The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." - FDR





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