There will be a vote in the Senate to defund PP

[StLucieBengal]

https://soundcloud.com/glennbeck/beck-blitz-defund-planned-parenthood-rand-paul-speaks

Happy to see this... Time to get people on the record.

[BmorePat87]

RIP female vote in 2016

[StLucieBengal]

(07-28-2015, 07:22 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: RIP female vote in 2016

Not these days. I think the way this is being laid out by the republicans is actually pro women.

The progressives on both sides who don't vote for this will be exposed. People aren't in favor of harvesting baby parts and treating a human like a 91 Chevy cavalier.

It's not about abortions its theae other shenanigans .

[JustWinBaby]

Why does it need federal funding now that we have Obamacare? Sure, either way it's still getting money from the govt but at least they'd fall under the qualifications/regulation of Obamacare.

And you won't convince me that federal dollars aren't funding abortion. It's all fungible - if they're getting other operating expenses from the govt, then their fundraising efforts can focus on raising money for abortion.

[*bfine32*]

(07-28-2015, 07:22 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: RIP female vote in 2016

If only all the dead babies could vote. RIP

[SunsetBengal]

(07-28-2015, 07:22 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: RIP female vote in 2016

What makes you so sure of that?

[StLucieBengal]

(07-28-2015, 11:41 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: What makes you so sure of that?

Somehow he thinks women favor harvest baby parts and selling them to the highest bidder.... Or as the pp doctor in Colorado says ...

[fredtoast]

(07-28-2015, 09:10 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote:   People aren't in favor of harvesting baby parts and treating a human like a 91 Chevy cavalier.    

This is a ridiculous statement.

No one harvests parts from a '91 Chevy Cavalier.

[fredtoast]

(07-28-2015, 11:41 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: What makes you so sure of that?

Because women usually support reproductive health care services for women.

And women are also more Pro-Choice.

[StLucieBengal]

(07-29-2015, 02:00 AM)fredtoast Wrote: This is a ridiculous statement.

No one harvests parts from a '91 Chevy Cavalier.

Haha fair play. Rep to you

[StLucieBengal]

(07-29-2015, 02:02 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Because women usually support reproductive health care services for women.

And women are also more Pro-Choice.

If this whole thing was being brought up as a pure abortion issue I would give your point . But I don't think they will be doing that .... I bet they focus on the organ harvesting. Then the pp being shown haggling price and looking for more. At the very least this should start an investigation.

And really it should be temporarily froZen pending a congressional investigation. Then decide on a full defund based on what the find. Plus pp deserves a chance to explain themselves.

[masonbengals fan]

(07-28-2015, 09:10 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote:  

  People aren't in favor of harvesting baby parts and treating a human like a 91 Chevy cavalier.    

Sadly, there's a lot of people in this world who would care more about saving some Cavalier parts than they would a human being.

[BmorePat87]

(07-28-2015, 11:41 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: What makes you so sure of that?

Planned Parenthood  has been used by many women for a wide variety of services, not just abortions.

During the 2012 election, 31% of women believed there was a wide-spread effort to reduce their access to reproductive services. 45% believed there was an effort, but not that wide spread. Only 7% believed there wasn't. Defund Planned Parenthood, and those numbers increase. 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/31/us-usa-healthcare-women-idUSBRE84U05D20120531

There's also the reality that women are more likely to be pro-choice, and this defunding will be seen as an attempt to reduce women's access to safe abortions. 

http://www.gallup.com/poll/183434/americans-choose-pro-choice-first-time-seven-years.aspx
http://www.gallup.com/poll/170249/split-abortion-pro-choice-pro-life.aspx

There's also the fact that even a majority of Republican women in 2014 saw the Democrats as being better at preserving their access to reproductive services. Independent women favored Democrats 60-40 with this issue. 86% of voters saw it as an important issue.

http://www.prochoiceamerica.org/media/press-releases/2014/pr11122014_poll.html

But there really was no big assault in 2012 or 2014. Defund Planned Parenthood, however, and you've given the opposition plenty of ammo.

[StLucieBengal]

(07-29-2015, 04:11 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Planned Parenthood  has been used by many women for a wide variety of services, not just abortions.

During the 2012 election, 31% of women believed there was a wide-spread effort to reduce their access to reproductive services. 45% believed there was an effort, but not that wide spread. Only 7% believed there wasn't. Defund Planned Parenthood, and those numbers increase. 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/31/us-usa-healthcare-women-idUSBRE84U05D20120531

There's also the reality that women are more likely to be pro-choice, and this defunding will be seen as an attempt to reduce women's access to safe abortions. 

http://www.gallup.com/poll/183434/americans-choose-pro-choice-first-time-seven-years.aspx
http://www.gallup.com/poll/170249/split-abortion-pro-choice-pro-life.aspx

There's also the fact that even a majority of Republican women in 2014 saw the Democrats as being better at preserving their access to reproductive services. Independent women favored Democrats 60-40 with this issue. 86% of voters saw it as an important issue.

http://www.prochoiceamerica.org/media/press-releases/2014/pr11122014_poll.html

But there really was no big assault in 2012 or 2014. Defund Planned Parenthood, however, and you've given the opposition plenty of ammo.

