The right's obsession with AOC

[NATI BENGALS]

(02-18-2019, 11:06 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: That’s the worst photoshop job I’ve ever seen. The farting fire should have given it away...

I’ve also seen the original year ago.

Isnt that Pelosi?

[*michaelsean*]

(02-18-2019, 10:25 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: She's now claiming that it's not her, but you can find it on this link.

https://leadstories.com/aocfartfake.jpg

She say's it's not her, looks fairly convincing.  You be the judge.

Is that 43 in the background sneaking a peak?

[CJD]

I think the Republicans are doing to AOC exactly what the Democrats did to Trump in the 2016 election.

Free publicity.

Raising the profile of a relative extremist via outrage or mockery.

I honestly don't know if I would have heard of (and subsequently fell in love with) AOC the way I have if the Republicans weren't so obsessed with her.

She's effectively become the snap back queen much like Trump is the nick name king.

[*bfine32*]

(02-18-2019, 11:25 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Isnt that Pelosi?

The missed funny thing is Jr. looking at it in the background. I'd like to discuss this with you more but I just met a couple chicks on the beach:

[Belsnickel]

(02-18-2019, 10:33 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I noticed you skipped over his trying to pack the SCOTUS.

I was including that in the flaws I mentioned.

(02-18-2019, 10:33 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Whether we had a 90% tax rate before or not, it's a radical idea now.

Why?

(02-18-2019, 10:33 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: The work thing is from her FAQ that she then had people in her office lie about and subsequently had removed.

What did it say, exactly?

(02-18-2019, 10:33 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Eliminating ICE isn't going back to the way it was before, it's ending immigration enforcement.

No, it isn't. That's the conservative/GOP talking point about it, but that's not what the movement is about. It's about enforcing immigration laws in a humane way that doesn't involve federal overreach. When you listen to or read past the #AbolishICE hashtag there are nuances that aren't being seen by many people.

(02-18-2019, 10:33 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Rebuilding every building is straight from her "Green Deal".

I really don't remember seeing this. But I also have a lot of problems with that document so I read it with a very snarky attitude that caused me to not take much of it seriously.

Edit: I think I see what it is you are referring to, and that's a gross mischaracterization of that point in the resolution. What that point is saying is that "upgrading all existing buildings in the United States and building new buildings to achieve maximal energy efficiency, water efficiency, safety, affordability, comfort, and durability, including through electrification" is a goal of the Green New Deal. Will that be paid for with government funds? That's not stated there. If you take the whole document in context you can see that a goal like this could be worked towards by training/education and maybe tax breaks for certain projects taken on, incentivizing owners to make the upgrades.

There is a lot of pie-in-the-sky ideas in the document that make it unrealistic, and yes, the broadness of the resolution leaves it open to (mis)interpretation, but your critique here is not valid.

(02-18-2019, 10:33 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: As for FDR, yes some of his ideas were radical at the time and no longer are.  Some of them were radical for the time and still are.  He was, overall a good POTUS and certainly the right person for the job at the time.  However, that's not really the point here, is it?  It's your attempted comparison between FDR and AOC.  The first was a dedicated, intelligent, public servant, the other is an ex-bartender who isn't smart by any definition of the word.  Enjoy this cringe inducing clip.

I'm not comparing AOC to FDR, I'm saying the ideas she is pulling out come from the FDR playbook. The same can be said for the majority of the progressive movement, the radical left, the leftists, whatever you want to call the movement trying to pull the Democratic party back to those ideals. I think a lot of those ideas seem radical to people in the US now because the US is more conservative than any other WEIRD nation, and it shows in our education, our life expectancy, our socioeconomic inequality, and other measures.

[GMDino]

(02-18-2019, 08:32 PM)bfine32 Wrote: No doubt. Just look how many threads the right has made about AOC in this very forum

The world exists outside this forum.  

(02-18-2019, 08:40 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Heck, I saw more than that of her, this weekend.  There was a photo, from her bartending days floating around on social media.  She was giving the world a beaver shot.  She had some scanty shorts on, but you could definitely tell that her carpet matches her drapes..

By now I'm sure you know it was fake...I hope.

(02-18-2019, 08:53 PM)michaelsean Wrote: They lobbed a softball and the Republicans will try to hit it out of the park. The right didn’t elevate her as the face of the future and give her national airtime.  And it won’t be the right that knocks her down, but the leaders of her party. They don’t seem particularly thrilled with the Amazon pullout.

And while the author claims the right is afraid of her, I would say it’s the mainstream Dems who don’t want her to be seen as representative of them. Were Dems scared of Palin or thrilled?

GOP grabbed the low hanging fruit and didn't realize she was smart enough to use social media against them.  The right may not be "afraid" but they don't like anyone who challenges them that much.

(02-18-2019, 08:54 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I prefer hardwood floors.  Maybe a small throw rug.

But who the hell has a picture like that sitting around?  I assume she wasn’t famous at the time.

Also assume it was fake.

