There are stories today about DJT backing off his threat to close the southern border, how he never cancelled NAFTA, he's waiting to work on his "great" health care plan until 2021 and others.
Do any of you think this is him finally understanding that he can't bluff his way through government to get his way or just his normal throwing everything at the wall and blustering about it and then saying he never said that when he doesn't get the applause he thought it would get?
Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
I think the healthcare thing was put to him like this, "You will lose on this issue in such a historical fashion you will be remembered for that singular blunder forever." Seriously, the part wants the healthcare thing to go away and bringing it up set them up to take a beating in 2020. I think the issue now though is he has declared they will look at it in 2021, so he has in essence brought it up anyways. All talk will be that if he is re elected he will gut healthcare and so on, in my mind the damage is done because he will have to take a stance on it during the campaign.
It would be nice if he would just be President. We could agree or disagree on things he wants to do without all of the nonsense that is brought on by his presentation. If you want to do something about the border, then propose something rational. Not, we have to close down the entire border with tanks and missiles and build the biggest most beautiful wall using Guatemalan orphans. Than people can say, yes we need to do something, or no I don't think it's the problem others think it is.
“History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure.”-Thurgood Marshall
(04-03-2019, 09:43 AM)michaelsean Wrote: It would be nice if he would just be President. We could agree or disagree on things he wants to do without all of the nonsense that is brought on by his presentation. If you want to do something about the border, then propose something rational. Not, we have to close down the entire border with tanks and missiles and build the biggest most beautiful wall using Guatemalan orphans. Than people can say, yes we need to do something, or no I don't think it's the problem others think it is.
I agree. But this is who people wanted to be POTUS. He has not changed one bit from how he acted and talked for the previous three or four decades.
He was supported because "He says what he means" and "isn't a politician".
Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
Anyone remember when he said, a week or two before the 2018 midterm elections, that he was preparing a tax cut for middle income families that will go in right before the midterms (despite the fact that Congress was on recess until after the election) but then he said it would be voted on directly after the midterm election.
And then we never heard about that tax cut ever again, as far as I know.
This is just something Trump does. He promises things he has no intention of following through on with the hope that it influences people to do what he wants in the short term. They don't have a plan for health care.
They had complete control of the Congress for the first two years of his presidency and couldn't come up with anything other than the skinny repeal which was essentially a band aid that would likely end up costing more money and more people to lose their insurance.
If they had something new that could get through Congress, they'd propose it now. This is just a delaying tactic. A cliffhanger style approach to getting votes. It's basically political click bait. "If you want health care, re-elect me and see what I have in store!"
It didn't work in 2018 and I don't think it'll work in 2020 either.
(04-03-2019, 09:50 AM)GMDino Wrote: I agree. But this is who people wanted to be POTUS. He has not changed one bit from how he acted and talked for the previous three or four decades.
He was supported because "He says what he means" and "isn't a politician".
Actually, if you look at our thread on the EC Trump is the president the states wanted. The people wanted the other crap candidate.
(04-03-2019, 09:58 AM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: Anyone remember when he said, a week or two before the 2018 midterm elections, that he was preparing a tax cut for middle income families that will go in right before the midterms (despite the fact that Congress was on recess until after the election) but then he said it would be voted on directly after the midterm election.
And then we never heard about that tax cut ever again, as far as I know.
This is just something Trump does. He promises things he has no intention of following through on with the hope that it influences people to do what he wants in the short term. They don't have a plan for health care.
They had complete control of the Congress for the first two years of his presidency and couldn't come up with anything other than the skinny repeal which was essentially a band aid that would likely end up costing more money and more people to lose their insurance.
If they had something new that could get through Congress, they'd propose it now. This is just a delaying tactic. A cliffhanger style approach to getting votes. It's basically political click bait. "If you want health care, re-elect me and see what I have in store!"
It didn't work in 2018 and I don't think it'll work in 2020 either.
Well he can't actually propose anything to Congress. Someone has to do it for him, and with the loss of the House maybe nobody thought it had a chance. Or he was just making it up.
“History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure.”-Thurgood Marshall
(04-03-2019, 10:16 AM)Nately120 Wrote: Actually, if you look at our thread on the EC Trump is the president the states wanted*. The people wanted the other crap candidate.
*certain states.
Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
Healthcare could be a huge blow this election for Republicans. They tried to abolish the ACA for years. When they finally could, they couldn't agree on a replacement because they never actually made one. Now they're dismantling it piece by piece without a backup and promising something beautiful if they get reelected.
(04-03-2019, 10:52 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Healthcare could be a huge blow this election for Republicans. They tried to abolish the ACA for years. When they finally could, they couldn't agree on a replacement because they never actually made one. Now they're dismantling it piece by piece without a backup and promising something beautiful if they get reelected.
From a marketing standpoint, the GOP did a great job of convincing people the ACA was just a flat-out nightmare of socialist proportions. I can't imagine people who want the ACA gone at any cost give a toss about specific replacement plans since they've been conditioned to believe that anything/nothing would be a better alternative.
It's sort of the mindset non-Trump supporters have about the 2020 election. Who do you want to be president? Who cares, as long as it isn't Trump.
Or how about Bengals fans and Marvin Lewis? Who do you want to be the HC in 2019? Who cares, as long as it isn't Marvin. Also, who will run the team after Mike Brown stops? Who cares, as long as it isn't Mike Brown!
and so on.
(04-03-2019, 12:01 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Trump never "backs down" from anything. Anything he proposes that does not happen is because the media would not allow it.
Trump complaining that the election was rigged against him during the actual campaign didn't exactly fill me with hope that he'd take accountability as president, I must admit.
Well he's a con. And his supporters have been repeatedly told. At this point they like playing the fool and getting conned and it clearly works as Americans have known he was a con for years and still voted for him.
