Trump, lets move on

[HarleyDog]

(08-10-2022, 12:52 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Then you should, like many conservatives, admit that Trump is a damaged loser and move on.

Your funny Mr. Nate.

[*Nately120*]

(08-10-2022, 12:58 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: Your funny Mr. Nate.

I have been told I'm funny and I've been known to joke, but if you legitimately want DeSantis to win you should move on from Trump.  Acting like he's some sort of excellent candidate that the left fears and that he's been cheated and wronged and will easily win in 2024 isn't helping DeSantis and might cost the GOP the white house yet again.

The 2020 election should have taught conservatives that plugging your ears and saying "Trump can't lose" isn't a knockout recipe for success.

[HarleyDog]

(08-10-2022, 12:56 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I don't actually.  You act like there isn't a single politician who can pass a background check, and I think that's just a cop out to justify that you support a politician who has been caught, admitted to, and is being investigated for a litany of crimes, transgressions, and flat-out shittiness.

I guess I get your mindset, if you call that logic.  

No, it's not a cop out. Dems have thrown everything at the wall hoping something sticks. Being investigated doesn't mean anything. As for politicians, I don't trust any of them but just like prostitutes, you may not like them, but if you need laid you pick the best available and since Biden and the lefts performance has been appalling, I would have no choice but to vote for DT if he represented the Grand Old Party.

[*Nately120*]

(08-10-2022, 01:08 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: No, it's not a cop out. Dems have thrown everything at the wall hoping something sticks. Being investigated doesn't mean anything. As for politicians, I don't trust any of them but just like prostitutes, you may not like them, but if you need laid you pick the best available and since Biden and the lefts performance has been appalling, I would have no choice but to vote for DT if he represented the Grand Old Party.

A lot of the stuff conservatives dismiss against Trump occurred when he was a democrat.  Conservatives treat becoming a republican like some sort of born again clean slate thing.

Anyways, I said my piece.

[HarleyDog]

(08-10-2022, 01:04 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I have been told I'm funny and I've been known to joke, but if you legitimately want DeSantis to win you should move on from Trump.  Acting like he's some sort of excellent candidate that the left fears and that he's been cheated and wronged and will easily win in 2024 isn't helping DeSantis and might cost the GOP the white house yet again.

The 2020 election should have taught conservatives that plugging your ears and saying "Trump can't lose" isn't a knockout recipe for success.

Dude - I haven't claimed most of what you just said. You must have me confused with the thought process of Dill or Dino.

[*Nately120*]

(08-10-2022, 01:14 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: Dude - I haven't claimed most of what you just said. You must have me confused with the thought process of Dill or Dino.

....you say Trump is a lying crook like all the rest but investigations into him are empty and done because democrats fear him winning in 2024...don't you?  That seems to be your assertion.

[HarleyDog]

(08-10-2022, 01:19 PM)Nately120 Wrote: ....you say Trump is a lying crook like all the rest but investigations into him are empty and done because democrats fear him winning in 2024...don't you?  That seems to be your assertion.

Sorry, but it seems I have accidently contacted a foreign customer service agency who thinks they know what I'm talking about, but don't have a clue. Either that or a statistician. 

[*Nately120*]

(08-10-2022, 01:36 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: Sorry, but it seems I have accidently contacted a foreign customer service agency who thinks they know what I'm talking about, but don't have a clue. Either that or a statistician. 

I honestly can't tell if I legimately have your stances mistaken or if you are a by the book Trump fan in 2022 and I simply can't wrap my head around your reality.  

Either way, I guess you and I are both glad we don't see eye to eye and I guess that's what really matters. 

[HarleyDog]

(08-10-2022, 01:47 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I honestly can't tell if I legimately have your stances mistaken or if you are a by the book Trump fan in 2022 and I simply can't wrap my head around your reality.  

Either way, I guess you and I are both glad we don't see eye to eye and I guess that's what really matters. 

Yes, you moderately have mistaken me.  

[Dill]

(08-10-2022, 01:08 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: No, it's not a cop out. Dems have thrown everything at the wall hoping something sticks. Being investigated doesn't mean anything. As for politicians, I don't trust any of them but just like prostitutes, you may not like them, but if you need laid you pick the best available and since Biden and the lefts performance has been appalling, I would have no choice but to vote for DT if he represented the Grand Old Party.

A sincere question:


What counts as "appalling" here? 

DT is under investigation for wrongdoing in three states and the District of Columbia, for crimes ranging from tax evasion to mishandling/destruction of top secret documents to the overthrow of the government.
His party has supported his lawbreaking through two impeachments and the Russia investigation. Now some want to defund the FBI and suggest the FBI could have planted documents in Mar a Lago, continuing to present U.S. intel and legal institutions as "weaponized" against "the people." What would happen were he to return for four more years, out for vengeance? A return to national normalcy cannot be the expectation there, can it?

Biden and "the Left" have been working diligently to lower drug and health care costs, and to get the super rich to pay at least fraction of what the rest of us must pay in taxes. They backed vets against the GOP who would deny burn pit injury. They've also been working to repair the damage Trump et al. did to the U.S. international standing, including taking back East Asian/Pacific space Trump ceded to China. They are trying to restore faith in U.S. institutions, not tear them down to convert fear to votes and power.

