This Should Piss You Off

[NATI BENGALS]

My number one issue is probably criminal justice reform. There is nothing that pisses me off more than our broke ass system.

As the land of the free it is a total embarrassment to me that we have more people in prison than any other country.
http://www.prisonstudies.org/highest-to-lowest/prison-population-total?field_region_taxonomy_tid=All

Behind some tiny island nation we have the highest incarceration rate of any country in the world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate

What in the flying fu#$?

Want to add insult to injury? Get a Trump presidency involved.

Hopefully you bought stock in private prisons. Because these two with stock symbols GEO and CXW have doubled since Trump was elected. And in case you were wondering. Yes they were big time republican donors.
http://data.cnbc.com/quotes/GEO/tab/2
http://data.cnbc.com/quotes/CXW/tab/2

What could be better than profiting off of taking away someones freedom?

I will say that again. Private citizens are making huge amounts of money on tax payer dollars to take away peoples freedom.

And our boy Trump and his new attorney general are all about it. With the racists bag of smashed assholes Sessions recently making sure the private for profit prison industry is alive and well.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/23/sessions-signals-support-for-private-prisons-rescinds-memo-meant-to-phase-out-their-use.html

Private.. For profit... Mother Fu$%!ng prisons. With shareholders. Incentivizing full prisons in the country with the highest prison population.

BUSTED ASS BULLSHIT right here. We were heading in the right direction trying to fade out this crooked industry. But thanks to Trump and good old boy Sessions.... You can still make some money off of other people losing their freedom.

I have no idea how these even exist.

[Bilbo Saggins]

This system is allowed to exist because people actually believe that we are the land of the free, home of the brave. We never have been and probably never will be. We are the land of mass incarceration, subtle enslavement, and perpetual war.

[Rotobeast]

We really need to follow Portugal's lead.
If I'm remembering correctly, over 60% of the U.S. prison population are in for "crimes" involving drugs.

*edit.... I was wrong. It's 48.6%.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/portugal-decriminalised-drugs-14-years-ago-and-now-hardly-anyone-dies-from-overdosing-10301780.html

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[Au165]

(02-24-2017, 09:15 AM)Rotobeast Wrote: We really need to follow Portugal's lead.
If I'm remembering correctly, over 60% of the U.S. prison population are in for "crimes" involving drugs.

*edit.... I was wrong. It's 48.6%.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/portugal-decriminalised-drugs-14-years-ago-and-now-hardly-anyone-dies-from-overdosing-10301780.html

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I saw yesterday where Trump changed the direction of the Federal government on recreational marijuana laws in states that have approved it. Previously the Federal Government had been told not to worry about enforcing federal laws in these states, but now they have been told to enforce it.

[Rotobeast]

(02-24-2017, 09:23 AM)Au165 Wrote: I saw yesterday where Trump changed the direction of the Federal government on recreational marijuana laws in states that have approved it. Previously the Federal Government had been told not to worry about enforcing federal laws in these states, but now they have been told to enforce it.

He's said that, but days before the double-talking MF'er was saying he wanted to legalize a bunch of drugs, to screw the cartels.

I fear the internal war is brewing.
They are saying things to stir up both sides.

[xxlt]

(02-24-2017, 03:13 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: My number one issue is probably criminal justice reform. There is nothing that pisses me off more than our broke ass system.

As the land of the free it is a total embarrassment to me that we have more people in prison than any other country.
http://www.prisonstudies.org/highest-to-lowest/prison-population-total?field_region_taxonomy_tid=All

Behind some tiny island nation we have the highest incarceration rate of any country in the world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate

What in the flying fu#$?

Want to add insult to injury? Get a Trump presidency involved.

Hopefully you bought stock in private prisons. Because these two with stock symbols GEO and CXW have doubled since Trump was elected. And in case you were wondering. Yes they were big time republican donors.
http://data.cnbc.com/quotes/GEO/tab/2
http://data.cnbc.com/quotes/CXW/tab/2

What could be better than profiting off of taking away someones freedom?  