It's hard to even blame Trump. Behind closed doors he probably laughs at how dumb his supporters are.
Well he already mocked them for not turning on him even if he shot someone in the middle of the street. So you know the character (or lack thereof) of the people that support him.
And he also knows.
Quote:"Success doesn’t mean every single move they make is good" ~ Anonymous "Let not the dumb have to educate" ~ jj22
(04-03-2019, 04:00 PM)jj22 Wrote: Well he's a con. And his supporters have been repeatedly told. At this point they like playing the fool and getting conned and it clearly works as Americans have known he was a con for years and still voted for him.
It's hard to even blame Trump. Behind closed doors he probably laughs at how dumb his supporters are.
Well he already mocked them for not turning on him even if he shot someone in the middle of the street. So you know the character (or lack thereof) of the people that support him.
And he also knows.
Trump is like the right wing version of John Lennon. Both seem to really get off spouting non sense and watching their fans do backflips trying to explain why it is all genius level stuff.
(04-03-2019, 10:40 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Trump is like the right wing version of John Lennon. Both seem to really get off spouting non sense and watching their fans do backflips trying to explain why it is all genius level stuff.
Jeez, that was some unexpected John Lennon hate right here.
(04-04-2019, 01:18 AM)hollodero Wrote: Jeez, that was some unexpected John Lennon hate right here.
At least he could sing
Yeah that came out of the blue. He's fighting some serious John Lennon demons.
“History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure.”-Thurgood Marshall
(04-04-2019, 08:59 AM)GMDino Wrote: He must have read this biography. Lennon was a bit of an arse to say the least. lol.
Great musician and had some good ideas, but definitely a fool in many ways.
I'm super fond of the Beatles and Lennon, I just realized that he was an arse who was actively trolling his blind worshippers here and there.
I didn't need to read anything specifically to come to this conclusion. He supposedly wrote I am the walrus to see if his fans could force themselves to find genius in its nonsense, and I wouldn't be surprised of at least half of the crazy screaming yoko did was a jab at how blindly loyal some of his fans were.
I like him, I just seem to get more of his cynicism about fame than most...er, I think.
(04-04-2019, 09:26 AM)Nately120 Wrote: I'm super fond of the Beatles and Lennon, I just realized that he was an arse who was actively trolling his blind worshippers here and there.
I didn't need to read anything specifically to come to this conclusion. He supposedly wrote I am the walrus to see if his fans could force themselves to find genius in its nonsense, and I wouldn't be surprised of at least half of the crazy screaming yoko did was a jab at how blindly loyal some of his fans were.
I like him, I just seem to get more of his cynicism about fame than most...er, I think.
BS. I am the walrus spoke directly to me. A walrus lives on land and in water, and neither one is truly home. Following the summer of love, I didn't know where I truly belonged. At home on the farm, or out west with the counter-culture. As I was fat with big teeth it seemed neither wanted me. Finally I admitted I was the walrus, but even that wasn't good enough and people yelled, "No you're not." I couldn't even qualify as a walrus to these people.
“History teaches that grave threats to liberty often come in times of urgency, when constitutional rights seem too extravagant to endure.”-Thurgood Marshall
(04-04-2019, 09:26 AM)Nately120 Wrote: I'm super fond of the Beatles and Lennon, I just realized that he was an arse who was actively trolling his blind worshippers here and there.
I didn't need to read anything specifically to come to this conclusion. He supposedly wrote I am the walrus to see if his fans could force themselves to find genius in its nonsense, and I wouldn't be surprised of at least half of the crazy screaming yoko did was a jab at how blindly loyal some of his fans were.
I like him, I just seem to get more of his cynicism about fame than most...er, I think.
Me too and you're spot on with your assessment of him. I didn't know that much about him as a person until I read that though.
Yoko, however, really believes she is an "artist" and there is nothing fake about how she "performs".
Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
(04-04-2019, 09:40 AM)michaelsean Wrote: BS. I am the walrus spoke directly to me. A walrus lives on land and in water, and neither one is truly home. Following the summer of love, I didn't know where I truly belonged. At home on the farm, or out west with the counter-culture. As I was fat with big teeth it seemed neither wanted me. Finally I admitted I was the walrus, but even that wasn't good enough and people yelled, "No you're not." I couldn't even qualify as a walrus to these people.
(04-04-2019, 09:50 AM)GMDino Wrote: Me too and you're spot on with your assessment of him. I didn't know that much about him as a person until I read that though.
Yoko, however, really believes she is an "artist" and there is nothing fake about how she "performs".
I was born in 81 and my parents were a couple of ex pseudo-hippies with a sweet LP collection, so I learned a lot about culture and what not via music. I remember asking my ol man why Yoko was allowed to scream during songs and what not and he said something to the tune of "Part of it is that he likes her and respects her art, and part of it is him wanting to see what he can get away with." I also recall finding out what gay meant thanks to listening to Rocket Man by Elton John, hearing the part where he says he misses his wife, and asking my mom who Elton John's wife is to which she matter of factly replied that he is a homosexual. I was like, 8 or 9 at the time and I was just like "Oh ok." So as far as I knew, gay people lived in big cities and wore ruby-studded platform shoes and made kick ass albums.
But back to my main point, the more I think about it, the more Lennon's off-handed quip about the Beatles being bigger than Jesus reminds me of Trump's "I could shoot someone" quip. In both cases there is a certain amount of criticism and amazement at the levels of unquestioned popularity they're getting. I guess it makes sense that we put a celebrity in the white house and I start drawing lines to another homophobic, misogynistic, and ultra-paranoid celebrity who had a thing for looking down his nose at his fan-base, though.
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