Trump's First 100 Days

[*michaelsean*]

(03-01-2017, 04:24 PM)hollodero Wrote: I just figured he mentioned the wall; and serious question, do you think that (tariffs and cutting programs) is a realistic plan to fund all that? It's not "just" the wall, but all these other things too. Plus, he wants to bring down national debt too.

Again, not a sarcastic or trick question, I am just curious if one might think that can work out. (My stance is clear, I think it's all mere populism. But what do I know.)

Just  listen to any State of the Union.  It's a fantasy wishlist with very little mention of how it will be achieved.  I stopped watching them halfway through Bush's term.

[GMDino]

(03-01-2017, 04:16 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Didn't we spend close to a trillion dollars on infrastructure in 2009?  

No.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act_of_2009

Quote:Infrastructure

• Senate – $46 billion for transportation projects, including $27 billion for highway and bridge construction and repair and $11.5 billion for mass transit and rail projects; $4.6 billion for the Army Corps of Engineers; $5 billion for public housing improvements; $6.4 billion for clean and drinking water projects.
• House – $47 billion for transportation projects, including $27 billion for highway and bridge construction and repair and $12 billion for mass transit, including $7.5 billion to buy transit equipment such as buses; and $31 billion to build and repair federal buildings and other public infrastructures.
  

Quote:Infrastructure investment[edit]

Total: $105.3 billion

[*michaelsean*]

(03-01-2017, 04:26 PM)GMDino Wrote: No.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Recovery_and_Reinvestment_Act_of_2009

Oh that's right.  There were no shovel ready jobs and unions needed to be paid.  

[GMDino]

(03-01-2017, 04:39 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Oh that's right.  There were no shovel ready jobs and unions needed to be paid.  

No.

There was a trillion dollars split up over a bunch of areas...not all infrastructure.

We had a road redone under this bill right where we live.

[*michaelsean*]

(03-01-2017, 04:47 PM)GMDino Wrote: No.

There was a trillion dollars split up over a bunch of areas...not all infrastructure.

We had a road redone under this bill right where we live.

So how do you like pavement?

[GMDino]

(03-01-2017, 05:12 PM)michaelsean Wrote: So how do you like pavement?

They did a fine job.

[*michaelsean*]

(03-01-2017, 05:24 PM)GMDino Wrote: They did a fine job.

You can get potholes, but that beats tire ruts any day.

[Belsnickel]

(03-01-2017, 05:49 PM)michaelsean Wrote: You can get potholes, but that beats tire ruts any day.

One thing is for certain, this climate change bullshit sure is good for public works projects.

[Rotobeast]

(03-01-2017, 03:50 PM)hollodero Wrote: So since you brought it up - who pays for all this? What's the fiscally responsible plan here.

Very few in DC give a shit about the cost or where it comes from, anymore.

Justin Amash is in the lead for trying to change that.
Look him up and enjoy.

[Vas Deferens]

Not that anyone here would possibly defend him, but sources say their boy jeffy sessions was talking to the Russians early on.

I'm sure all the members here who call out others for a lack of military experience will acknowledge this hypocrisy.

[NATI BENGALS]

(03-02-2017, 04:07 AM)Vas Deferens Wrote: Not that anyone here would possibly defend him, but sources say their boy jeffy sessions was talking to the Russians early on.  

I'm sure all the members here who call out others for a lack of military experience will acknowledge this hypocrisy.

Come on man why are you ruining the good vibes? Just last night Trump put on his best acting clothes and pretended to be so presidential while reading perfectly a speech his psychological warfare agents I mean aides wrote. He even promised to care about clean air and water even though earlier in the day he loosened up on dumping coal ash. But still good vibes man and patriotism. Plus he can read.

Just because Sessions is a racist and lied under oath doesnt mean he should not be our attorney general. Honestly this scumbag deserves his own thread. 

[hollodero]

(03-02-2017, 01:52 AM)Rotobeast Wrote: Very few in DC give a shit about the cost or where it comes from, anymore.

Justin Amash is in the lead for trying to change that.
Look him up and enjoy.

I won't :) sorry. (OK I did, one more in Congress that doesn't speak up. As long as he goes along with the herd, it doesn't really matter what he tries and says.) I don' t really care about your debt. I just remember how one of the biggest arguments against Obama - or why America is a disaster - was the national debt. How the "socialists" just throw the money out, debt debt debt. Disaster.
And now it doesn't seem to matter. Ah well, DC antics. But I want to know from reasonable Trump voters that are around here. Why it's no concern, that is.

