The right's obsession with AOC

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(02-19-2019, 10:27 AM)michaelsean Wrote: They didn't just randomly pick some young Latino woman to go after.  She was catapulted to the front page, and they took advantage of it by painting her as the face of the Democrat Party. The left and the media created her, and are now, "What's with the obsession!!!"

 It's not the right who is going to hamstring her, but her own party.  Do you think they enjoyed watching her brag about keeping 25,000 jobs out of her district?  She's waiting on jobs with dignity or some such nonsense?  And really you have to look at jobs that are created due to the headquarters being located there.  Personally I don't like these deals because I think it's unfair to other businesses who don't get the breaks, but if you are a populist, what the hell are you thinking?

Perfect example of this; the video of her dancing.  The mainstream sites were up in arms that the GOP was "upset with a woman dancing".  AOC tweeted a video stating something to the effect of "conservatives don't like women dancing" and then she danced into her office.  Problem is, I didn't see a single right leaning site complaining about her dancing or even mentioning it.  She completely fabricated supposed outrage from the right over that video so she could act defiant over the supposed outrage.

It honestly amazes me that people don't see this.

[Belsnickel]

(02-19-2019, 11:49 AM)michaelsean Wrote: I'll just say it seems logical to me.  They see a chance to paint the whole Democratic Party, with apologies to Matt, as extreme.  

Eh, it's okay. I'm used to people being wrong.

[GMDino]

(02-19-2019, 11:49 AM)michaelsean Wrote: I'll just say it seems logical to me.  They see a chance to paint the whole Democratic Party, with apologies to Matt, as extreme.  

And I see it for what it is....wrong.

But at least we have gotten past the "the left is promoting her" trope.

[Belsnickel]

(02-19-2019, 11:51 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Perfect example of this; the video of her dancing.  The mainstream sites were up in arms that the GOP was "upset with a woman dancing".  AOC tweeted a video stating something to the effect of "conservatives don't like women dancing" and then she danced into her office.  Problem is, I didn't see a single right leaning site complaining about her dancing or even mentioning it.  She completely fabricated supposed outrage from the right over that video so she could act defiant over the supposed outrage.

It honestly amazes me that people don't see this.

My interpretation of the video being shared on conservative sites was criticizing her behavior. So are you saying that turning it into a gendered issue was wrong, or that those outlets were not criticizing her behavior?

Edit: This is what I get for not caring about irrelevant things like this, I see there really wasn't much of a stir over it. A QAnon type troll account posted it, and then it was shouted down into oblivion.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(02-19-2019, 11:51 AM)GMDino Wrote: And I see it for what it is....wrong.

It's smart politics.  

Quote:But at least we have gotten past the "the left is promoting her" trope.

Because you said so?  Oh no, methinks not.

[GMDino]

(02-19-2019, 11:51 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Perfect example of this; the video of her dancing.  The mainstream sites were up in arms that the GOP was "upset with a woman dancing".  AOC tweeted a video stating something to the effect of "conservatives don't like women dancing" and then she danced into her office.  Problem is, I didn't see a single right leaning site complaining about her dancing or even mentioning it.  She completely fabricated supposed outrage from the right over that video so she could act defiant over the supposed outrage.

It honestly amazes me that people don't see this.

My college roommate told me once he never heard of breaded pork chops.  The rest of the table was stunned to know they had been lied to their entire lives.



But if one guy in CA never saw anything about it on any right leaning site then it must be completely false.  Glad THAT is cleared up.



Here comes the post demanding I prove it was on a site that will be followed by me showing it and then SFF saying he still never saw it.

[*michaelsean*]

(02-19-2019, 11:51 AM)GMDino Wrote: And I see it for what it is....wrong.

But at least we have gotten past the "the left is promoting her" trope.

She got where she is because of the left.  They created her.  Tom Perez called her the future of the party.  So now we have bipartisan agreement.  