Yes pat but this isn't about just abortions. Actually is almost not even about the abortions. It's about the implications of the harvest organs for sale then why do we have pp when we have community health centers for all the non abortion services and we have obamacare covering birth control and Abortipns. If everyone has to have obamacare then everyone can get an abortion. So there is no need for pp to get public money.

That's the debate.

[*bfine32*]

(07-29-2015, 04:11 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Planned Parenthood  has been used by many women for a wide variety of services, not just abortions.

During the 2012 election, 31% of women believed there was a wide-spread effort to reduce their access to reproductive services. 45% believed there was an effort, but not that wide spread. Only 7% believed there wasn't. Defund Planned Parenthood, and those numbers increase. 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/31/us-usa-healthcare-women-idUSBRE84U05D20120531

There's also the reality that women are more likely to be pro-choice, and this defunding will be seen as an attempt to reduce women's access to safe abortions. 

http://www.gallup.com/poll/183434/americans-choose-pro-choice-first-time-seven-years.aspx
http://www.gallup.com/poll/170249/split-abortion-pro-choice-pro-life.aspx

There's also the fact that even a majority of Republican women in 2014 saw the Democrats as being better at preserving their access to reproductive services. Independent women favored Democrats 60-40 with this issue. 86% of voters saw it as an important issue.

http://www.prochoiceamerica.org/media/press-releases/2014/pr11122014_poll.html

But there really was no big assault in 2012 or 2014. Defund Planned Parenthood, however, and you've given the opposition plenty of ammo.

Depends on how it gets spun. If the GOP can spin it into they are protecting them from an organization that was more concerned about profit than their well being then it could have a positive effect .

[BmorePat87]

(07-29-2015, 04:20 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Yes pat but this isn't about just abortions.   Actually is almost not even about the abortions.  It's about the implications of the harvest organs for sale then why do we have pp when we have community health centers for all the non abortion services and we have obamacare covering birth control and Abortipns.  If everyone has to have obamacare then everyone can get an abortion.   So there is no need for pp to get public money.  

That's the debate.

But the fact that the video was heavily edited hasn't led most people to believe the claim that they are this evil organization. Most women see them as a place to get a lot of important services.

(07-29-2015, 04:45 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Depends on how it gets spun. If the GOP can spin it into they are protecting them from an organization that was more concerned about profit than their well being then it could have a positive effect .

They have their work cut out for them. They have to convince a group that does not view them as wanting to protect their access to reproductive services that they are in fact protecting them... by defunding a place that offers much of their reproductive services.

[GMDino]

(07-29-2015, 04:45 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Depends on how it gets spun. If the GOP can spin it into they are protecting them from an organization that was more concerned about profit than their well being then it could have a positive effect .

If that's the problem they need to go after insurance companies.

[StLucieBengal]

(07-29-2015, 05:16 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: But the fact that the video was heavily edited hasn't led most people to believe the claim that they are this evil organization. Most women see them as a place to get a lot of important services.


They have their work cut out for them. They have to convince a group that does not view them as wanting to protect their access to reproductive services that they are in fact protecting them... by defunding a place that offers much of their reproductive services.

This is why I said earlier in the thread the proper thing to do is suspend funding, do the inveatogation and allow pp to come in and defend themselves, they deserve the right to be able to explain themselves. This will also allow the congress to look at their books and see if any laws were being broken.

Judge Nap addressed this some on the overtime. I will post the link. It's interesting what he says. You will have to go a couple mins in or so.

Judge Napolitano fields your questions on 'Overtime'
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4377809968001/judge-napolitano-fields-your-questions-on-overtime/?playlist_id=3482905335001

[StLucieBengal]

They don't need pp for birth control and abortions anymore. Obamacare covers that.... So we are all covered already. Not to mention the "other" services they offer. Which are also offered by community clinics.

So tell me why are we paying pp?

[GMDino]

(07-29-2015, 05:45 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: They don't need pp for birth control and abortions anymore.   Obamacare covers that....  So we are all covered already.     Not to mention the "other" services they offer.   Which are also offered by community clinics.  

So tell me why are we paying pp?

Because places like Hobby Lobby will fight tooth and nail to keep women from getting birth control under the ACA?

I know they passed a work-around, but still...