Trump Repeats Lie About Popular Vote in Meeting With Lawmakers

[CageTheBengal]

You know you have an ego conflict when you are butthurt about an election you won.

Seriously though you think a guy like this isn't going to put his own ego above everything else? He makes up fantasies and falsehoods just to prop up his ego.

Quote:WASHINGTON — President Trump used his first official meeting with congressional leaders on Monday to falsely claim that millions of unauthorized immigrants had robbed him of a popular vote majority, a return to his obsession with the election’s results even as he seeks support for his legislative agenda.

The claim, which he has made before on Twitter, has been judged untrue by numerous fact-checkers. The new president’s willingness to bring it up at a White House reception in the State Dining Room is an indication that he continues to dwell on the implications of his popular vote loss even after assuming power.

Mr. Trump appears to remain concerned that the public will view his victory — and his entire presidency — as illegitimate if he does not repeatedly challenge the idea that Americans were deeply divided about sending him to the White House to succeed President Barack Obama.

Mr. Trump received 304 electoral votes to capture the White House, but he fell almost three million votes short of Hillary Clinton in the popular vote. That reality appears to have bothered him since Election Day, prompting him to repeatedly complain that adversaries were trying to undermine him.

Moving into the White House appears not to have tempered that anxiety. Several people familiar with the closed-door meeting Monday night, who asked to remain anonymous in discussing a private conversation, said Mr. Trump used the opportunity to brag about his victory.

As part of that conversation, Mr. Trump asserted that between three million and five million unauthorized immigrants voted for Mrs. Clinton. That is similar to a Twitter message he posted in late November that said he would have won the popular vote “if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally.”

Voting officials across the country have said there is virtually no evidence of people voting illegally, and certainly not millions of them. White House officials did not respond to requests for a comment on Mr. Trump’s discussion of the issue.

Representative Steny H. Hoyer, Democrat of Maryland, who attended the meeting, said that Mr. Trump also talked about the size of the crowd for his Inaugural Address.

“It was a huge crowd, a magnificent crowd. I haven’t seen such a crowd as big as this,” Mr. Hoyer told CNN, quoting Mr. Trump. He added that Mr. Trump did not “spend a lot of time on that, but it was clear that it was still on his mind.”

The president’s comments about the election results and his inauguration came as he gathered the bipartisan leadership of Congress for a White House reception. He also sought to build support for an ambitious legislative agenda, despite days earlier castigating the very institution he needs to approve it.

Mr. Trump has said he intends to press Congress to move quickly to repeal and replace Mr. Obama’s health care law, pass a large investment in the nation’s infrastructure, make changes to the country’s immigration laws and overhaul the tax system.
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Senator John Cornyn, Republican of Texas, called the meeting a “good sort of get-to-know-you session” and noted that “relationships count for a lot in this business.”

Mr. Cornyn said he thought such sessions would be more frequent while Mr. Trump is in office than they were during Mr. Obama’s tenure. Mr. Obama famously disliked socializing with members of Congress.

Referring to Democrats, Mr. Cornyn said, “They said they’d never been over to the White House for anything like this before.”

Representative Nancy Pelosi of California, the Democratic leader, said it was an “interesting” meeting. Along with health care and infrastructure, she said they discussed China and currency manipulation, as well as issues involving intellectual property rights, which she said were a point of agreement.

“We talked about the Affordable Care Act and said what the Affordable Care Act has been successful in doing is improving quality, expanding access and lowering costs,” she told reporters. “And any proposal that they might have that does that, we’d be interested in hearing about.”

Even with Republicans in control of Congress, Mr. Trump will have to build relationships in a city that he spent more time mocking than praising during his campaign.

In his Inaugural Address, the president criticized the political establishment, saying the people assembled behind him — including the leaders he met with on Monday — had “reaped the rewards of government while the people have borne the cost.”

White House officials said the meeting was designed to press the lawmakers on the need to move quickly.

