Trump Found LIABLE

[BIGDADDYFROMCINCINNATI]

(05-24-2023, 08:37 AM)pally Wrote: Sleazy people tend to gravitate towards other sleazy people.  Look how many people in his circle are professionally or ethically corrupt.

LOCK HIM UP!!!

[GMDino]

So trump is a rapist, legally?

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/trump-e-jean-carroll-rape-charge-republican-reactions-rcna95585

Quote:[color=var(--article-body--date-source--color)]July 22, 2023, 6:00 AM EDT[/color]
[color=var(--article-body--byline--color)]By Charlie Sykes, MSNBC columnist[/color]
A quick public service announcement: You did not, in fact, take crazy pills this week.


It’s just the news cycle.

On Wednesday, a federal judge confirmed that a jury ruled that the former President of the United States was a rapist.
Earlier this year, Donald Trump requested a new trial or reduced damages after a jury found him liable for sexual abuse and defamation of writer E. Jean Carroll, and awarded her $5 million. Trump’s legal team argued that since the jury did not find him liable for raping Carroll, the verdict was “grossly excessive.” But U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan slapped down that argument.

[color=var(--liftout--text--color)]The GOP scarcely blinks, but none of this was inevitable.[/color]

“The finding that Carroll failed to prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr. Trump ‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape,’” Kaplan wrote. The judge explained that New York’s legal definition of the term is “far narrower” than the word “rape” is understood in “common modern parlance.”

“Indeed,” he added, “as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.”

Kaplan's ruling was unambiguous and blunt. “Mr. Trump’s attempt to minimize the sexual abuse finding as perhaps resting on nothing more than groping of Ms. Carroll’s breasts through her clothing is frivolous,” he wrote. “The proof convincingly established, and the jury implicitly found, that Mr. Trump deliberately and forcibly penetrated Ms. Carroll’s vagina with his fingers, causing immediate pain and long lasting emotional and psychological harm.”

Lest you glossed over that, the judge declared there was “ample, arguably overwhelming evidence” that Trump is a rapist by the word’s most common definitions, and even “some federal and state criminal statutes.” This wasn’t “locker room talk,” this was an actual sexual assault committed by one of the most powerful men in America.



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Yet Kaplan’s opinion wasn’t nearly the top news story of the day. It was merely another data point of our deeply deranged political moment. Despite that ruling, Donald J. Trump remains the clear front-runner for the 2024 GOP presidential nomination.[/color]

Even though he faces multiple felony charges and a third (and perhaps) fourth indictment, Trump’s hold on this party is as strong as ever.

At this point, after seven years of Trump’s destructive march through truth, decency and the soul of the GOP, we’ve been numbed by the seemingly endless parade of lies, insults, threats and contempt for the rule of law.
But we still have a moral obligation to be shocked, don’t we?

[color=var(--liftout--text--color)]It feels as if we have fallen down a bizarre rabbit hole of insanity.[/color]

The GOP scarcely blinks, but none of this was inevitable. Imagine someone transported to this moment from 2015 (or even from Jan. 7, 2021). Imagine explaining to a “normal” Republican what happened to their party.

Even a few years ago a charge of rape would have disqualified a politician at any level. (Even using terms like “legitimate rape” was enough to wreck political careers.) All but the most rabid of tribal partisans would have been shocked at the prospect of running under the banner of a leader facing felony indictments for conspiracy and fraud. It would have been unthinkable to embrace a presidential candidate who spent his nights bleating out deranged ALL-CAPS rants.

But here we are, and it feels as if we have fallen down a bizarre rabbit hole of insanity.

In Congress, Republicans not only rally around their disgraced leader but have made obstructing justice a central plank in their agenda. After two years of gaslighting their supporters about what really happened on Jan. 6, 2021, Republican leaders are closing ranks against any legal accountability for the man who incited the insurrection. Not even the former vice president, whose life was threatened by rioters chanting “Hang Mike Pence,” believes that Trump should face any legal consequences.

Instead, the party has turned its wrath on the watchdogs: Republicans who wanted to lock up Hillary Clinton over her emails now want to defund the FBI and gut the Justice Department for enforcing the laws that Trump flouted.



[color=var(--inline-video--info--color)][color=var(--inline-video--title-color)]Carroll moves to teach Trump a lesson he failed to learn from loss in court
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And on the same day Kaplan issued his opinion, the Washington Post reported: “Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) on Wednesday showed what appeared to be sexually explicit images of Hunter Biden, President Biden’s son, during a hearing of the House Oversight and Accountability Committee.”[/color]

Observers were rightly shocked at Greene’s attempt to score a political point. “Nothing is beneath Ms. Greene,” Hunter Biden’s attorney, Abbe Lowell, declared. But, of course, there will be no consequences, because there are no longer standards for a party that used to insist that “character counts” and still claims that it wants to protect children from any hint of sexuality.

In the era of Trump, however, all of that is subordinated to the prime directives of triggering liberals, defending the Orange Victim and feeding the hungry, hungry hippos of outrage.

