The big "C" word

[*bfine32*]

(11-09-2020, 11:51 PM)Benton Wrote: Did graham say he would give half a million to trump suing? 

He did.

Is that within established laws?

[*michaelsean*]

(11-09-2020, 11:51 PM)Benton Wrote: Did graham say he would give half a million to trump suing? 

I think suing fits under established laws.

[Benton]

(11-09-2020, 11:13 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: No, I'm saying the conclusions derived from those actions is heavily biased in this instance.  He's got a vested interest in keeping people whipped into a frenzy on this issue because the next four years will see their already lackluster performance go further south.  I've stated my opinion that a coup, or anything resembling one, is an utterly remote possibility.

(11-09-2020, 11:14 PM)michaelsean Wrote: What exactly is he reporting?  He’s making shit up. As SSF said, it would really depend on the country. Venezuela or England. Two completely different nations.

Eh the post came off as more 'its the source not the news'.

Which is a common trope we've heard for four years.

"Sure, trump said that, but it's from cnn, soooooo... That's obviously not what he meant. It's just what he said."

[Benton]

(11-09-2020, 11:55 PM)bfine32 Wrote: He did.

Is that within established laws?

You support needless litigation?

[GMDino]

(11-09-2020, 10:05 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: So, personally, I'm of the opinion that if we saw another branch, i.e. SCOTUS or Senate, assist in keeping him in office it would be coup territory. The military doesn't need to be involved for a coup to occur, and I don't think they would in any case. Now, would the CIA be watching what was going on very closely if they saw this going on in another western nation? Abso-frickin-lutely. But we haven't quite jumped the shark, yet.

Well we have Barr now getting involved so there's that.

[*bfine32*]

(11-09-2020, 11:57 PM)Benton Wrote: You support needless litigation?

I answered your question.

Do you want to return the courtesy?

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(11-09-2020, 11:55 PM)Benton Wrote: Eh the post came off as more 'its the source not the news'.

Which is a common trope we've heard for four years.

"Sure, trump said that, but it's from cnn, soooooo... That's obviously not what he meant. It's just what he said."

Sorry, Benton, no.  You're a solid poster, but this is not like that at all.  This is a person giving their interpretation of events and statement.  This is not just reporting of words actually spoke or deeds actually done.  It's wholly subjective, hence my scrutiny of the source and their motives is appropriate.


If I do say so myself.  

[Benton]

(11-10-2020, 12:00 AM)bfine32 Wrote: I answered your question.

Do you want to return the courtesy?

You didn't respond to the question about needless litigation, but to answer yours: no idea.

I'm not an attorney.

[*bfine32*]

(11-10-2020, 12:05 AM)Benton Wrote: You didn't respond to the question about needless litigation, but to answer yours: no idea.

I'm not an attorney.

If you're not an attorney how do you know the litigation is needless?

[Benton]

(11-10-2020, 12:04 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Sorry, Benton, no.  You're a solid poster, but this is not like that at all.  This is a person giving their interpretation of events and statement.  This is not just reporting of words actually spoke or deeds actually done.  It's wholly subjective, hence my scrutiny of the source and their motives is appropriate.


If I do say so myself.  

Understood. My point is that if it came from another source, it might be viewed differently.

[Benton]

(11-10-2020, 12:08 AM)bfine32 Wrote: If you're not an attorney how do you know the litigation is needless?

What  bar affirmed your opinion that it was within established law?

[GMDino]

Trump can't afford the litigation.  He can't even afford the recount.

[*bfine32*]

(11-10-2020, 12:10 AM)Benton Wrote: What  bar affirmed your opinion that it was within established law?

The same one that affirmed you posting it as outside of established laws. 

This is not even fun anymore. It's pitiful. 

[*bfine32*]

Also,

Why is the thread sticky?

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(11-10-2020, 12:08 AM)Benton Wrote: Understood. My point is that if it came from another source, it might be viewed differently.

A more moderate source, absolutely.  Also, I think that's usually the case for most people.

(11-10-2020, 12:21 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Also,

Why is the thread sticky?

I was just wondering the same thing. 

[Benton]

(11-10-2020, 12:15 AM)bfine32 Wrote: The same one that affirmed you posting it as outside of established laws. 

This is not even fun anymore. It's pitiful. 

Agreed.

(11-10-2020, 12:21 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Also,

Why is the thread sticky?

(11-10-2020, 12:33 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: A more moderate source, absolutely.  Also, I think that's usually the case for most people.


I was just wondering the same thing. 

To the sticky, probably my fault with hotkeys. 

[Belsnickel]

(11-09-2020, 10:44 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I'd have to say consider the source. Ezra Klein cofounded the uber dogshit far left site Vox. He has a vested interest in making this point and whipping up fear in this regard. While I understand the point you are trying to make I'd say the odds of something happening like Klein is describing is less than .05%. If this was happening in Germany or the UK we would not have the same concerns as we would if it was happening in Afghanistan or Bolivia.

Which is why I framed the discussion as I did; just as a jumping off point to talk about where we think that line would be for coup territory. The thread is about discussing opinions.

[*Nately120*]

Coup coup ka choo Mrs Robinson.

I think Trump and his most ardent supporters defect before they fight n die.  People talk a good game but when it comes time to get shot at they tend to balk. If there is enough interest they could establish the Trump's as a ruling family somewhere outside of the USA and leave this corrupt republic for the rest of us. 

At any rate, Trump getting elected in the first place was coup enough.

[CJD]

I'm going to take the wait and see approach.

Like, let's wait until all his lawsuits are thrown out (which they will be, some already have been) and then we can re-evaluate how much damage he can do to the democratic process and transition to a new president.

I give it a 95% chance that these lawsuits fail, we get another metric ton of whiny tweets, there will be rumors that he will "refuse to leave" on January 20th, and then, when January 20th finally comes around he either leaves with no fanfare (maybe over night) or, worst case, he is escorted out by secret service with him whining and eventually tweeting about how this is no way to treat a president and the media (by which he means the secret service) treats him very unfairly.

Now, the 5% is where we need to start to worry but I can't really speak to that until I see just how far Trump is willing to take this little charade of his.

[*Nately120*]

It is a wait and see sort of thing. He will always have his ulta-supporters, but right now the political and more casual support of him is a present thing. He's still the president, his lawsuits are empty but they haven't fully been thrown out yet, and emotions are still running high as his supporters are still in the disbelief stage of coping.

Once he's out of the office and Biden is in there doing president stuff and Trump is relegated to angry tweets and appearing on the most fringe of networks I think we will see his support become more and more of a niche thing. Never say never with Trump, but the idea of him making a political bid in 2024 while, by that point, having spent 8 years claiming US elections are a corrupt farce just seems even less plausible than anything else that has already happened.

2016 primaries - fraudulent
2016 election - fraudulent
2018 midterms - fraudulent
2020 election - fraudulent
2022 midterms - ????
2024 primaries - ????
2024 election - ????

Spot the pattern? All I can do is toss hypotheticals out there, but right now Trump is still the president so I can see why republicans aren't jumping to throw dirt on his grave.