The reception included, among others, House Speaker Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin and Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the majority leader, as well as Ms. Pelosi and Senator Chuck Schumer of New York.

“The American people are frustrated with the lack of progress here in Washington, and the president wants no delay in addressing our most pressing issues,” said Sean Spicer, the White House press secretary. “He’s taking every opportunity to forge strong bonds with congressional leaders on both sides of the aisle.”

As the group sat around a dining room table for photographs, Mr. Trump described his interactions with lawmakers.

A “beautiful, beautiful relationship,” Mr. Trump told reporters.

That has not always been the case. Before Mr. Trump secured the Republican nomination, Mr. Ryan pointedly declined to endorse him. At one point, Mr. Ryan said he was “not ready” to back Mr. Trump after his remarks about women and Hispanics and because of his divergence from Republican orthodoxy.

That relationship slowly improved after Mr. Trump became the party’s nominee and later won the election to become the 45th president. Monday’s reception, officials said, was another step in that process.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/23/us/politics/donald-trump-congress-democrats.html?_r=0

[*bfine32*]

He sure is a knucklehead.

[*Nately120*]

(01-24-2017, 01:37 PM)bfine32 Wrote: He sure is a knucklehead.

Knuckleheaded like a fox.

[Dill]

(01-24-2017, 05:10 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Knuckleheaded like a fox.

In charge of the hen house now.

[Au165]

He can think it, but don't make a big deal about an election you won. The issue here is he is seriously wasting time and money to now "investigate" this when it really doesn't matter other than to his ego. He is making it worse by drawing continuous attention to it.

[GMDino]

(01-25-2017, 10:14 AM)Au165 Wrote: He can think it, but don't make a big deal about an election you won. The issue here is he is seriously wasting time and money to now "investigate" this when it really doesn't matter other than to his ego. He is making it worse by drawing continuous attention to it.

See I was thinking about all the money they would save by NOT investigating everything a Democrat does for the next four years.

Plus they stopped the Flint Investigation and are stopping a lot of other programs.

So they have plenty of money for any vanity project investigation the POTUS wants to cover his ego prove his was right find the truth

[Au165]

(01-25-2017, 10:21 AM)GMDino Wrote: See I was thinking about all the money they would save by NOT investigating everything a Democrat does for the next four years.

Plus they stopped the Flint Investigation and are stopping a lot of other programs.

So they have plenty of money for any vanity project investigation the POTUS wants to cover his ego prove his was right find the truth

"Trump himself -- through his lawyers -- have also argued that there was no evidence of voter fraud in the 2016 election. In a court filing objecting to Green Party candidate Jill Stein's Michigan recount petition, lawyers for the president wrote, "All available evidence suggests that the 2016 general election was not tainted by fraud or mistake.""

So either there was fraud, or there wasn't, which is it?

[BmorePat87]

It's a dog and pony show. His lawyers argued in legal documents that there was no evidence of fraud when Stein asked for recounts. He'll still waste money and investigate. His flock wants to see this, though.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/25/politics/trump-calls-for-major-investigation-into-voter-fraud/

[*michaelsean*]

(01-25-2017, 10:14 AM)Au165 Wrote: He can think it, but don't make a big deal about an election you won. The issue here is he is seriously wasting time and money to now "investigate" this when it really doesn't matter other than to his ego. He is making it worse by drawing continuous attention to it.

Well one could argue that it's money well spent if he's doing this and not something else.

