Trump's alleged affair

[Johnny Cupcakes]

(01-18-2018, 04:52 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Sorta like the pro- women stance of Democrats in the 1990s, yet they still run with it.

I was playing with action figures in the 90s, and I'm lost by your reference.

You could clue me in, but I probably still won't care about what their stance was before I was even old enough to vote.

[*bfine32*]

(01-18-2018, 10:48 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: So, one thing of note in all of this is that the Trump supporters can easily get by with not caring about this. They blamed Hillary for Bill's stepping out on her during the campaign, so this would have to be Melania's fault using that logic. Correct me if I am wrong on this, but I recall certain posters blaming Hillary for Bill's transgressions.

But hey, we don't live in a patriarchal, misogynistic culture, right?

I don't think most people "blamed Hillary for Bill's actions". Seems more were trouble by her attitude and actions toward his accusers . Almost like her actions enabled this patriarchal, misogynistic culture that we don't live in.

[Belsnickel]

(01-18-2018, 05:57 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I don't think most people "blamed Hillary for Bill's actions". Seems more were trouble by her attitude and actions toward his accusers . Almost like her actions enabled this patriarchal, misogynistic culture that we don't live in.

I'm too tired to go quote hunting, but there were at least two individuals that specifically blamed Hillary, on this board, for Bill's actions. I know that there are (fair) criticisms of her in her actions responding to it all, but that wasn't all of it.

WTS, doesn't really matter at this point, anyway. The types of people to engage int hat kind of rhetoric aren't self-aware enough to recognize the situation.

[Dill]

(01-18-2018, 04:52 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Sorta like the pro- women stance of Democrats in the 1990s, yet they still run with it.

????  These seems more whataboutism, but I don't get it.

[*bfine32*]

(01-18-2018, 06:07 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I'm too tired to go quote hunting, but there were at least two individuals that specifically blamed Hillary, on this board, for Bill's actions. I know that there are (fair) criticisms of her in her actions responding to it all, but that wasn't all of it.

WTS, doesn't really matter at this point, anyway. The types of people to engage int hat kind of rhetoric aren't self-aware enough to recognize the situation.

Suppose I got confused when you stated Trump Supporters blamed Hillary;  I assume you meant a couple extremists.  Unless your intent was to paint with  broad brush. 

[fredtoast]

(01-18-2018, 07:46 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Suppose I got confused when you stated Trump Supporters blamed Hillary;  I assume you meant a couple extremists.  Unless your intent was to paint with  broad brush. 

Well you also have to include everyone that did not call out and condemn these "extremists".  That's not painting with a broad brush is it?

[fredtoast]

(01-18-2018, 04:52 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Sorta like the pro- women stance of Democrats in the 1990s, yet they still run with it.

What does this even mean?

[*bfine32*]

(01-18-2018, 08:10 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Well you also have to include everyone that did not call out and condemn these "extremists".  That's not painting with a broad brush is it?

To be honest; I don't recall it being enough of a thing to call out (matter of fact I don't recall it at all), that folks blamed Hillary for Bill being unfaithful. 

I do recall many blaming her for shaming the accusers and enabling his actions. Perhaps you, Matt, and others remember a movement blaming Hillary for Bill's action, I simply remember them condemning her reaction to them.

WTS, anyone that blamed Hillary for Bill sexually molesting women, raping, of taking advantage of naive women are absolutely clueless. But anyone that did not condemn Hillary's reaction to Bill's actions condone such an environment 

[Belsnickel]

(01-18-2018, 07:46 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Suppose I got confused when you stated Trump Supporters blamed Hillary;  I assume you meant a couple extremists.  Unless your intent was to paint with  broad brush. 

It was more than a couple of extremists I saw this from, but it is a broad brush. It is why I specify supporters instead of voters, though.

[GMDino]

(01-18-2018, 06:07 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I'm too tired to go quote hunting, but there were at least two individuals that specifically blamed Hillary, on this board, for Bill's actions. I know that there are (fair) criticisms of her in her actions responding to it all, but that wasn't all of it.

WTS, doesn't really matter at this point, anyway. The types of people to engage int hat kind of rhetoric aren't self-aware enough to recognize the situation.

http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Obama-Shames-Voters?pid=439166#pid439166

Quote:It's like none of them give women the credit for not voting for another woman who couldn't even keep her husband faithful to her. Why would any woman vote for another woman who isn't strong enough to keep her family together?

http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Obama-Shames-Voters?pid=439185#pid439185

Quote:That women do not like other women who can't keep their family in order? 

They feel sorry and compassion for these women they don't follow these women.

http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Obama-Shames-Voters?pid=439228#pid439228

Quote:If she can't manage her home how can she manage a nation? 


Now as to blaming people...... if your wife cheats on you repeatedly over several years with several women. Then it's on you if you stay with her and just take it. Then it would be obvious that you have some sort of personal issue with yourself. Maybe it's a lack of confidence, maybe it's just that you don't care about your family or marriage. Either way you are not someone I am following into a foxhole. 

http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Obama-Shames-Voters?pid=439400#pid439400

Quote:Hillary stayed married not because she desperately wanted to keep her family together. She stayed because it helped her politically. 


Having your husband be a serial cheater just makes your family look like a joke. 



And yes it's the woman's job to keep the family together and running. They are actually built specifically for this task.

http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Obama-Shames-Voters?pid=439437#pid439437

Quote:Ok we will go with that being false. She didn't stay for her career. She just stayed because she didn't have the confidence to break away. The same way a battered woman stays with her abuser. 