Trump has a lot of programs that cost a whole lot of money, and wants to bring debt down, and the financing idea to all of these things is tariffs, remittance tax and not quite specified "cutting"? Yeah, cut development aid, this is merely 1% of your tax money, so well. Smaller government, sure, but we do need a new agency for victims of migrant's crimes (that pot doesn't stir itself), it does make zero sense to me. Whoever used the debt as argument against Obama can't possibly just swallow that without having an idea where all that money should come from. It's just - I want to call that one out, because I don't understand how populists get away with that. Populists around the world, including Trump, that is. Whatever.

And Sessions talked to the Russian ambassador and lied to Congress about it. Another one I'm really curious on how that can be defended. Sure, let's talk about Sessions, sorry bout the debt thing, it just bothers me a bit. Sessions is more important, no distractions. Rant over.

[Belsnickel]

(03-02-2017, 04:07 AM)Vas Deferens Wrote: Not that anyone here would possibly defend him, but sources say their boy jeffy sessions was talking to the Russians early on.

I'm sure all the members here who call out others for a lack of military experience will acknowledge this hypocrisy.

While I have heard several statements from other people that were a part of committees Sessions was on saying they have never seen reason to meet with the Russian ambassador in their role. I have less concern over his meeting with him than I do the potential perjury. I also have more concern over some mid-level State officials saying that Kushner is essentially running the show and that folks that were previously in the circle of decision makers are being left out.

Of course, all of this is from those unnamed sources the White House constantly discounts. Though I will say that two of the State employees I know have made similar remarks, that decisions aren't being made in the way they once were, and in State that can be very concerning.

[GMDino]

(03-02-2017, 10:29 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: While I have heard several statements from other people that were a part of committees Sessions was on saying they have never seen reason to meet with the Russian ambassador in their role. I have less concern over his meeting with him than I do the potential perjury. I also have more concern over some mid-level State officials saying that Kushner is essentially running the show and that folks that were previously in the circle of decision makers are being left out.

Of course, all of this is from those unnamed sources the White House constantly discounts. Though I will say that two of the State employees I know have made similar remarks, that decisions aren't being made in the way they once were, and in State that can be very concerning.

I just tweeted basically the same thing.

It seems they lied about something that, when caught in the lie, they say wasn't wrong or a big deal.  Then why lie?

Seems a pattern is forming....

[Belsnickel]

(03-02-2017, 10:37 AM)GMDino Wrote: I just tweeted basically the same thing.

It seems they lied about something that, when caught in the lie, they say wasn't wrong or a big deal.  Then why lie?

Seems a pattern is forming....

Just saw a breaking Tweet from The Hill, Sessions has offered to recuse himself from the investigation.

One thing is for sure, the good feeling news cycles from the Joint Session address were spoiled by this. Not entirely, but this is going to pull people back some for sure.

[*michaelsean*]

(03-02-2017, 10:37 AM)GMDino Wrote: I just tweeted basically the same thing.

It seems they lied about something that, when caught in the lie, they say wasn't wrong or a big deal.  Then why lie?

Seems a pattern is forming....

And all this time I thought you were a dude.

[GMDino]

(03-02-2017, 10:54 AM)michaelsean Wrote: And all this time I thought you were a dude.

Twitter is a great way to follow things and make quick comments.

Also a good way to track all the scum out there...they are usually limited to 140 characters when speaking anyway.  

[*michaelsean*]

(03-02-2017, 12:30 PM)GMDino Wrote: Twitter is a great way to follow things and make quick comments.

Also a good way to track all the scum out there...they are usually limited to 140 characters when speaking anyway.  

I drew the line after facebook which I never use anymore.  When you're always right, how much do other people's opinions really matter?

[GMDino]

(03-02-2017, 12:34 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I drew the line after facebook which I never use anymore.  When you're always right, how much do other people's opinions really matter?

I only joined FB back in the day because I had old friends on there already.  Twitter I held off on until my kids were on there and I needed to check on them.

Now I use both more than they do.  But I do love the interaction with friends.

[Belsnickel]

(03-02-2017, 12:34 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I drew the line after facebook which I never use anymore.  When you're always right, how much do other people's opinions really matter?

I find it fun to follow a wide spectrum of things. I actually follow more conservative publications than liberal on my Twitter account, though individuals and organizations I think liberal wins out. And I have a lot of more just information sources such as Governing, which I posted a link from in another thread, and think tanks on public policy. My Twitter feed is filled with policy and politics and it helps me stay out of the echo chamber and look for civility in it all. Sure, I follow some more extreme folks, mainly because it's fun to see their take on it, but I have found Twitter to be a great way to break out of the echo chamber if used correctly. You just have to be willing to read the information and click on links that may challenge your thinking.

I also like to follow local organizations to see what they are up to. And a few, but really just a handful, or pop culture type things.