Cincinnati campus officer shoots and kills unarmed black male

[GMDino]

(08-09-2015, 11:46 AM)michaelsean Wrote: He only had more than 100 grams once when he was stopped.  Well he had 2 lbs this time so what's the point?  It looks like the guy was murdered.  That's illegal if the victim is clean or not.  

81% if Tensing's tickets were to black people?  Maybe visit the neighbirhoods around UC and take a wild guess as to why that might be.  

We have black men killed here every week and nobody telling us how the victim with 2 lbs of pot is clean.

Oh well two pounds then definitely shoot to kill immediately!  

The story didn't say the victim was an angel...just that he'd had many, many of these run ins before with no problem.  And the officer has little training.

http://www.wlwt.com/news/source-2-bags-of-marijuana-in-duboses-car-at-time-of-fatal-shooting/34533640

Quote:WLWT has confirmed through CPD's search warrant inventory document that four bags and a jar of marijuana were in Dubose's car at the time of the July 19 traffic stop that ended in former UC Officer Ray Tensing fatally shooting DuBose.

The bags and jar were found in the center console, under the passenger seat and on the floor behind the driver's seat, the warrant states.

Multiple sources have told WLWT that officers found a little less than 2 pounds of marijuana in all, but no officials were immediately able to confirm the amount of marijuana found.

According to reports, the marijuana was found in the car's center console, under the front passenger seat and on the floor behind the driver's seat.

Police sources said the street value for the amount of marijuana found in DuBose's car is anywhere between $2,000 and $5,000 depending on the quality and the demand.

Police said marijuana amounts of more than two pounds is considered a felony.

Maybe we should wait for all the evidence and stop rushing to judgement. Or does that only apply to police officers?

[*michaelsean*]

That whole article is akin to saying Ray Tensing has pulled over 1000 people in his career, and guess what he never did before. Shoot someone in the head.

[GMDino]

(08-09-2015, 12:05 PM)michaelsean Wrote: That whole article is akin to saying Ray Tensing has pulled over 1000 people in his career, and guess what he never did before.  Shoot someone in the head.

No.  He never killed anyone.

However, just for background information:


http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/hamilton-county/cincinnati/ray-tensing-beaten-in-2010-fight-seemed-like-ticking-time-bomb-attorney-says

Quote:CINCINNATI – After a fight in 2010, Ray Tensing seemed like “a ticking time bomb,” a defense attorney said.

Tensing, the former University of Cincinnati police officer charged with murder, had been involved in a fight after a party in August of that year. It was just a few weeks after completing his training from the police academy, where he was recognized as an “outstanding student” during the graduation ceremony.

Some words were exchanged about someone’s girlfriend, according to Jay Clark, an attorney who represented one of the men involved. Tensing jumped out of a pickup truck he was in and the fight escalated.

Tensing was “beaten up,” according to Clark. He suffered serious injuries, and called 911.

Ray Tensing after the 2010 fight.

The case proceeded to the legal system. Between the fight and the trial in June of 2011, Tensing conducted his own investigation, using Facebook to find the people involved and supposedly pretending to be someone he wasn’t, according to two attorneys who worked on the case.

“It appears he wasn’t happy with the investigation that the Cincinnati police were doing – didn’t believe that they were aggressive enough or doing enough,” criminal defense attorney Lisa Rabanus said.

Tensing pretended to be someone else and texted a girl from the party, trying to fish for information, according to Rabanus.


In text messages to friends, Tensing mentioned “wishing he had his gun at the scene, and that if he had his gun someone would have been leaving in a body bag,” Rabanus said.

In another text, Tensing was making sure that he met up with another witness before court to go over their stories.

“He definitely was full of attitude and just overboard…even for a victim,” Rabanus said.

In the trial, Tensing was the only witness, according to Clark. After Tensing was questioned by the prosecution, the case was dismissed because of his “investigation.”

At the time, Tensing was applying for law enforcement jobs and he’d participated in the Hamilton County Sheriff’s Office explorer program.

Rabanus said she told the head of the explorer program “that he shouldn’t recommend Mr. Tensing for any type of police employment because…he’s a ticking time bomb.”

Still, Tensing landed a job with the Greenhills Police Department. He listed a Hamilton County deputy and the police academy commander among his references.

Police records indicate Tensing once fired a Taser at a man, but apparently never used his gun during his time in Greenhills.

In 2014, Tensing got a new job with the University of Cincinnati Police Department. In the two months before he fatally shot 43-year-old Samuel DuBose during a July 19 traffic stop, Tensing used force four times, including drawing his gun twice during traffic stops.

Tensing’s use of force was deemed “reasonable,” according to police records.

After Tensing killed DuBose, Rabanus said she “just kind of shook (her) head.”

