DOJ investigating Harvard racist admissions policy

[Vlad]

....Flores said the department was looking for lawyers to investigate a 2015 complaint filed with the Department of Education over Harvard University's race-based quota system. The complaint alleges the Ivy-League school requires Asian students to have SAT scores 140 points higher than white students, 270 points higher than Hispanics and 450 points higher than black students.

So, from top to bottom the most intelligent to the least intelligent according to Harvard:
Asians
Whites
Hispanics
Blacks

Plus the fact the NY Times lied on its reporting of this.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/02/justice-department-reportedly-going-after-affirmative-action-programs.html

[GMDino]

Harvard (and Ivy League schools in general) are overrated and anyone fighting to get in there deserves what they get.  Spots go to the highest bidder usually anyway.

[Dill]

(08-04-2017, 09:17 AM)Vlad Wrote: ....Flores said the department was looking for lawyers to investigate a 2015 complaint filed with the Department of Education over Harvard University's race-based quota system. The complaint alleges the Ivy-League school requires Asian students to have SAT scores 140 points higher than white students, 270 points higher than Hispanics and 450 points higher than black students.

So, from top to bottom the most intelligent to the least intelligent according to Harvard:
Asians
Whites
Hispanics
Blacks

Plus the fact the NY Times lied on its reporting of this.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/08/02/justice-department-reportedly-going-after-affirmative-action-programs.html

I didn't see any "lies" in the link you provided. Just some questionable DOJ pushback. But it appears they are doing what the Times said they are doing.

Also, You have no evidence upon which to base your claim that Harvard use race to rank to applicant's intelligence. At best you can find evidence for "opportunity" rankings, with some groups privileged over others, all else being equal.

For future reference, you might remember that leftists and liberals contest the notion racial differences in intelligence. Race-based intelligence rankings are produced by rightists.  

[Dill]

(08-04-2017, 09:19 AM)GMDino Wrote: Harvard (and Ivy League schools in general) are overrated and anyone fighting to get in there deserves what they get.  Spots go to the highest bidder usually anyway.

What they will get with Ivy League degrees is a place at the head of the line for employment or graduate study.

[ballsofsteel]

(08-04-2017, 04:56 PM)Dill Wrote: I didn't see any "lies" in the link you provided. Just some questionable DOJ pushback. But it appears they are doing what the Times said they are doing.

Also, You have no evidence upon which to base your claim that Harvard use race to rank to applicant's intelligence. At best you can find evidence for "opportunity" rankings, with some groups privileged over others, all else being equal.

For future reference, you might remember that leftists and liberals contest the notion racial differences in intelligence. Race-based intelligence rankings are produced by rightists.  

IE, FAKE NEWS

[Vlad]

(08-04-2017, 04:56 PM)Dill Wrote: I didn't see any "lies" in the link you provided. Just some questionable DOJ pushback. But it appears they are doing what the Times said they are doing.

Also, You have no evidence upon which to base your claim that Harvard use race to rank to applicant's intelligence. At best you can find evidence for "opportunity" rankings, with some groups privileged over others, all else being equal.


Why are Asians so smart?
https://blogs.psychcentral.com/psychoanalysis-now/2016/07/what-makes-asians-so-smart/


For future reference, you might remember that leftists and liberals contest the notion racial differences in intelligence. Race-based intelligence rankings are produced by rightists.  

Being that you folks have been using the word "lying" so freely, I'd never thought you'd notice.
True, the Times didn't lie, rather they were inaccurate....same can be said about your president.

Of course I can't prove that Harvard uses race to rank intelligence, but I certainly can call it preponderance of the evidence.

For future reference keep in mind that there have been many studies linking race to intelligence levels that can't be
pinned on "rightists".

