Trump booed at World Series

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(11-01-2019, 01:23 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Here is a really big problem. You have already basically stated you will blindly follow. (See posts in this thread.)

And then here you are gleefully getting in line with your party...Disregarding reality and unable to confront a potential problem presented by a combat veteran who holds a different view than your own. So your blind allegiance is going right past country and straight to party. 

And right now your party is led by a... conman believe it or not. It is well documented. Many lawsuits. Fake scam college, fake scam charity, bankrupted casinos, housing discrimination, fraudulently taking money from 9/11 funds... I mean the list is INSANELY LONG. It makes me question if trumpets comprehend reality. I am starting to doubt it. 

Or maybe it isn't that they don't/can't comprehend reality. Its just that they are so broken/brainwashed/blindly following party over county that it doesn't matter.

Kind of exposes the reality of how well the broken corrupt two party system is working. Scarily well

I and others also followed Obama, Bush Jr, Clinton, Bush Sr, Regan...it was/is not an issue of "gleefully following party lines"; nor is it a case of being brainwashed. Perhaps you've watched The Men Who Stare at Goats one time too many.

[Dill]

(10-30-2019, 10:04 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: As I wrote earlier, we have entered the age of a second Cold War. Putin has successfully undermined American’s faith in a free press. Putin has successfully waged a misinformation and propaganda campaign using social media platforms. Putin has successfully waged electronic warfare to hack political networks to influence our political system to install his preferred candidate in the highest political office in the land. Putin’s preferred candidate has attacked our media, intelligence agencies, law enforcement agencies, the State Department, our foreign diplomats, and even individual active duty soldiers sworn to defend America, among others. Putin is using women and money to influence lobbyists to influence politicians. Withholding aid to the Ukraine furthers Russia’s foreign policy in the region, not the United States’.  Withdrawing American military forces from Syria and abandoning the Kurds furthers Russia’s foreign policy in the region, not the United States’.

People, especially politicians, need to wake the F up to Putin’s game.

B-but Hillary . . . ! She and Obama made it look like Putin.

Barr is investigating as we speak . . . emerging details . . .  Server in Ukraine!!

[fredtoast]

(11-01-2019, 11:37 AM)bfine32 Wrote: I and others also followed Obama, Bush Jr, Clinton, Bush Sr, Regan...it was/is not an issue of "gleefully following party lines"; nor is it a case of being brainwashed. Perhaps you've watched The Men Who Stare at Goats one time too many.

The only military people I don't respect are the ones who try to act like they speak for everyone who has ever been in the military.  This was especially galling to me during the "kneeling during the anthem" debate.  Tons of self-righteous conservative Republican vets claiming the only reason they were upset was because they were military vets or their family members were.  But the fact is that there were lots of vets who had no problem with the kneeling during the anthem.

So when I hear some person claiming that he only opposes booing Trump because he is a military vet and was taught different I see right through that BS.  There are plenty of vets who would boo Trump.

So while I respect honorable vets, I am disgusted by vets who try to claim their own personal bias should be respected just because they are vets.

If you want any respect from me stop wrapping yourself in the flag to try and justify your defense of a guy who brags about being an asshole.

[Dill]

(11-01-2019, 03:07 PM)fredtoast Wrote: The only military people I don't respect are the ones who try to act like they speak for everyone who has ever been in the military.  This was especially galling to me during the "kneeling during the anthem" debate.  Tons of self-righteous conservative Republican vets claiming the only reason they were upset was because they were military vets or their family members were.  But the fact is that there were lots of vets who had no problem with the kneeling during the anthem.

So when I hear some person claiming that he only opposes booing Trump because he is a military vet and was taught different I see right through that BS.  There are plenty of vets who would boo Trump.

So while I respect honorable vets, I am disgusted by vets who try to claim their own personal bias should be respected just because they are vets.

If you want any respect from me stop wrapping yourself in the flag to try and justify your defense of a guy who brags about being an asshole.