(02-18-2019, 09:39 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Dude, crushing it today.  This is entirely spot on.  The GOP is using AOC to undermine the Dems.  As I said in the other thread, that apparently prompted GM to make this one, this is smart politics on their part.  AOC is radical, her ideas are far fetched to unworkable, she clearly likes being in the spotlight and she's not very smart.  Painting her as the face of the Democratic party is a big a win for them as saying Palin was "one heartbeat away from the Presidency" if McCain had won was for the Dems.

Except AOC is a freshman...not even old enough to run for President.  And (so far) she hasn't quit a job just to work in the media (like Palin).  

Maybe she needs longer than a couple months before the "right" convinces you that she's a moron/failure?  Especially when they have to defend Trump's actions/statements on a daily basis two plus years in?  

(02-18-2019, 11:06 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: That’s the worst photoshop job I’ve ever seen. The farting fire should have given it away...

I’ve also seen the original year ago.

Indeed...but the "right" also had a conniption over a video of her dancing!  The horror!  

Can you imagine if the "left" tried to post a picture of FLOTUS nude?!?!  

(02-18-2019, 11:09 PM)bfine32 Wrote: For real; that's the worst photoshop you've ever seen? I've seen much worse. 

In Port St. Lucie? 

(02-18-2019, 11:30 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: I think the Republicans are doing to AOC exactly what the Democrats did to Trump in the 2016 election.

Free publicity.

Raising the profile of a relative extremist via outrage or mockery.

I honestly don't know if I would have heard of (and subsequently fell in love with) AOC the way I have if the Republicans weren't so obsessed with her.

She's effectively become the snap back queen much like Trump is the nick name king.

Yep.  She's young and female so she's the perfect one for the GOP to "go after".  And all it's done is elevate her.  

Will she make mistakes?  Of course.  Are her plans perfect right out of the box?  Of course not. She is young and learning and may never accomplish anything for all we know.  But the "right" is trying to latch on to anything to distract from their own leader (DJT) who is 70 and still doesn't know anything about government and seem incapable of getting anything done also.

[*michaelsean*]

(02-19-2019, 10:10 AM)GMDino Wrote: The world exists outside this forum.  


By now I'm sure you know it was fake...I hope.


GOP grabbed the low hanging fruit and didn't realize she was smart enough to use social media against them.  The right may not be "afraid" but they don't like anyone who challenges them that much.




Also assume it was fake.


Except AOC is a freshman...not even old enough to run for President.  And (so far) she hasn't quit a job just to work in the media (like Palin).  

Maybe she needs longer than a couple months before the "right" convinces you that she's a moron/failure?  Especially when they have to defend Trump's actions/statements on a daily basis two plus years in?  


Indeed...but the "right" also had a conniption over a video of her dancing!  The horror!  

Can you imagine if the "left" tried to post a picture of FLOTUS nude?!?!  


In Port St. Lucie? 


Yep.  She's young and female so she's the perfect one for the GOP to "go after".  And all it's done is elevate her.  

Will she make mistakes?  Of course.  Are her plans perfect right out of the box?  Of course not. She is young and learning and may never accomplish anything for all we know.  But the "right" is trying to latch on to anything to distract from their own leader (DJT) who is 70 and still doesn't know anything about government and seem incapable of getting anything done also.

They didn't just randomly pick some young Latino woman to go after.  She was catapulted to the front page, and they took advantage of it by painting her as the face of the Democrat Party. The left and the media created her, and are now, "What's with the obsession!!!"

 It's not the right who is going to hamstring her, but her own party.  Do you think they enjoyed watching her brag about keeping 25,000 jobs out of her district?  She's waiting on jobs with dignity or some such nonsense?  And really you have to look at jobs that are created due to the headquarters being located there.  Personally I don't like these deals because I think it's unfair to other businesses who don't get the breaks, but if you are a populist, what the hell are you thinking?

[Benton]

(02-19-2019, 10:27 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Personally I don't like these deals because I think it's unfair to other businesses who don't get the breaks, but if you are a populist, what the hell are you thinking?

... That they're waiting on businesses that don't get the tax breaks? Small businesses, small employers... the middle class that's getting left behind every time a state or federal government throws millions of tax dollars at a company that, in turn, puts a chunk of that money into tax shelters and takes it out of communities?

[*michaelsean*]

(02-19-2019, 10:31 AM)Benton Wrote: ... That they're waiting on businesses that don't get the tax breaks? Small businesses, small employers... the middle class that's getting left behind every time a state or federal government throws millions of tax dollars at a company that, in turn, puts a chunk of that money into tax shelters and takes it out of communities?

OK well good luck with that.  I'm sure all the small businesses around there are thrilled that they just lost 25,000 new potential customers.  

I have a philosophical disagreement with tax breaks for one company while the others don't get any, but it would probably be pretty stupid to govern that way based on reality.  Sometimes you swallow your ideology. 

Edit: People act like this is Walmart coming in to shutdown mom and pop stores. This is a headquarters.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(02-18-2019, 07:16 PM)fredtoast Wrote: She is the "Sarah Palin" from the left.  Maybe not as dense, but she is an attractive women with extreme positions on issues.  We will be seeing her face a lot.

Via an absurd number of spoofs on Pornhub?