If the polls are to be believed, Republican voters support this. Even as outrage mounts upon outrage; crime upon, crime; indictment upon indictment, Trump’s lead grows.

A rational political party might think that it is unwise to place its fate in the hands of a narcissist and rapist. But we are not living in rational times, are we?

[Dill]

(07-23-2023, 10:12 PM)GMDino Wrote: So trump is a rapist, legally?

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/trump-e-jean-carroll-rape-charge-republican-reactions-rcna95585

That trial has had an effect on some Trump supporters I know. 

Something about a public trial forces more actual (as opposed to alternative) facts through the MAGA filter,

as the RWM is bound to report on it, if at least to explain what went wrong. 

It was a jury of ordinary Americans, selected by lawyers from both sides, that decided the issue.

This is one reason I would like to see the Smartmatic suit go to court,

and Trump face public prosecution for insurrection. 

It forces more legal explanation and factual detail into the RWEC. 

[GMDino]

(07-24-2023, 12:15 AM)Dill Wrote: That trial has had an effect on some Trump supporters I know. 

Something about a public trial forces more actual (as opposed to alternative) facts through the MAGA filter,

as the RWM is bound to report on it, if at least to explain what went wrong. 

It was a jury of ordinary Americans, selected by lawyers from both sides, that decided the issue.

This is one reason I would like to see the Smartmatic suit go to court,

and Trump face public prosecution for insurrection. 

It forces more legal explanation and factual detail into the RWEC. 

Hearing it, reading it, seeing it are all different from UNDERSTANDING or COMPREHENDING it or especially BELIEVING it.

[GMDino]

There is another trial currently going on because P01135809 can't stop running his mouth about losing the first case.

P01135809 either believes he really is above all law or his mind is slipping as he continually interrupts the proceedings.  

Some have suggested he WANTS a fight with the judge so he can tell his cult members that the judge is "unfair" to him.  Like the bully who finally gets hit back and then runs to their mommy and cries.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-carroll-defamation-lawsuit-70d4477120399373934253c7e450643e

Quote:[color=var(--color-primary-text)]A judge threatened Donald Trump with expulsion from his Manhattan civil trial Wednesday after he repeatedly ignored warnings to keep quiet while writer E. Jean Carroll testified that he shattered her reputation. (Jan. 17)
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[color=var(--color-byline-authors)]BY MICHAEL R. SISAK, LARRY NEUMEISTER AND JAKE OFFENHARTZ[/color]
Updated 11:12 PM EST, January 17, 2024

NEW YORK (AP) — Donald Trump was threatened with expulsion from his Manhattan civil trial Wednesday after he repeatedly ignored a warning to keep quiet while writer E. Jean Carroll testified that he shattered her reputation after she accused him of sexual abuse.[/color]

Judge Lewis A. Kaplan told the former president that his right to be present at the trial will be revoked if he remains disruptive. After an initial warning, Carroll’s lawyer said Trump could still be heard making remarks to his lawyers, including “it is a witch hunt” and “it really is a con job.”

“Mr. Trump, I hope I don’t have to consider excluding you from the trial,” Kaplan said in an exchange after the jury was excused for lunch, adding: “I understand you’re probably very eager for me to do that.”


“I would love it,” the Republican presidential front-runner shot back, shrugging as he sat between lawyers Alina Habba and Michael Madaio at the defense table.

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“I know you would. You just can’t control yourself in these circumstances, apparently,” Kaplan responded.


“You can’t either,” Trump muttered.[/color]

Afterward, Trump ripped the judge in brief remarks to reporters at an office building he owns near the courthouse. He called the Bill Clinton appointee “a nasty judge” and a “Trump-hating guy,” echoing his own social media posts that Kaplan was “seething and hostile,” and “abusive, rude, and obviously not impartial.”

Trump has made similar comments about the judge in another case: a state of New York lawsuit accusing him of inflating his property values to get better rates on insurance and loans.

On Wednesday, Judge Kaplan denied a request from Trump’s lawyers that he step aside from the case involving Carroll, a longtime Elle magazine advice columnist.

Kaplan cracked down after Carroll lawyer Shawn Crowley complained for a second time that Trump could be heard “loudly saying things” throughout her testimony as he sat at the defense table, frequently tilting back and leaning over to speak with his lawyers.

Crowley suggested that if Carroll’s lawyers could hear Trump from where they were sitting, about 12 feet (3.7 meters) from him, jurors might’ve been able to hear him, too. Some appeared to split their focus between Trump and the witness stand.

“I’m just going to ask that Mr. Trump take special care to keep his voice down when conferring with counsel to make sure the jury does not hear it,” Kaplan said before jurors returned to the courtroom after a morning break.

Earlier, without the jury in the courtroom, Trump could be seen slamming his hand on the defense table and uttering the word “man” when the judge again refused his lawyer’s request that the trial be suspended on Thursday so he could attend his mother-in-law’s funeral in Florida.