Military folks tend towards the conservative side for sure, but there are also "liberals" and Democrats and the like all up and down the ranks.  Some vets say they defended the US so people have a right to salute the flag or not. Authoritarian personality can/does flourish in the military, but it's still not a monolith. Unevenly distributed among the branches too. (LOL Yeah Marines. I'm lookin' at you!)

On my observation, many loved Bush at first, but as it became clearer that the Iraq war was unnecessary there was a great deal of grumbling about that. That didn't turn anti-Obamites back to Obama, but against "politicians in general."  "Both sides" were untrustworthy.  That's the Fox advantage; even if they don't vote Repub, they don't change sides. Hillary. Benghazi. Prep for an "outsider" to run for office and do even worse.

I have known some who loved Trump and look past statements about McCain that would have gotten Obama lynched.  A lot are confused though. Whole families understand that Trump could put their loved one in harm's way on a conspiracy-inspired whim, against advice of military advisors, but he is not Hillary and "loves the military." 

You know, there is a difference between enlisted and officers, too. Officers cannot publicly criticize or contradict the president and cabinet officials at all.  I remember when Clinton was heading towards impeachment and a group of Marine officers got in trouble for publicly calling for his impeachment.   https://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/10/20/commander/

You may remember that some military swallowed the birther crock so deeply they refused to deploy because Obama could not be a legitimate president. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/stefan-frederick-cook-sol_n_231383  One was even an officer.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/birther-terry-lakin-dismissed-army-sentenced-months-prison/story?id=12414886

From this history, it seems "respect for the office" has a lot to do with who is in office.

It must astonish civilians that Trump has yet to inspire OBama/Clinton levels of revulsion in the military.  But I'm guessing lots of staff officers know very well the danger of a leader who knows more than the generals and is desperately looking to foreign policy for a domestic "win." Lots of inner conflict among military members these days.  And vets.

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(11-01-2019, 03:07 PM)fredtoast Wrote: The only military people I don't respect are the ones who try to act like they speak for everyone who has ever been in the military.  This was especially galling to me during the "kneeling during the anthem" debate.  Tons of self-righteous conservative Republican vets claiming the only reason they were upset was because they were military vets or their family members were.  But the fact is that there were lots of vets who had no problem with the kneeling during the anthem.

So when I hear some person claiming that he only opposes booing Trump because he is a military vet and was taught different I see right through that BS.  There are plenty of vets who would boo Trump.

So while I respect honorable vets, I am disgusted by vets who try to claim their own personal bias should be respected just because they are vets.

If you want any respect from me stop wrapping yourself in the flag to try and justify your defense of a guy who brags about being an asshole.

I could give 2 shits if you respect me. I would be appreciative if you respected service members for their sacrifices. It is why I particularly like "Thank you for your Service". Nowhere have I said all Veterans support my POV. There's a veteran in this very forum and we agree on nothing. But I respect and thank him and others for their service.

[Dill]

(11-01-2019, 04:54 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I could give 2 shits if you respect me. I would be appreciative if you respected service members for their sacrifices. It is why I particularly like "Thank you for your Service". Nowhere have I said all Veterans support my POV. There's a veteran in this very forum and we agree on nothing. But I thank him and others for their service.

Bfine, I'm pretty sure most of us respect vets in general as you respect 'the office' of the president, no matter who is in it. Most of us also respect you for your particular service as well, even as we disagree with you. 

As one of your biggest critics, I still think you are trying to do the right thing most of the time and it's generally worth trying to understand where you are coming from. No need to respond. Just know the respect is there alongside my critical comments

[fredtoast]

(11-01-2019, 04:54 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I would be appreciative if you respected service members for their sacrifices.

Sorry, I can't do that.

If a vet is beating his wife I am not going to say "I can't yell at him because he is a veteran."

If the President acts like an asshole I am not going to say "I can't boo him because he is the President."