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(02-19-2019, 11:55 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: My interpretation of the video being shared on conservative sites was criticizing her behavior. So are you saying that turning it into a gendered issue was wrong, or that those outlets were not criticizing her behavior?

Edit: This is what I get for not caring about irrelevant things like this, I see there really wasn't much of a stir over it. A QAnon type troll account posted it, and then it was shouted down into oblivion.

(02-19-2019, 11:58 AM)GMDino Wrote: My college roommate told me once he never heard of breaded pork chops.  The rest of the table was stunned to know they had been lied to their entire lives.



But if one guy in CA never saw anything about it on any right leaning site then it must be completely false.  Glad THAT is cleared up.



Here comes the post demanding I prove it was on a site that will be followed by me showing it and then SFF saying he still never saw it.

Maybe you'll believe Matt then?  I'm always amused by your knee jerk refusal to accept anything I say until someone else says the exact same thing.

[Vas Deferens]

(02-19-2019, 11:28 AM)GMDino Wrote: This was one of the debates that came up with Pittsburgh making a bid.  More jobs are great.  Good paying jobs are great.  But if the cost of living jumps too, who wins?

I heard something over the weekend about the crazy amount of money that was going to need to be spent on infrastructure to handle all those people moving around the New York area.  From classrooms to transportation.  And all while giving money away for the privilege.

Same with Denver.  AMZ wanted to be there.  Ton of upside for them, geography, talent pool, etc.

Problem is, Denver's housing market can't sustain the growth of the past 10 years as is.  Add a crumbling infrastructure and the horrendous government service funding laws and that deal quickly becomes an exercise stuffing 15 lbs of shit in a 10 lb bag.

[GMDino]

(02-19-2019, 12:11 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Maybe you'll believe Matt then?  I'm always amused by your knee jerk refusal to accept anything I say until someone else says the exact same thing.

I didn't see Matt's edit so it never happened.  

[*michaelsean*]

(02-19-2019, 01:30 PM)GMDino Wrote: I didn't see Matt's edit so it never happened.  

That's what I'm saying.  First drafts only.  

[GMDino]

(02-19-2019, 12:05 PM)michaelsean Wrote: She got where she is because of the left.  They created her.  Tom Perez called her the future of the party.  So now we have bipartisan agreement.  

Well they voted for her, so yeah.

Also: context.

Quote:"I have three kids, two of whom are daughters. One just graduated college, one who is in college, and they were both texting me about their excitement over Alexandria because she really — she represents the future of our party," Perez said during an interviewwith the liberal radio-show host Bill Press.


Ocasio-Cortez is to the left of Perez and other party leaders on some key issues, including her call to abolish the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency. Perez said Tuesday that ICE had "endemic problems" but should be reformed rather than eliminated.


Still, he argued that Ocasio-Cortez's campaign platform illustrated a necessary ideological diversity in the party.

"Alexandria's victory was just a remarkable reminder of the depth that we have in the Democratic Party," Perez said, adding that Democratic success in this year's midterm elections would be built on candidates who tailor their campaigns to their states and districts.


"What Alexandria has in common with people like Conor Lamb, who also won an upset victory, is that they're fighting for the issues that their constituents care most about," he said, referring to the Democrat who flipped a red Pennsylvania congressional district in a March special election.


The DNC chief added that he had "great respect" for Ocasio-Cortez's primary opponent, Rep. Joe Crowley, whom Perez called a "good Democrat" and a "class act."


Other Democratic leaders have responded a bit less warmly to Ocasio-Cortez's upset. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi told reporters last week that the surprising election result didn't have broad implications for the party.


"They made a choice in one district," Pelosi said. "So let's not get yourself carried away as an expert on demographics and the rest of that within the caucus or outside the caucus."

Sen. Tammy Duckworth, an Illinois Democrat, similarly argued that Ocasio-Cortez's popularity in her Queens-Bronx district didn't mean she was paving the path forward for the national party.

"I think it's the future of the party in the Bronx, where she is," Duckworth told CNN last week. "I think that you can't win the White House without the Midwest, and I don't think you can go too far to the left and still win the Midwest."