I will say that again. Private citizens are making huge amounts of money on tax payer dollars to take away peoples freedom.

And our boy Trump and his new attorney general are all about it. With the racists bag of smashed assholes Sessions recently making sure the private for profit prison industry is alive and well.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/23/sessions-signals-support-for-private-prisons-rescinds-memo-meant-to-phase-out-their-use.html

Private.. For profit... Mother Fu$%!ng prisons. With shareholders. Incentivizing full prisons in the country with the highest prison population.

BUSTED ASS BULLSHIT right here. We were heading in the right direction trying to fade out this crooked industry. But thanks to Trump and good old boy Sessions.... You can still make some money off of other people losing their freedom.

I have no idea how these even exist.

Incarceration is freedom. The private sector does everything better. It really is simple.

[xxlt]

(02-24-2017, 09:15 AM)Rotobeast Wrote: We really need to follow Portugal's lead.
If I'm remembering correctly, over 60% of the U.S. prison population are in for "crimes" involving drugs.

*edit.... I was wrong. It's 48.6%.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/portugal-decriminalised-drugs-14-years-ago-and-now-hardly-anyone-dies-from-overdosing-10301780.html

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Hook up with Spain? I'm down with that. Uncle Sam likes the Latinas!

[*michaelsean*]

I'm totally against private prisons. The government decides to take your freedom, they are responsible for you.

[GMDino]

(02-24-2017, 10:50 AM)michaelsean Wrote: I'm totally against private prisons.  The government decides to take your freedom, they are responsible for you.

Totally agree.

[BengalHawk62]

(02-24-2017, 09:23 AM)Au165 Wrote: I saw yesterday where Trump changed the direction of the Federal government on recreational marijuana laws in states that have approved it. Previously the Federal Government had been told not to worry about enforcing federal laws in these states, but now they have been told to enforce it.

Ya I saw this yesterday too.  That orange MF'er. 

[*PhilHos*]

(02-24-2017, 03:13 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: My number one issue is probably criminal justice reform. There is nothing that pisses me off more than our broke ass system.

As the land of the free it is a total embarrassment to me that we have more people in prison than any other country.
http://www.prisonstudies.org/highest-to-lowest/prison-population-total?field_region_taxonomy_tid=All

Behind some tiny island nation we have the highest incarceration rate of any country in the world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate

What in the flying fu#$?

Want to add insult to injury? Get a Trump presidency involved.

Hopefully you bought stock in private prisons. Because these two with stock symbols GEO and CXW have doubled since Trump was elected. And in case you were wondering. Yes they were big time republican donors.
http://data.cnbc.com/quotes/GEO/tab/2
http://data.cnbc.com/quotes/CXW/tab/2

What could be better than profiting off of taking away someones freedom?  

I will say that again. Private citizens are making huge amounts of money on tax payer dollars to take away peoples freedom.

And our boy Trump and his new attorney general are all about it. With the racists bag of smashed assholes Sessions recently making sure the private for profit prison industry is alive and well.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/23/sessions-signals-support-for-private-prisons-rescinds-memo-meant-to-phase-out-their-use.html

Private.. For profit... Mother Fu$%!ng prisons. With shareholders. Incentivizing full prisons in the country with the highest prison population.

BUSTED ASS BULLSHIT right here. We were heading in the right direction trying to fade out this crooked industry. But thanks to Trump and good old boy Sessions.... You can still make some money off of other people losing their freedom.

I have no idea how these even exist.

Out of curiosity, where would we rank globally, if we took out the countries where certain forms of rape and murder are legal? Also, how many other countries believe in corporal-style punishments in lieu of prison sentences (i.e. cutting off hands for thieves, castration for rapists, etc.)? While we're at it, where would we rank, if we didn't imprison all those involved in prostitution and those involved in drug offenses minus distributers? I honestly don't know ANY of the answers to the questions above.

