Two Police Officers Gunned Down

[BengalHawk62]

Unbelievable.  My heart breaks over this tragedy.  They are not the police.  They are our children, our spouses, our parents and our friends.  Stop dehumanizing Law Enforcement.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/two-police-officers-killed-iowa-ambush-style-attacks-100442650.html



This is the third fatal incident that involved law enforcement deaths here in DSM.  The first involved a wrong way drunken driver killing two POs along the interstate and the second was when a PO on a motorcycle was hit and killed.

[GMDino]

(11-02-2016, 09:39 AM)BengalHawk62 Wrote: Unbelievable.  My heart breaks over this tragedy.  They are not the police.  They are our children, our spouses, our parents and our friends.  Stop dehumanizing Law Enforcement.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/two-police-officers-killed-iowa-ambush-style-attacks-100442650.html



This is the third fatal incident that involved law enforcement deaths here in DSM.  The first involved a wrong way drunken driver killing two POs along the interstate and the second was when a PO on a motorcycle was hit and killed.

What the hell is wrong with people?

[GMDino]

Suspect named.

http://heavy.com/news/2016/11/scott-michael-greene-des-moines-urbandale-iowa-police-shooter-gunman-suspect-photos-pictures-facebook-motive-military-criminal-record/

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(11-02-2016, 10:05 AM)GMDino Wrote: What the hell is wrong with people?

Yeah, who would have thunk that demonizing an entire group of people for the wrong actions of a minute fraction of their number would have such predictable results?

[*michaelsean*]

(11-02-2016, 10:11 AM)GMDino Wrote: Suspect named.

http://heavy.com/news/2016/11/scott-michael-greene-des-moines-urbandale-iowa-police-shooter-gunman-suspect-photos-pictures-facebook-motive-military-criminal-record/

I'm shocked.  He was always so quiet and nice.  

Actually I don't think we will hear that this time. He looks exactly like someone who would shoot a cop.  

[GMDino]

(11-02-2016, 11:33 AM)michaelsean Wrote: I'm shocked.  He was always so quiet and nice.  

 Actually I don't think we will hear that this time.  He looks exactly like someone who would shoot a cop.  

That's a joke we make all the time:  You never hear on the news "Yeah!  He was a crazy man!  We knew he'd kill someone someday!"

[BengalHawk62]

The suspect released a video recently on You Tube where he is alleging being assaulted at a high school football game.  Apparently he brought and was waving a confederate flag in front of a bunch of African Americans during the National Anthem and was kicked out of the game for being a public nuisance. He thought the cops assaulted him that night and this was in retaliation of that incident. ***Edit****sorry, I should have clicked the link above

The cops captured him within ten miles of my house this morning.  I have a friend that lives on the corner of the rural gravel road they got him on.  He posted on facebook, "Heads up neighbors. the suspect from the shooting has been spotted in the area, I've watched 10 cop cars scream down the road. Lock up your doors. This was confirmed by a trooper, not speculation." 
I hope he 'accidentally' trips getting into the back of the cop car and 'accidentally' busts his face up. 


*update*  An ambulance was spotted east bound heading into Des Moines with state trooper escorts.  Maybe he did "accidentally" trip????   

[*bfine32*]

(11-02-2016, 01:00 PM)BengalHawk62 Wrote: The suspect released a video recently on You Tube where he is alleging being assaulted at a high school football game.  Apparently he brought and was waving a confederate flag in front of a bunch of African Americans during the National Anthem and was kicked out of the game for being a public nuisance. He thought the cops assaulted him that night and this was in retaliation of that incident. ***Edit****sorry, I should have clicked the link above

The cops captured him within ten miles of my house this morning.  I have a friend that lives on the corner of the rural gravel road they got him on.  He posted on facebook, "Heads up neighbors. the suspect from the shooting has been spotted in the area, I've watched 10 cop cars scream down the road. Lock up your doors. This was confirmed by a trooper, not speculation." 
I hope he 'accidentally' trips getting into the back of the cop car and 'accidentally' busts his face up. 


*update*  An ambulance was spotted east bound heading into Des Moines with state trooper escorts.  Maybe he did "accidentally" trip????   

I would say he was lucky that the Police escorted him out of the game.

[Vas Deferens]

(11-02-2016, 01:16 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I would say he was lucky that the Police escorted him out of the game.

The officers are extremely professional in the video he posted of the incident.

He's clearly deranged.  Need to take people like this right to a mental health facility when they show signs like this.

[*michaelsean*]

(11-02-2016, 11:42 AM)GMDino Wrote: That's a joke we make all the time:  You never hear on the news "Yeah!  He was a crazy man!  We knew he'd kill someone someday!"

There seem to be many things that happen in your home that are similar to things that occur in mine, and that scares the hell out of me.