Ocasio-Cortez, who is expected to win her general election by wide margins later this year and become the youngest woman ever elected to Congress, has since argued that there are "a lot of districts" like hers and that the country is ready for a new generation of leaders.

Conservatives celebrated Perez's comments, arguing that the Democratic Party's embrace of socialism would spell its ruin.

"A gift to every Republican everywhere," the Republican strategist Matt Mackowiak tweeted.

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She is on the news now because the GOP thinks she's a dumb young kid and they want to paint her ideas as the totality of "the left".

[GMDino]

(02-19-2019, 01:32 PM)michaelsean Wrote: That's what I'm saying.  First drafts only.  

Yeah, if change your minds make a new post!  None of this fancy editing!

[Belsnickel]

(02-19-2019, 01:38 PM)GMDino Wrote: Yeah, if change your minds make a new post!  None of this fancy editing!

That's just padding the post count!

[GMDino]

(02-19-2019, 01:50 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: That's just padding the post count!

No one cares about someone else's post count! 

[fredtoast]

(02-19-2019, 11:51 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Perfect example of this; the video of her dancing.  The mainstream sites were up in arms that the GOP was "upset with a woman dancing".  AOC tweeted a video stating something to the effect of "conservatives don't like women dancing" and then she danced into her office.  Problem is, I didn't see a single right leaning site complaining about her dancing or even mentioning it.  She completely fabricated supposed outrage from the right over that video so she could act defiant over the supposed outrage.

It honestly amazes me that people don't see this.

The comments on the YouTube video are hilarious.  In the early ones people who are clearly conservatives mock her, but now that the echo chamber is telling them that the right never mocked her the recent comments from conservatives are about how they never mocked her.

[fredtoast]

Just checked the moring headlines.

Foxnews site has three photos and SIX stories about AOC on their main page.

CNN has zero.

[hollodero]

(02-26-2019, 11:11 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Just checked the moring headlines.

Foxnews site has three photos and SIX stories about AOC on their main page.

CNN has zero.

Yeah that aligns mith my observations. FOX often seem to have one to multiple AOC stories each day, including "controversies" that are none (they once proudly found some Venezuelan immigrant that would slam her) and tagging her socialism to dictatorships and whatnot.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(02-26-2019, 11:15 AM)hollodero Wrote: Yeah that aligns mith my observations. FOX often seem to have one to multiple AOC stories each day, including "controversies" that are none (they once proudly found some Venezuelan immigrant that would slam her) and tagging her socialism to dictatorships and whatnot.

It saddens me that I have to repeat this, but here goes.  The media anointed AOC the moment she won her primary.  Sure, it's a compelling news story, young woman beats long term incumbent in primary.  She was then all over the news for several months.  Then her more extreme views began to become known.  At this point the GOP and right leaning press realize she could be a powerful tool to use against the Dems.  From this point forward they make efforts to paint her as the face of the Democratic party, as "the future" of that party.  While this is politically savvy on their part that's not really the point I'm getting at here.  Yes, the right has now latched on to her and runs more stories about her than the left or middle of the road (what few exist) outlets.  This would never have happened if she wasn't exhorted by the left leaning sites from the moment she won her primary.

TLR version, the left created AOC and the right is now using her against them.

[6andcounting]

(02-19-2019, 11:51 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Perfect example of this; the video of her dancing.  The mainstream sites were up in arms that the GOP was "upset with a woman dancing".  AOC tweeted a video stating something to the effect of "conservatives don't like women dancing" and then she danced into her office.  Problem is, I didn't see a single right leaning site complaining about her dancing or even mentioning it.  She completely fabricated supposed outrage from the right over that video so she could act defiant over the supposed outrage.

It honestly amazes me that people don't see this.

When people only get info from left wing media and left wing politicians those sources can make anything they want about the right and there's no contrary evidence for people to consider - so it magically becomes the truth.