With that said and while I agree that I think, as a country, we may be a little too imprisonment-happy, you could look at those numbers and say we're better at catching criminals than the other countries. In all honesty, I think this issue is more complex than just looking at rankings and thinking that's it.

Oh, and I also agree with michaelsean about private prisons.

[Rotobeast]

(02-24-2017, 12:23 PM)PhilHos Wrote: I think, as a country, we may be a little too imprisonment-happy, you could look at those numbers and say we're better at catching criminals than the other countries.

We're really good at CONVICTING people.
The plea-bargains are what gets people.
They get scared of the potential full sentence and cop a plea.
A lot of people take the plea, as they don't qualify for free council and cannot afford an attorney.
The justice system is a meat-grinder for poor people.


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[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

Corporate Welfare.

Corporations such as Halliburton are the real welfare queens, but Big Business suckles from that teat thus no outrage from their conservative supporters hoping for a little trickle down.

[*bfine32*]

He sure does like to put criminals in prison

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(02-24-2017, 05:37 PM)bfine32 Wrote: He sure does like to put criminals in prison

Triggered. Again. 

Do you need a safe place where the bad man's words can't hurt you?



Show me on the diagram where his words touched you. 

[NATI BENGALS]

(02-24-2017, 05:37 PM)bfine32 Wrote: He sure does like to put criminals in prison

So you support private prisons?

I figured you would be at CPAC wearing your orange clown makeup waving your Russian flag chanting lock her up. Didn't expect one of your intelligent blurbs. Sorry if putting Trumps name in there hurt your little feelings.

[Vas Deferens]

Some people sure have run out of ways to defend their ideologies.

On this topic though, you'd think those individuals would just come out and say 'hey, I'd prefer a corporate entity benefit from lower class individuals being placed in custody for minor drug offenses.'

Typical conservative passive aggressive behavior.

[xxlt]

(02-24-2017, 02:58 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: We're really good at CONVICTING people.
The plea-bargains are what gets people.
They get scared of the potential full sentence and cop a plea.
A lot of people take the plea, as they don't qualify for free council and cannot afford an attorney.
The justice system is a meat-grinder for poor people.


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And that's a problem?

[Rotobeast]

(02-24-2017, 08:26 PM)xxlt Wrote: And that's a problem?

Your rapscallion act has come along nicely !

[Dill]

(02-24-2017, 12:23 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Out of curiosity, where would we rank globally, if we took out the countries where certain forms of rape and murder are legal? Also, how many other countries believe in corporal-style punishments in lieu of prison sentences (i.e. cutting off hands for thieves, castration for rapists, etc.)? While we're at it, where would we rank, if we didn't imprison all those involved in prostitution and those involved in drug offenses minus distributers? I honestly don't know ANY of the answers to the questions above.

With that said and while I agree that I think, as a country, we may be a little too imprisonment-happy, you could look at those numbers and say we're better at catching criminals than the other countries. In all honesty, I think this issue is more complex than just looking at rankings and thinking that's it.

Oh, and I also agree with michaelsean about private prisons.

I might be able to help you sort this out, if you can name some countries where certain forms of rape and murder are legal.

A Indian magistrate has recently considered castration as punishment for certain sex offenses. Since the US is one of the few countries that castrate sex offenders, Indians are looking to us as a model. http://indianexpress.com/article/explained/castration-as-a-form-of-punishment-used-in-some-countries-but-can-it-reform/

Virtually every first-world country would agree that certain forms of murder are legal in the US, but no one is imprisoned for them. That takes some off the board for the US.

I think you could look at those numbers and say that we are better at running for-profit prisons than other countries.

Plenty of developing countries have law and order parties akin to our Republicans--love the death penalty and happy to jail children for life--but off hand I cannot think of another country in which there is actually a prison lobby.