Only logical conclusion to take from that combination of sentences. Lol

[GMDino]

(02-19-2019, 10:27 AM)michaelsean Wrote: They didn't just randomly pick some young Latino woman to go after.  She was catapulted to the front page, and they took advantage of it by painting her as the face of the Democrat Party. The left and the media created her, and are now, "What's with the obsession!!!"

 It's not the right who is going to hamstring her, but her own party.  Do you think they enjoyed watching her brag about keeping 25,000 jobs out of her district?  She's waiting on jobs with dignity or some such nonsense?  And really you have to look at jobs that are created due to the headquarters being located there.  Personally I don't like these deals because I think it's unfair to other businesses who don't get the breaks, but if you are a populist, what the hell are you thinking?

I already said she was a story because she was young and female, won a tough race and was part of the Democrats flipping the house.

The numbers show the "right" is more obsessed with trying to make her the face of the "left" than any Democrat is.

I don't believe Amazon was in her district.  Could be wrong about that.

[*michaelsean*]

(02-19-2019, 10:45 AM)GMDino Wrote: I already said she was a story because she was young and female, won a tough race and was part of the Democrats flipping the house.

The numbers show the "right" is more obsessed with trying to make her the face of the "left" than any Democrat is.

I don't believe Amazon was in her district.  Could be wrong about that.

She wasn't a part of flipping the house.  She won a Democrat seat.  

I'm sure the right is writing more about her now.  They see a potential opportunity and are running with it.  It may work or it may fail, but it's perfectly logical.  

[GMDino]

(02-19-2019, 10:49 AM)michaelsean Wrote: She wasn't a part of flipping the house.  She won a Democrat seat.  

I'm sure the right is writing more about her now.  They see a potential opportunity and are running with it.  It may work or it may fail, but it's perfectly logical.  

She ran against an experienced Republican and won.  She was part of it.

Look at the graph linked above.  They were writing about her before the election too because they thought their experienced guy could win.   Now they're ticked off because she won and doesn't back down from them when they go after her.  

[*michaelsean*]

(02-19-2019, 10:55 AM)GMDino Wrote: She ran against an experienced Republican and won.  She was part of it.

Look at the graph linked above.  They were writing about her before the election too because they thought their experienced guy could win.   Now they're ticked off because she won and doesn't back down from them when they go after her.  

It was a district that voted 83% for Crowley in 2016. Keeping an 83% seat is not part of flipping.

They were writing about her before the election because it was already a done deal.  

[BmorePat87]

(02-19-2019, 10:10 AM)GMDino Wrote: Can you imagine if the "left" tried to post a picture of FLOTUS nude?!?!  


In Port St. Lucie? 

I'm pretty sure Bfine knew I was speaking in hyperbole, hence the two amusing images he posted. 

[GMDino]

(02-19-2019, 11:06 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: I'm pretty sure Bfine knew I was speaking in hyperbole, hence the two amusing images he posted. 

I got his joke...lol.  Thus the: 

Also, can you imagine if the FLOTUS posed nude?!?!  

[Vas Deferens]

(02-19-2019, 10:39 AM)michaelsean Wrote: OK well good luck with that.  I'm sure all the small businesses around there are thrilled that they just lost 25,000 new potential customers.  

I have a philosophical disagreement with tax breaks for one company while the others don't get any, but it would probably be pretty stupid to govern that way based on reality.  Sometimes you swallow your ideology. 

Edit:  People act like this is Walmart coming in to shutdown mom and pop stores.  This is a headquarters.

You'd also be talking about housing increases that would effectively price out a significant portion of that community.  

There were a lot of people that didn't want HQ2 moving anywhere near their city.  

[GMDino]

(02-19-2019, 11:03 AM)michaelsean Wrote: It was a district that voted 83% for Crowley in 2016. Keeping an 83% seat is not part of flipping.

They were writing about her before the election because it was already a done deal.  

I stand corrected on the vote in her election.  I remembered it as a democratic seat but that she was portrayed as inexperienced so a bit of an upset for her.

Although I suppose that makes it worse that "the right" is so obsessed with someone who won a district almost any Democrat could win?

[GMDino]

(02-19-2019, 11:22 AM)Vas Deferens Wrote: You'd also be talking about housing increases that would effectively price out a significant portion of that community.  

There were a lot of people that didn't want HQ2 moving anywhere near their city.  

This was one of the debates that came up with Pittsburgh making a bid.  More jobs are great.  Good paying jobs are great.  But if the cost of living jumps too, who wins?

I heard something over the weekend about the crazy amount of money that was going to need to be spent on infrastructure to handle all those people moving around the New York area.  From classrooms to transportation.  And all while giving money away for the privilege.

[*michaelsean*]

(02-19-2019, 11:26 AM)GMDino Wrote: I stand corrected on the vote in her election.  I remembered it as a democratic seat but that she was portrayed as inexperienced so a bit of an upset for her.

Although I suppose that makes it worse that "the right" is so obsessed with someone who won a district almost any Democrat could win?

I'll just say it seems logical to me.  They see a chance to paint the whole Democratic Party, with apologies to Matt, as extreme.