So, following your analogy, why does Trump still look like the best "prostitute"? I can only think that prostitute must offer some special service the other prostitutes won't, and perhaps to special clients.  What is that service? Which clients want it?

[Dill]

(08-10-2022, 12:58 PM)CKwi88 Wrote: I don't get the "Dems don't want Trump to run" narrative. I think Trump running is the only way Dems win in 2024. It's probably taken everything in the GOP's power to get Trump to not announce before the 2022 midterms.

That's what people thought in 2016 as well.

I just watched a Daily Show interview with Trump supporters who believe that Obama did not kill Osama bin Laden and Biden did not kill Al Zawahiri. And Osama's real name was "Tim" and he was not Saudi but worked for the CIA.  

[*Nately120*]

(08-13-2022, 06:37 PM)Dill Wrote: That's what people thought in 2016 as well.

I just watched a Daily Show interview with Trump supporters who believe that Obama did not kill Osama bin Laden and Biden did not kill Al Zawahiri. And Osama's real name was "Tim" and he was not Saudi but worked for the CIA.  

Democrats have a better chance against Trump than DeSantis.  DeSantis will bring back the independent votes Trump has alienated since 2016. 

If Trump doesn't screw things up for the GOP DeSantis for 2 terms seems inevitable.

[treee]

(08-13-2022, 06:39 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Democrats have a better chance against Trump than DeSantis.  DeSantis will bring back the independent votes Trump has alienated since 2016. 

Anyone who unironically uses the phrase woke mob should be banned from office

[Stewy]

(08-13-2022, 06:37 PM)Dill Wrote: ..................

And Osama's real name was "Tim" and he was not Saudi but worked for the CIA.  

[guyofthetiger]

I probably won't vote for Trump in the Republican primary in 2024. I do think he was a good President, but ready for a change. I feel a lot of people feel like me. If another Republican wins, the press will treat him or her like Trump.

[hollodero]

(08-14-2022, 02:51 AM)guyofthetiger Wrote: I probably won't vote for Trump in the Republican primary in 2024. I do think he was a good President, but ready for a change. I feel a lot of people feel like me. If another Republican wins, the press will treat him or her like Trump.

I seriously doubt that. Not that all media will play nice, of course. But vou've got to admit Trump is not your average republican Joe, but a very special case, very controversial, very hostile in his choice of words, quite vulgar, foul-mouthed, not truthful, egocentric, braggadocious, all of that, it can't hagve escaped you completely. That he got a particular bad rep, in the media and in general, is largely on him. Would you totally disagree with that.

[Forever Spinning Vinyl]

(08-14-2022, 06:52 AM)hollodero Wrote: I seriously doubt that. Not that all media will play nice, of course. But vou've got to admit Trump is not your average republican Joe, but a very special case, very controversial, very hostile in his choice of words, quite vulgar, foul-mouthed, not truthful, egocentric, braggadocious, all of that, it can't hagve escaped you completely. That he got a particular bad rep, in the media and in general, is largely on him. Would you totally disagree with that.

It is amazing how the media knew in 1985 that he would be a threat to Democrats in 2016 so they portrayed him like a crude, lying, egotistical con artist that was only interested in getting exposure. That's how I disliked him 37 years ago and have seen nothing in the years since to make me move from my first impression of him.

[Dill]

(08-13-2022, 06:39 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Democrats have a better chance against Trump than DeSantis.  DeSantis will bring back the independent votes Trump has alienated since 2016. 

If Trump doesn't screw things up for the GOP DeSantis for 2 terms seems inevitable.

But will he attract the hardcore MAGA who may consider him a traitor? 

[*Nately120*]

(08-14-2022, 10:48 AM)Dill Wrote: But will he attract the hardcore MAGA who may consider him a traitor? 

I've brought this up before, that Trump could respond to the GOP moving on from him by screwing over the GOP in 2024 by running as a 3rd party or saying to write him in and if he doesnt win it's rigged. 

Trump's never lost a fight graciously, as far as I know.  He's not likely to say Ron beat Me said and square and you need to give him the support you'd give me. 

He's more likely to say the GOP is corrupt and Ron cheated and you need to send me money to fight this tyranny. 

[Dill]

(08-14-2022, 02:51 AM)guyofthetiger Wrote: I probably won't vote for Trump in the Republican primary in 2024. I do think he was a good President, but ready for a change. I feel a lot of people feel like me. If another Republican wins, the press will treat him or her like Trump.

You write as if the attention Trump received from the press were unrelated to his behavior, as if accuracy were unfair in his case.

If someone other than Trump is nominated, will we hear of him paying off porn stars, insulting women and accused of assaulting dozens more, insulting POWs, obstructing justice, praising dictators, mishandling classified intel, dissing immigrants from "shithole countries," pardoning cronies while firing whistleblowers, deserting allies in the field, withholding aid to force foreign leaders to investigate political rivals, and using his office to undermine free and fair elections?

My guess is no. For the most part.