“It’s like what I had feared – my impression of him in fearing that he shouldn’t be a police officer back then, and hoping that he wasn’t hired...had come to fruition.”

[*michaelsean*]

Dino you are missing my whole point. Why the hell the need for all of that nonsense reporting? I don't care if he never fled a scene before. Corpses don't put cars in drive. As far as I can tell, the cop murdered this dude, but that's no reason to start the victim on the road to canonization.

[GMDino]

(08-09-2015, 03:54 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Dino you are missing my whole point.  Why the hell the need for all of that nonsense reporting?  I don't care if he never fled a scene before.  Corpses don't put cars in drive.  As far as I can tell, the cop murdered this dude, but that's no reason to start the victim on the road to canonization.

I was merely adding information.

The "two pounds" story has been making the rounds as reason he fled.

So we have two stories showing the background of the two men involved.  You may draw your own conclusions.

Oh and corpses can't hold the brake down either so a car might drift.

Clearly this was no saint.  Also clearly we have a system at the college that is encouraging this meaningless stops by officials untrained in how to handle them.

[*michaelsean*]

I know a corpse can't hold a brake down, the question is how did it get in drive. He was fleeing or going to flee so USA Today telling us how he never ran is meaningless. None of this clears the officer in my opinion, it just irritates me. Like the mention of 81% of the stops are to black people. That's like mentioning all the white people pulled over in Montana.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(08-09-2015, 02:24 PM)GMDino Wrote: No.  He never killed anyone.

However, just for background information:


http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/hamilton-county/cincinnati/ray-tensing-beaten-in-2010-fight-seemed-like-ticking-time-bomb-attorney-says

I knew a few guys from high school who tried to become LEO's and couldn't pass the psych test.  In every instance this came as no surprise to me.  You have to wonder about the quality of the campus PD's screening and hiring process. that he didn't get red flagged.  I'll also add that campus PD's are generally notorious for having lower standards when it comes to hiring.

[GMDino]

(08-09-2015, 04:56 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I know a corpse can't hold a brake down, the question is how did it get in drive.  He was fleeing or going to flee so USA Today telling us how he never ran is meaningless.  None of this clears the officer in my opinion, it just irritates me.  Like the mention of 81% of the stops are to black people.  That's like mentioning all the white people pulled over in Montana.

Actually in Montana they pull over Latinos.  Then send them to jail while they try to find out if they are legal or not.



So I was curious but apparently the University of Cincinnati has  73% white students.

https://www.uc.edu/content/dam/uc/provost/docs/institutional_research/student_reports/student_fact_book/UC_Student_Factbook_current.pdf

I wonder what area the officers have to cover outside the area of the Campus though.

Edit: This is where the cover and what they can do.

https://www.uc.edu/publicsafety/about/police.html

Quote:The UC Police Department (UCPD) is a fully empowered law enforcement agency that operates 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. All police officers are certified by the state of Ohio and have full police authority. The department currently employs 72 police officers and 26 security officers.

UCPD works closely with the Cincinnati Police Department (CPD) to prevent crime within and around the campus community. Together, UCPD and CPD have partnered with UC's Institute of Crime Science to utilize real-time data to proactively develop strategies to keep our campus and community safe.

UC Police is organized into four main sections:

Patrol
Investigations
Community Engagement
911 communications (dispatch).
Patrol beats are separated into three areas on UC's main campus - Uptown, East and West. Additional patrols work with Cincinnati Police to cover neighborhoods surrounding UC's main campus. UCPD also serves UC's Blue Ash and Clermont campuses.

[GMDino]

Just looked of Cincinnati's racial make up.

http://www.infoplease.com/us/census/data/ohio/cincinnati/demographic.html


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I don't know if that means that 81% of the people who got tickets being black means anything or if whites are just better drivers.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(08-09-2015, 05:29 PM)GMDino Wrote: Just looked of Cincinnati's racial make up.

http://www.infoplease.com/us/census/data/ohio/cincinnati/demographic.html


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I don't know if that means that 81% of the people who got tickets being black means anything or if whites are just better drivers.

The racial makeup of the area around he campus is what's important, not the city as a whole.  Unless I'm mistaken and the campus police patrol the entire city.  Do you have the demographics of the area around the campus?

[GMDino]

(08-09-2015, 05:39 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: The racial makeup of the area around he campus is what's important, not the city as a whole.  Unless I'm mistaken and the campus police patrol the entire city.  Do you have the demographics of the area around the campus?

No.  I have the campus stats and the city stats.

The case we are talking about happened about one mile from campus going toward the Great American Ballpark.  

Apparently they are allowed to patrol "the surrounding area" but i didn't see where that area was defined.