[GMDino]

Here ya go.  Problem solved.

https://mediamatters.org/video/2017/01/24/trump-press-secretary-media-disposition-should-be-trump-correct-unless-we-can-prove-otherwise/215116

Quote:Trump Press Secretary: The Media "Disposition Should Be" Trump Is Correct "Unless We Can Prove Otherwise" 

Quote:SEAN SPICER: Well I think -- there is this -- what I get frustrated with is the double standard in rush to click instead of get it right. Look we all make mistakes. I make them all the time. And I think that what has happened is there is this predisposition in the media to, especially with this president to assume he can't do certain things. He wasn't going to run, he's wasn't going to file, he couldn't win a primary, he wasn't going to get of the field, that he couldn't win Michigan, he wouldn't win Iowa, why is he wasting his time in Pennsylvania? Then he didn't win this. And this vote was going to happen and now the nominees aren't going to get through. In every case, he's  defied the odds and won. And I think the interesting thing is, at some point, the disposition should be he is going to do it unless we can prove otherwise. He has shown through every step of the way that he's going to win. And so it just seems to me it's just odd that if those are the odds, if you are looking at his track record, the track record is a proven track record of success and winning. And yet, the media's default is on every scenario, whether it's hasn't nominees getting through or winning a primary or him accomplishing something,its immediately negative and a failure.

Now if he says BOTH things (there was/wasn't fraud) he HAS to right!

[Griever]

(01-25-2017, 10:41 AM)GMDino Wrote: Here ya go.  Problem solved.

https://mediamatters.org/video/2017/01/24/trump-press-secretary-media-disposition-should-be-trump-correct-unless-we-can-prove-otherwise/215116



Now if he says BOTH things (there was/wasn't fraud) he HAS to right!

oh i cant wait to see what white spice has to say if they do a press conference today concerning trumps actions on the wall

[CKwi88]

Trump seems like a very insecure guy. Between the campaign and now this constant infatuation with insignificant things like the inauguration crowd and not accepting that he got destroyed in the popular vote.

It makes me worry about his composure as president.

[CageTheBengal]

(01-25-2017, 02:11 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: Trump seems like a very insecure guy. Between the campaign and now this constant infatuation with insignificant things like the inauguration crowd and not accepting that he got destroyed in the popular vote.

It makes me worry about his composure as president.

We all should be. He is ego first and anyone that will challenge is ego he will try to pulverize into dust.

[CKwi88]

(01-25-2017, 04:18 PM)CageTheBengal Wrote: We all should be. He is ego first and anyone that will challenge is ego he will try to pulverize into dust.

Exactly.

Throughout Trump's career he has been able to use his vast wealth and the judicial system to quell criticism about him. It will be interesting to see how he handles a position where he can't really run from criticism or throw money at it to go away.

[*michaelsean*]

(01-25-2017, 04:27 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: Exactly.

Throughout Trump's career he has been able to use his vast wealth and the judicial system to quell criticism about him. It will be interesting to see how he handles a position where he can't really run from criticism or throw money at it to go away.

You'd think he could go the ultra ego route and say, "I'm the effing President and what you say is irrelevant and not worthy of a response."  

[GMDino]

(01-25-2017, 05:24 PM)michaelsean Wrote: You'd think he could go the ultra ego route and say, "I'm the effing President and what you say is irrelevant and not worthy of a response."  

He can't.  He has to have the acceptance that goes along with it.

He's not a dictator.  He's a child.

[*michaelsean*]

(01-25-2017, 05:27 PM)GMDino Wrote: He can't.  He has to have the acceptance that goes along with it.

He's not a dictator.  He's a child.

Hell I'm a nobody sitting at a desk and I do it all the time. 

[Mike M (the other one)]

Fools all of you, he's eliminating fraud now, so he can win again in 2020.

[Belsnickel]

(01-25-2017, 07:33 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Fools all of you, he's eliminating fraud now, so he can win again in 2020.

Sure about that? I mean, wasn't it Bannon, Trump's daughter Tiffany, and Mnuchin that were registered in two different states? Seems the fraud they are finding already points to it being in his favor, meaning his vote count could be lower.

[Benton]

(01-25-2017, 07:33 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Fools all of you, he's eliminating fraud now, so he can win again in 2020.

everything I've read that's not obviously partisan over the last couple decades says voter fraud happens, its about equal to the two major parties and its negligible to most outcomes. Trump may very well win another term; voter fraud will have nothing to do with it.