A asshole who served in the military is still an asshole just like an asshole who gets elected President is still an asshole.

[ballsofsteel]

(11-01-2019, 04:54 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I could give 2 shits if you respect me. I would be appreciative if you respected service members for their sacrifices. It is why I particularly like "Thank you for your Service". Nowhere have I said all Veterans support my POV. There's a veteran in this very forum and we agree on nothing. But I respect and thank him and others for their service.

Hi, just curious, does the thousands of vets whose only reason for joining the service was because they graduated high school, couldn't get a decent job and thought they would join up, see the world and use the gi bill for college when they get out. Or how about the thousands of service people that never left the states?  Do I have to still thank them for their service even though Protecting someone's right was the farthing thing from their mind?
If the above two don't apply to you, Thank you for your service.

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(11-01-2019, 06:11 PM)ballsofsteel Wrote: Hi, just curious, does the thousands of vets whose only reason for joining the service was because they graduated high school, couldn't get a decent job and thought they would join up, see the world and use the gi bill for college when they get out. Or how about the thousands of service people that never left the states?  Do I have to still thank them for their service even though Protecting someone's right was the farthing thing from their mind?
If the above two don't apply to you, Thank you for your service.

You don't have to thank anyone. Just understand why you don't have to and maybe you will

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(11-01-2019, 05:54 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Sorry, I can't do that.

If a vet is beating his wife I am not going to say "I can't yell at him because he is a veteran."

If the President acts like an asshole I am not going to say "I can't boo him because he is the President."

A asshole who served in the military is still an asshole just like an asshole who gets elected President is still an asshole.

We'll just go with you want to argue something not said and chose not to address the things that were

[Dill]

(11-01-2019, 06:11 PM)ballsofsteel Wrote: Hi, just curious, does the thousands of vets whose only reason for joining the service was because they graduated high school, couldn't get a decent job and thought they would join up, see the world and use the gi bill for college when they get out. Or how about the thousands of service people that never left the states?  Do I have to still thank them for their service even though Protecting someone's right was the farthing thing from their mind?
If the above two don't apply to you, Thank you for your service.

I have a comment on that. Yeah, lots of people join up for reasons having nothing to do with ideals of service. A number are sucked in too, by artful recruiters.  ("See the world"--through the windows of an MRAP. LOL)
 
If you wanted to kill Al Qaeda or serve because it was "the right thing to do" back in 2001 or 2003, you could still (unhappily) serve your time in the US, or the reasonable comfort and safety of SK and Germany.  Because YOU didn't get to decide whether and where you deploy. That's part of why they call it "serving." On the flipside, people who just wanted jobs and travel sometimes found A-stan their first vacation stop. And if they were in Helmand, Kandahar or a Paki-border province, they were some distance from comfortable and safe, whatever their job. (For a full year if Army.)

I don't walk around saying "thank you for your service." (Don't like how the phrase was politicized back in 2003.) I agree there are differences in sacrifice among service members (as some of them never tire of reminding others). But I would encourage civilians to accord a basic respect everyone who put on the uniform and went to bootcamp, where they found out it's not just another job as their bodies and personalities were broken down and reconstructed as soldiers or marines or sailors or airmen who could be called upon/ordered to do their duty, whatever call came.  Not their fault if they were plugged into a motor pool in Maryland instead of a rifle squad in Fallujah. 

So in my view, wherever located or whatever was on their mind about service before, during or after, both groups (and the families who supported them) were engaged in national defense and deserve their GI bill if they served with honor.

Don't have to call them all "heros"; just basic respect. If some individual vet tries inappropriately to leverage extra authority out of his service in a political argument, don't jump to talk of "all vets" or place group honor on the line. Doesn't mean you can't stop a vet from beating his wife, or even demand ordinary civility from him. Just my three cents.  

[GMDino]

Trump makes sure to refer to Obama as "Barack Hussein Obama." He then calls him lazy.

