The National Review defends Bernie on rape essay

[BmorePat87]

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/419002/lets-not-crucify-bernie-sanders-his-sexual-fantasies-essay-charles-c-w-cooke

A lot of good points on how a republican would be treated if this were Cruz or Perry or whoever that is wrote this.

Ultimately the author says to not judge Bernie on an essay he wrote as a young man but rather on his current politics.

[Yojimbo]

I think it's different when you're talking sexual fantasies versus "the body has a way of shutting that down" to accuse women that want to abort a pregnancy from a rape, as liars. Also, the argument of a woman asking to be raped because of the way she dresses.

I'm sure there are statistics in the Kinsey report that coraborate that some men fantasize about raping a woman and some women fantasize about being raped. That doesn't mean they want it to happen in real life.

I just read an article that videos searched by women on pornhub were bdsm, gang bang and forced sex all in the top 5.

If this same essay were written by a republican, I wouldn't treat it or them any differently. Writing about fantasy is completely different than basing policy on what you believe, even if it's not backed up by facts, which is where the past statements of some people have gotten them in trouble.

[Nebuchadnezzar]

There will be some on the right who will try to crucify Sanders for this. Hannity, that blond lady with the bulging Adams Apple who looks like a man and Rush will be on this way to much, I garentee it. This is exactly what the left needed right now, to take heat off Clinton for a little bit and let her get off the ropes.

[Ben Richards]

This article was written 40 years ago. Bernie Sanders is old, but he is the ONLY candidate worthy of running v Hillary.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtBVuye4fZQ

[xxlt]

(05-29-2015, 08:47 AM)Ben Richards Wrote: This article was written 40 years ago.  Bernie Sanders is old, but he is the ONLY candidate worthy.

Fixed it.

[Ben Richards]

(05-29-2015, 09:24 AM)xxlt Wrote: Fixed it.

I agree with your correction to my post.  

[*michaelsean*]

There was no haircut involved was there?

[GMDino]

(05-29-2015, 11:17 AM)michaelsean Wrote: There was no haircut involved was there?

I don't believe he held down any women as part of a "prank".  No.

[*bfine32*]

I'm sure nobody on here would have a single word to say if a conservative had written a paper stating women fantasize about being raped and men become sexually aroused when thinking of abusing women.

[xxlt]

Two things: first, as someone pointed out, his comments about fantasy are not factually incorrect, in spite of the National Review "challenging" them. This "challenge" is what passes for journalism in the U.S. these days. A few lines are lifted out of context and the NR says, "well, where did he get his facts from?" while providing no facts of its own. And second, the NR piece comes off as a bit of a "I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him" ploy. The NR would really hate to see Sanders smeared over something (which NR suggests is controversial, while providing no evidence it is or was) he wrote a long time ago (but they cherry pick the essay for the most inflammatory thing they can find and highlight it with no context). Yeah, they would really hate to see this used against Sanders. You bet they would! Way to take the high road, NR!

[Belsnickel]

(05-30-2015, 01:10 PM)xxlt Wrote: Two things: first, as someone pointed out, his comments about fantasy are not factually incorrect, in spite of the National Review "challenging" them.

Yeah, that is why I don't get this is a big deal. Neither is an uncommon fantasy. it comes from a more primal part of our minds. A part of living in civilized society is that we don't act on these things for the male side, and for the female side it is a matter of personal freedom having become so important to us that an actual rape scenario is a big deal. But as for the fantasy, not uncommon.

[GMDino]

(05-30-2015, 12:50 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I'm sure nobody on here would have a single word to say if a conservative had written a paper stating women fantasize about being raped and men become sexually aroused when thinking of abusing women.

Never happen.

All conservatives know women don't want raped...but their bodies can reject the rapist sperm and even if she DID get pregnant it would just be a gift from god.

Right?

[*bfine32*]

(05-30-2015, 02:10 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Yeah, that is why I don't get this is a big deal. Neither is an uncommon fantasy. it comes from a more primal part of our minds. A part of living in civilized society is that we don't act on these things for the male side, and for the female side it is a matter of personal freedom having become so important to us that an actual rape scenario is a big deal. But as for the fantasy, not uncommon.

I must be uncommon as I have never become sexually aroused over the thought of abusing a woman. However, I have learned that I often go against the norm around here.

[Belsnickel]

(05-30-2015, 02:15 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I must be uncommon as I have never become sexually aroused over the thought of abusing a woman. However, I have learned that I often go against the norm around here.

I never have either, and my wife has never had rape fantasies. I'm just saying that it is not an uncommon thing to occur. I don't know how common it actually is for these fantasies to be had, I just know it is not a rarity.

[RICHMONDBENGAL_07]

(05-30-2015, 02:15 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I must be uncommon as I have never become sexually aroused over the thought of abusing a woman. However, I have learned that I often go against the norm around here.

It's not about "abusing women".  In this world of BDSM, it's about power and control and it's all consensual.  And a lot of times it is the female is the dominant and the male is submissive.  No one is advocating rape or abusing woman.

[*bfine32*]

(05-30-2015, 02:21 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I never have either, and my wife has never had rape fantasies. I'm just saying that it is not an uncommon thing to occur. I don't know how common it actually is for these fantasies to be had, I just know it is not a rarity.

Let's see how common it is.

Anyone that has became sexually aroused by thinking about abusing a woman please state so.

We should get at least a handful here.

[*bfine32*]

(05-30-2015, 02:22 PM)RICHMONDBENGAL_07 Wrote: It's not about "abusing women".  In this world of BDSM, it's about power and control and it's all consensual.  And a lot of times it is the female is the dominant and the male is submissive.  No one is advocating rape or abusing woman.

Did you not read his exact words:

Quote:“A man goes home and masturbates his typical fantasy,” wrote Sanders. “A woman on her knees. A woman tied up. A woman abused.”

How can that possibly not be about "abusing women"?

[Belsnickel]

I came across this while trying to find a full copy of the essay in question: http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/28/politics/bernie-sanders-rape-essay-1972/index.html

It should also be noted that his political efforts in the realm of sexual and domestic abuse has been rather liberal over the years, meaning if you are left-leaning you would be very pleased with his positions.

[Belsnickel]

(05-30-2015, 02:25 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Let's see how common it is.

Anyone that has became sexually aroused by thinking about abusing a woman please state so.

We should get at least a handful here.

Not abused, but one her knees and/or tied up? Yep. A little bondage is a good time.

[RICHMONDBENGAL_07]

(05-30-2015, 02:28 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Did you not read his exact words:




How can that possibly not be about "abusing women"?

Context is everything my friend,  I suggest reading the article in it's entirety.