However if the school is white by a vast majority you'd think the vast majority of tickets would go to white people on or near the campus vs 81% to blacks.  Unless he is patrolling off campus in majority black areas.  But they don't define that.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(08-09-2015, 05:47 PM)GMDino Wrote: No.  I have the campus stats and the city stats.

The case we are talking about happened about one mile from campus going toward the Great American Ballpark.  

Apparently they are allowed to patrol "the surrounding area" but i didn't see where that area was defined.

However if the school is white by a vast majority you'd think the vast majority of tickets would go to white people on or near the campus vs 81% to blacks.  Unless he is patrolling off campus in majority black areas.  But they don't define that.

That would be the key piece of information to have.  We're talking about traffic tickets here unless I'm mistaken.  Is UofC a commuter college or do most student live on, or very near, campus?  If you used USC here in LA as an example it's smack in the middle of an area that is predominantly black, by a large degree, so I'd bet heavily that you'd get similar results from traffic tickets.

[GMDino]

(08-09-2015, 05:52 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: That would be the key piece of information to have.  We're talking about traffic tickets here unless I'm mistaken.  Is UofC a commuter college or do most student live on, or very near, campus?  If you used USC here in LA as an example it's smack in the middle of an area that is predominantly black, by a large degree, so I'd bet heavily that you'd get similar results from traffic tickets.

So are they patrolling the higher minority areas more or is there just more crime in those areas or are blacks just worse drivers?

Plus we don't know what percentage of stops result in tickets.  Maybe they pull over an equal number but the blacks get more tickets because of some other factor.

We'll probably never know.

[*michaelsean*]

The neighborhoods around UC are heavily black. Any patrolling off campus would be in areas heavily populated by black people.

[RoyleRedlegs]

(08-09-2015, 06:29 PM)GMDino Wrote: So are they patrolling the higher minority areas more or is there just more crime in those areas or are blacks just worse drivers?

Plus we don't know what percentage of stops result in tickets.  Maybe they pull over an equal number but the blacks get more tickets because of some other factor.

We'll probably never know.

At UC, not a lot of students use their cars often or at least my experience with friends is this. It's in Clifton. There's concert venues and bars all within a block. Going THAT far off campus doesn't always happen.

And yeah, there's generally a lot more crime in some of those areas. It's gotten better a little but crime in that area used to be REALLY bad.

IDK if it's that blacks are worse drivers, but could it be likely they would get ticketed for things that are considered in for "black culture"....dark window tints, noise violations....etc
(granted city cops stopped my white friend 2x for those problems each with a ticket)

[*michaelsean*]

Well at least UC cops won't be patrolling off campus any more which is good. They don't have an infrastructue anywhere near like CPD. Take care of the campus and leave the rest aline.

[*rfaulk34*]

(08-09-2015, 05:52 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: That would be the key piece of information to have.  We're talking about traffic tickets here unless I'm mistaken.  Is UofC a commuter college or do most student live on, or very near, campus?  If you used USC here in LA as an example it's smack in the middle of an area that is predominantly black, by a large degree, so I'd bet heavily that you'd get similar results from traffic tickets.

That's exactly how UC is. Surrounded by predominantly black neighborhoods. The area around campus is well known for muggings, hold ups and shootings. Any off-campus housing is hugged up right against the borders and it's mostly west and some south west of the surrounding campus. The area the shooting took place, Mt. Auburn, is predominantly black as far as residents go. 

The red circle is where the shooting took place. The only real area for college students south of campus is the Clifton Heights area. The area where the shooting took place was all residential. The long street that runs left to right just above Inwood Park is Hollister St. Before Sonny Kim was killed in June, Hollister St is where the previous line-of-duty officers (2) were killed back in '96 or '97.

[Ryuko]

(08-09-2015, 05:47 PM)GMDino Wrote: No.  I have the campus stats and the city stats.

The case we are talking about happened about one mile from campus going toward the Great American Ballpark.  

Apparently they are allowed to patrol "the surrounding area" but i didn't see where that area was defined.

However if the school is white by a vast majority you'd think the vast majority of tickets would go to white people on or near the campus vs 81% to blacks.  Unless he is patrolling off campus in majority black areas.  But they don't define that.

Let's assume a couple things for the sake of discussion... It seems that most UC students are white, and the popular opinion is that most people living in the area around UC are black. If the job of the campus police at UC is anything like it was at Ohio State, it's to prevent non-students from encroaching on campus... Like a school sanctioned border patrol. In Columbus, that seemed mostly to include escorting the occasional homeless guy to the other side of High or Lane, but based on the number of violent crimes I see reported near UC's campus, I suspect they have to take a more aggressive stance than their Columbus counterparts.

To summarize, if most students are white, and most non-students are black, and the campus police are trying to keep non-students from harassing students, it makes sense that they would be ticketing a lot of black people. (In the same way you'd expect border patrol in Texas to arrest a lot of Mexicans)