05-08-2018, 03:12 PM
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What "crisis" on Mexican border?
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05-08-2018, 04:24 PM
(05-07-2018, 03:01 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Illegal crossing on the Mexican border are at the lowest levels EVER. Well, obviously there must be a crisis! Why else would we need a wall?
05-08-2018, 04:29 PM
05-08-2018, 07:13 PM
(05-08-2018, 12:54 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I see we are starting to get off track again. I don't think we've gotten off track as the OP was a laundry list of bad things that Trump has done. NO ONE is gonna get off of that track. But to answer your question. Perhaps Trump's rhetoric is the reason for the reduced illegal immigration, perhaps folks realize there is no more free chicken here. The premise of the OP is silly. Trump getting "blamed" for a good thing. Unless of course one is of the mindset that reduced illegal immigration is not a good thing. As to a crisis (I've got to give you one sentence you can extract for the whole post and ask a question about): What constitutes a crisis? isn't it in the eye of the beholder?
05-08-2018, 07:21 PM
05-08-2018, 07:32 PM
(05-08-2018, 08:39 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Let me lead you by the hands. Yes. You fap with your left hand!
05-08-2018, 10:51 PM
(05-08-2018, 07:21 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Because I personally know some of the owners of those businesses being raided. Have those businesses been fined or owners arrested? Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
05-09-2018, 12:55 AM
05-09-2018, 12:28 PM
05-09-2018, 12:31 PM
(05-08-2018, 07:13 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Perhaps Trump's rhetoric is the reason for the reduced illegal immigration, perhaps folks realize there is no more free chicken here. Perhaps you should look at the numbers before making these wild suggestions. Border arrests (the best measure we have for illegal crossings) peaked at 1.6 million in 2000. The numbers went down over the years and after Obama beefed up border security in '10 they dropped to 337 thousand in '11. In 2017 they reached an all time low of 303 thousand.
05-09-2018, 12:35 PM
(05-09-2018, 12:31 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Perhaps you should look at the numbers before making these wild suggestions. The recession had a good bit to do with that drop also. Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
05-09-2018, 01:12 PM
(05-09-2018, 12:31 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Perhaps you should look at the numbers before making these wild suggestions. Hell you're the one that posted the OP about how illegal crossing are at record lows. You asked for a suggestion to explain the dynamic of you OP and one was provided. Tell me what exactly you want me to say and I will say it to save time. Or you can just say it for me and I won't even have to chime in. Matter of fact let's roll with that option.
05-09-2018, 01:27 PM
(05-09-2018, 01:12 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Or you can just say it for me and I won't even have to chime in. Matter of fact let's roll with that option. (05-09-2018, 01:12 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Trump is desperate to rally support so he is resorting to fear mongering. He is making up claims of a "crisis" on the Mexican border so that he can "save" us from this crisis that does not exist with a multibillion dollar wall that will accomplish nothing.
05-09-2018, 01:39 PM
(05-09-2018, 12:28 PM)fredtoast Wrote: You mean "Isn't it true just because Trump says it is?" In the same vein "It's false just because Trump says its true" is also not how it works. Glad we could agree on something.
05-09-2018, 01:42 PM
(05-09-2018, 01:39 PM)PhilHos Wrote: In the same vein "It's false just because Trump says its true" is also not how it works. Given the amount of provable lies Trump tells one would have to take everything he says with a large grain of salt. Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
05-09-2018, 01:48 PM
(05-09-2018, 01:42 PM)GMDino Wrote: Given the amount of provable lies Trump tells one would have to take everything he says with a large grain of salt. You can be skeptical of everything Trump says (I'm pretty skeptical of anything ANY politician says nowadays) but you can't just say that something he said is untrue just because he said it.
05-09-2018, 02:01 PM
(05-09-2018, 01:48 PM)PhilHos Wrote: You can be skeptical of everything Trump says (I'm pretty skeptical of anything ANY politician says nowadays) but you can't just say that something he said is untrue just because he said it. While I am reminded of something a college friend used to say "There are not absolutes" there is the law of averages. Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self. |
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