Trump, fresh from a win Monday in the Iowa caucuses, has made his various legal fights part of his campaign. He sat in on jury selection Tuesday, then jetted to a New Hampshire rally before returning to court Wednesday and repeating the cycle with another Granite State event Wednesday night.

Carroll was the first witness in a Manhattan federal court trial to determine damages, if any, that Trump owes her for remarks he made while he was president in June 2019 as he vehemently denied ever attacking her or knowing her. A jury last year already found that Trump sexually abused her and defamed her in a round of denials in October 2022.

Carroll’s testimony was somewhat of a tightrope walk because of limitations the judge has posed on the trial in light of the previous verdict and prior rulings he’s made restricting the infusion of political talk. Habba lobbed multiple objections seeking to prevent the jury from hearing details of Carroll’s allegations.

“I’m here because Donald Trump assaulted me and when I wrote about it, he said it never happened. He lied and he shattered my reputation,” Carroll testified.


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E. Jean Carroll arrives at Manhattan federal court, Wednesday, Jan. 17, 2024, in New York. Less than a year after convincing a jury that former President Donald Trump sexually abused her decades ago, writer E. Jean Carroll is set to take the stand again to describe how his verbal attacks affected her after she came forward. (AP Photo/Ted Shaffrey)


“He has continued to lie. He lied last month. He lied on Sunday. He lied yesterday. And I am here to get my reputation back and to stop him from telling lies about me,” Carroll said.[/color]

Once a respected columnist, Carroll lamented: “Now, I’m known as the liar, the fraud and the whack job.” She became emotional as she read through some of hundreds of hateful messages she’s received from strangers, apologizing at one point to the jury for reading the nasty language aloud.

Carroll said Trump’s smears “ended the world” she knew, costing her millions of readers and her “Ask E. Jean” advice column, which ran in Elle for more than 25 years. The magazine has said her contract ended for unrelated reasons.

Carroll said her worries about her personal safety after a stream of death threats led her to buy bullets for a gun she inherited from her father, install an electronic fence, warn her neighbors of threats and unleash her pit bull to roam freely on the property of the small cabin in the mountains of upstate New York where she lives alone.

She also brought security along for the trial this week and last May and said she’d thought often about hiring security more often to accompany her.


“Why don’t you?” her attorney, Roberta Kaplan — no relation to the judge — asked.


“Can’t afford it,” Carroll answered.


She took the stand after a hostile encounter between Habba and the judge — culminating in Trump’s desk slam — over his refusal to adjourn the trial on Thursday so Trump could attend the funeral for former first lady Melania Trump’s mother, Amalija Knavs, who died last week.


Habba called Judge Kaplan’s ruling “insanely prejudicial” and the judge soon afterward cut her off, saying he would “hear no further argument on it.”


Habba told the judge: “I don’t like to be spoken to that way, your honor.” When she mentioned the funeral again, the judge responded: “It’s denied. Sit down.”

Carroll’s testimony came nine months after she was in the same chair convincing a jury in the hopes that Trump could be held accountable in a way that would stop him from frequent verbal attacks against her.

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Former President Donald Trump waves as he leaves his apartment building in New York, Wednesday, Jan. 17, 2024. With Trump looking on, writer E. Jean Carroll testified Wednesday that the former president shattered her reputation and continues to inspire venom against her from strangers because she claimed he sexually abused her decades ago. (AP Photo/Seth Wenig)


Because the first jury found that Trump sexually abused Carroll in the 1990s and then defamed her in 2022, the new trial concerns only how much more — if anything — he’ll be ordered to pay her for other remarks he made in 2019 while he was president.

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Carroll accused Trump of forcing himself on her in a luxury department store dressing room in 1996. Then, she alleges, he publicly impugned her honesty, her motives and even her sanity after she told the story publicly in a 2019 memoir.


Trump, 77, asserts that nothing ever happened between him and Carroll, 80, and that he never met her. He says a 1987 party photo of them and their then-spouses “doesn’t count” because it was a momentary greeting.


Trump did not attend the previous trial in the case last May, when a jury found he had sexually abused and defamed Carroll and awarded her $5 million in damages. The jury said, however, that Carroll hadn’t proven her claim that Trump raped her.
Carroll is now seeking $10 million in compensatory damages and millions more in punitive damages.

The Associated Press typically does not name people who say they have been sexually assaulted unless they come forward publicly, as Carroll has done.

[Arturo Bandini]

That defense was a perfect in mediocrity.

How much of a fool you can be to trust a dude who just can't find any decent attorney to conduct his own problems to find a solution to your country's future ?

That level of agressive dumbness is just unmatched.

[GMDino]

He just doesn't ever get it.

Maybe if we make him the most powerful man in America AND give him total immunity he'll grow into the job?

[*Nately120*]

Didn't Trump do this sexual offense stuff when he was a Clinton-lovin' democrat NYC elitist? I can see why people would change their tune on him now, but should we really be giving people retroactive passes on this stuff just because we are now on their political team?