Once again.... women pity these type of women they don't follow them.

http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Obama-Shames-Voters?pid=439442#pid439442

Quote:When someone hurts you there are only two options. Remove that person from your life or keep them in your life and accept the shame of not being able to do anything about it..... 



In hillary's case she was cheated on with multiple women over multiple decades. 


Where do you think this makes her look anything like a leader? And why do you think women want to be led by anyone who gets treated this way and then on top of it all ..... attacks the victims of her husband.

http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Obama-Shames-Voters?pid=439559#pid439559

Quote:Hiding behind nuance is pretty weak. Especially when nuance exists to everything. THe question was put forth about why women were "sexist" against hillary.... explaining her weak character is valid. Part of that weak character is allowing your husband to cheat for decades. That's fine for a kept woman who just lives a life. But she wanted to lead the free world. 


Thankfully women saw through her bs and could easily see she was weak. And if his was the old south...... her father and brothers would have kicked Bill's tail decades ago. And since that never happened she looks weak.

[*bfine32*]

(01-18-2018, 08:48 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: It was more than a couple of extremists I saw this from, but it is a broad brush. It is why I specify supporters instead of voters, though.

Meh, supporters may be a broader brush than voter as many patriots pledge their support to POTUS; regardless if they voted for him or not. 

But if you, Fred, and others recall this being the topic instead of Hillary's reaction to Bill's actions; then we can only take you at your word. Honestly, I do not recall anyone (I sure there were perhaps an insignificant few) blaming Hillary for Bill molesting women. 

[Dill]

(01-18-2018, 08:56 PM)GMDino Wrote: http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Obama-Shames-Voters?pid=439166#pid439166

http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Obama-Shames-Voters?pid=439185#pid439185

http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Obama-Shames-Voters?pid=439228#pid439228

http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Obama-Shames-Voters?pid=439400#pid439400

http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Obama-Shames-Voters?pid=439437#pid439437

http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Obama-Shames-Voters?pid=439442#pid439442

http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Obama-Shames-Voters?pid=439559#pid439559

LOL "hiding behind nuance."  

Haven't see a lot of that in this forum.

[*bfine32*]

(01-18-2018, 08:56 PM)GMDino Wrote: http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Obama-Shames-Voters?pid=439166#pid439166

http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Obama-Shames-Voters?pid=439185#pid439185

http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Obama-Shames-Voters?pid=439228#pid439228

http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Obama-Shames-Voters?pid=439400#pid439400

http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Obama-Shames-Voters?pid=439437#pid439437

http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Obama-Shames-Voters?pid=439442#pid439442

http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Obama-Shames-Voters?pid=439559#pid439559

How many people said those quotes you took time to find? 

[*michaelsean*]

(01-18-2018, 09:41 PM)bfine32 Wrote: How many people said those quotes you took time to find? 

I’m saying between one and seven.

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(01-18-2018, 08:56 PM)GMDino Wrote: http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Obama-Shames-Voters?pid=439166#pid439166

http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Obama-Shames-Voters?pid=439185#pid439185

http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Obama-Shames-Voters?pid=439228#pid439228

http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Obama-Shames-Voters?pid=439400#pid439400

http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Obama-Shames-Voters?pid=439437#pid439437

http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Obama-Shames-Voters?pid=439442#pid439442

http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Obama-Shames-Voters?pid=439559#pid439559

Using Lucie to prove a point about a larger group is like using you to do so.  You're both extremists that should only be seen as representing yourselves. 

[GMDino]

(01-18-2018, 10:11 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Using Lucie to prove a point about a larger group is like using you to do so.  You're both extremists that should only be seen as representing yourselves. 

Wasn't my point.  I shared to show what Matt was talking about.

Thank you!

[Belsnickel]

(01-18-2018, 10:11 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Using Lucie to prove a point about a larger group is like using you to do so.  You're both extremists that should only be seen as representing yourselves. 

Eh, he is fairly reflective of the larger group of Trump supporters I interact with. And by supporters, I mean those that voted for Trump because they actually saw him as the best candidate overall, not just because he was slightly less objectionable than Clinton or because he had the R next to his name.

[*bfine32*]

(01-18-2018, 10:14 PM)GMDino Wrote: Wasn't my point.  I shared to show what Matt was talking about.

Thank you!

Seems perhaps you shared to show what bfine was talking about (a few extremists) instead of what Matt was talking about (Trump Supporters). 

You can prove Matt correct by giving the wide array of posters that posted those quotes or you can proof bfine right by not doing so. 

[GMDino]

(01-18-2018, 10:18 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Seems perhaps you shared to show what bfine was talking about (a few extremists) instead of what Matt was talking about (Trump Supporters). 

You can prove Matt correct by giving the wide array of posters that posted those quotes or you can proof bfine right by not doing so. 

No, Matt didn't want to find quotes.  I found lots.

If I have more time I'll find more and then you'll be happy!  I just know it!

(Sorry I didn't speak in the third person....)

[*bfine32*]

(01-18-2018, 10:33 PM)GMDino Wrote: No, Matt didn't want to find quotes.  I found lots.

If I have more time I'll find more and then you'll be happy!  I just know it!

(Sorry I didn't speak in the third person....)

I admit I was wrong. 





I said you could prove bfine right by not replying; while you actually proved bfine right by replying.