Well well lookie here, speaking of preponderance of the evidence...a dissertation study on race and IQ gets earns this Phd his degree from where else but... Harvard!
https://thinkprogress.org/the-inside-story-of-the-harvard-dissertation-that-became-too-racist-for-heritage-3a14238f662e/

Why are Asians so smart?
https://blogs.psychcentral.com/psychoanalysis-now/2016/07/what-makes-asians-so-smart/

"Opportunity rankings" you say?  Based on leftist rhetoric shouldn't it be white applicants at the very top of Harvards racist list?  

[NATI BENGALS]

Race should not be considered at all for college applicants.

Still dont know why this is a thing.

You are either smart or not idgaf what color you are.

[Belsnickel]

(08-04-2017, 10:43 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Race should not be considered at all for college applicants.

Still dont know why this is a thing.

You are either smart or not idgaf what color you are.

There have been studies that have shown that diversity is a valuable asset in an educational setting. Unfortunately, without programs to actively seek out a diverse student body we end up with a very white washed group of students. There are still barriers to entry for many minority students that go beyond just how smart they are. After all, this isn't just about intelligence when it comes to college admissions, they look at a lot of other factors and some of those put students of minority groups at a disadvantage. Then there is somewhat of an inherent bias that people have. It'a not active, it's not conscious, but it happens. This is why affirmative action programs have been pushed for and have proven to have a positive effect on the student bodies and cause positive externalities.

Now, a couple of things. Using race as a primary qualifier or setting quotas have both been deemed unconstitutional. If you have two students with equal or similar qualifications, and one is a minority and one is not, the minority will get the spot. That's the way most of these programs work. I know it's contrary to what a lot of the reporting on the topic says it is, but most of it is used to create fear among white people that they are being oppressed by a growing set of minority groups.

Now, I will address the comment that was made previously about higher standards for Asian admissions. Asian students have a higher rate enrollment in higher education than their proportion of the population. An ideal situation is for a university to be a microcosm of the wider community and having demographic proportions that mirror the community. Now, raising or lowering standards for a particular race is not right, and is technically illegal, so that shouldn't be. But this is just an explanation as to why there may be a higher standard for Asian students over other minorities.

[Dill]

(08-04-2017, 09:35 PM)Vlad Wrote: Being that you folks have been using the word "lying" so freely, I'd never thought you'd notice.
True, the Times didn't lie, rather they were inaccurate....same can be said about your president.

Of course I can't prove that Harvard uses race to rank intelligence, but I certainly can call it preponderance of the evidence.

For future reference keep in mind that there have been many studies linking race to intelligence levels that can't be
pinned on "rightists".

Well well lookie here, speaking of preponderance of the evidence...a dissertation study on race and IQ gets earns this Phd his degree from where else but... Harvard!
https://thinkprogress.org/the-inside-story-of-the-harvard-dissertation-that-became-too-racist-for-heritage-3a14238f662e/

Why are Asians so smart?
https://blogs.psychcentral.com/psychoanalysis-now/2016/07/what-makes-asians-so-smart/

"Opportunity rankings" you say?  Based on leftist rhetoric shouldn't it be white applicants at the very top of Harvards racist list?  

"My" president displayed none of the pathologies "yours" does, especially the daily lying.

Of course you cannot prove Harvard uses race to rank intelligence; you cannot even show there is a "preponderance of evidence" they do. But you'll speak of "racists lists" anyway. Because you do not adhere to (or perhaps do not understand) the professional standards of observation and reporting you demand of the MSM.

Harvard allows right wing applicants into its programs (especially law) so yes, some guy wrote a racist dissertation which became a problem when he went to work for the Heritage foundation.  Can it be that you really think one outlier dissertation in one department creates a "preponderance" of evidence that Harvard ranks students according to race? You perhaps did not understand that views expressed in a student dissertation does not represent university policy?

Hard to know what you mean by "leftist rhetoric" when conclude from it that white applicants should be at the top of some "racist list."  Leftists have always opposed racial rankings of people. Rightists support it. Still, as your own link above shows.