"He was all over the place. It was the only time I've actually seen him work hard, when he came trying to beat Trump," he says. pic.twitter.com/K0xjEec5PT

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) November 2, 2019

 

[Dill]

Curious to see whether and with what intensity the chant continues in future rallies as the impeachment process continues.

Will enough Trump supporters see the risk/irony to water it down or even quit?

[GMDino]

Damn UFC Fan Elites!  Wait...what?

Trump getting booed at UFC! LMAO! Even there?! pic.twitter.com/qzISfRBOfq

— Adam Parkhomenko (@AdamParkhomenko) November 3, 2019

 

President Trump getting massively booed as he entered the Garden for #UFC244 pic.twitter.com/ZwmSxlQ4uL

— Rob Taub (@RTaub_) November 3, 2019

 

[Belsnickel]

(11-04-2019, 10:27 AM)GMDino Wrote: Damn UFC Fan Elites!  Wait...what?

Trump getting booed at UFC! LMAO! Even there?! pic.twitter.com/qzISfRBOfq

— Adam Parkhomenko (@AdamParkhomenko) November 3, 2019

 

President Trump getting massively booed as he entered the Garden for #UFC244 pic.twitter.com/ZwmSxlQ4uL

— Rob Taub (@RTaub_) November 3, 2019

 

I had this sort of reaction when my wife told me about this. I was like "wait, what? I mean, a baseball game in DC I get, but a UFC event!?"

[GMDino]

(11-04-2019, 10:39 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: I had this sort of reaction when my wife told me about this. I was like "wait, what? I mean, a baseball game in DC I get, but a UFC event!?"

The spin from Trump's kids was great. 

AS an aside White thanks Trump for supporting him and the UFC when no one else would by hosting events and such, and I couldn't help but think that Trump must not have invested actually money or the UFC would have failed miserably.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(10-28-2019, 09:06 PM)bfine32 Wrote: As to Trump: He reaps what he sows. I can forgive the common folks acting in such a manner; as he has done numerous things beneath the office of POTUS. I don't agree with it; as I think the position (if not the man) deserves a degree of respect. But yeah, the anti-Trumps surrendered any morale high ground quite a while back.

As to the hate: I find it more disturbing when folks simply trying to do their jobs are slurred simply because they work(ed) for Trump. For instance Khamala refusing to attend the event this past weekend because someone she disagreed with was asked to speak; is petty.

Yeah, it's disturbing when folks like LTC Vindman who is simply trying to do his job as part of the NSC is slurred by Trump simply because he works for Trump.

NEW: President Trump threatens to expose information about Lt. Col. Vindman. Watch. pic.twitter.com/pEmUlJkqvB

— Kelly O'Donnell (@KellyO) November 3, 2019

[CJD]

(11-04-2019, 10:39 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: I had this sort of reaction when my wife told me about this. I was like "wait, what? I mean, a baseball game in DC I get, but a UFC event!?"

For what it's worth, the UFC match was in New York, so a lot of liberals. But you're right that the UFC demographic should be fiercely in Trump's corner. Very bizarre.

[*bfine32*]

Seems the winning team had a good time at the White House;
https://sports.yahoo.com/kurt-suzuki-after-wearing-maga-hat-to-white-house-everybody-makes-everything-political-040040467.html

Of course it triggered some.

[GMDino]

(11-05-2019, 12:44 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Seems the winning team had a good time at the White House;
https://sports.yahoo.com/kurt-suzuki-after-wearing-maga-hat-to-white-house-everybody-makes-everything-political-040040467.html

Of course it triggered some.

The ones who went.

Trump seemed to have too good of a time...

Washington @Nationals catcher Kurt Suzuki donned a MAGA hat during the team's White House visit on Monday, prompting President Trump to hug the 36-year-old major leaguer. https://t.co/m5GjEajlTQ

— Twitter Moments (@TwitterMoments) November 4, 2019

 





Based on what Trump thinks he can "just grab" he must not think much of that guy.