[GMDino]

(11-03-2016, 12:05 PM)michaelsean Wrote: There seem to be many things that happen in your home that are similar to things that occur in mine, and that scares the hell out of me.

Well I guess you can't be ALL bad.  

[BmorePat87]

(11-02-2016, 01:50 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: He's clearly deranged.  Need to take people like this right to a mental health facility when they show signs like this.

Not always an option nor will it always take them off the streets.

This kid I went to high school with is legitimately crazy. He posts about Bill Gates directly energy attacks at him and the CIA and  NSA. He makes videos and posts them. He sits in a room full of foil. He said things the Navy Yard shooter said. So I asked the cop at my school and the social worker what I should do. They said that, at best, I can call the local police and they'll check up on him. 

I didn't because a few days later he was posting about his therapist the local health department is making him see, so clearly someone already reported his crazy ass. 

But I will not be surprised if he shoots up a place. 

[*michaelsean*]

(11-03-2016, 12:37 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Not always an option nor will it always take them off the streets.

This kid I went to high school with is legitimately crazy. He posts about Bill Gates directly energy attacks at him and the CIA and  NSA. He makes videos and posts them. He sits in a room full of foil. He said things the Navy Yard shooter said. So I asked the cop at my school and the social worker what I should do. They said that, at best, I can call the local police and they'll check up on him. 

I didn't because a few days later he was posting about his therapist the local health department is making him see, so clearly someone already reported his crazy ass. 

But I will not be surprised if he shoots up a place.

So when's your high school reunion?

[fredtoast]

(11-02-2016, 11:01 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Yeah, who would have thunk that demonizing an entire group of people for the wrong actions of a minute fraction of their number would have such predictable results?

So did you use your "heightened senses" to come to the conclusion that the attack was the result of bad publicity instead of an actual confrontation with police?

[GMDino]

(11-02-2016, 11:01 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Yeah, who would have thunk that demonizing an entire group of people for the wrong actions of a minute fraction of their number would have such predictable results?

Indeed...why would we care about it at all when it happens then.  Or that some people would get super offended when someone in their demographic is spotlighted for bad behavior.

[BmorePat87]

(11-03-2016, 01:25 PM)michaelsean Wrote: So when's your high school reunion?

Last year, I didn't go. I teach at my high school... fortunately he lives up in the mountains of Western Maryland, 3 hours away. 

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(11-04-2016, 06:57 AM)GMDino Wrote: Indeed...why would we care about it at all when it happens then.  Or that some people would get super offended when someone in their demographic is spotlighted for bad behavior.

Yeah, this post is poorly written and makes no sense.  Please try again.

[GMDino]

(11-04-2016, 11:51 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Yeah, this post is poorly written and makes no sense.  Please try again.

Nope.

[*Nately120*]

Americans sure like to shoot each other.

[GMDino]

https://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/11/04/white-racist-kills-two-cops-iowa-ambush-and-fox-news-goes-quiet/214294

Quote:We can almost pinpoint the exact moment on Wednesday when Fox News mostly lost interest in the tragic breaking news out of Des Moines, IA, about two police officers who were killed in separate ambush attacks.

Previously, news of ambush attacks on law enforcement was often treated as a top priority at Fox News, which typically shifted into overdrive in not only devoting time and attention to the senseless killings, but also to instantly assigning political blame, with President Obama often starring as the main villain.

Recall that in July, there were two high-profile attacks on law enforcement: one in Dallas, TX, where five officers were killed when a gunman opened fired on a peaceful protest, and one in Baton Rouge, LA, where three officers were killed.

In both instances, the gunmen were black, and in both instances, Fox News worked overtime assigning partisan blame.

At the time, Fox's Tucker Carlson immediately, and falsely, claimed Obama had routinely labeled police “racist” (he never did) and said that the president had created “an environment where something like this is absolutely inevitable.” The rest of the right-wing media piled on as well: Someone must have radicalized the gunmen, the line of thinking went, and that someone was Obama.

The exact same finger-pointing pattern of relentless politicization played out 10 days later in Louisiana. Following the ambush, “conservative media immediately blamed President Obama, claiming that he has added ‘fuel to the flame of racism,’” Media Matters reported.

And when not casting collective blame on Obama, Fox talkers and other right-wing media commentators targeted Black Lives Matter activists for supposedly cultivating ambush shootings -- shootings that had been denounced by Black Lives Matter leaders.

That’s the background. Now back to the deadly news from Iowa on Wednesday. Fox News appeared to lose interest in the story the moment that law enforcement announced that Scott Michael Greene had been arrested and charged with the deaths of the policemen. Fox News' enthusiasm for the breaking news seems to have flagged not only because Greene is a white man who lives in a house with a Trump-Pence sign out front, but also because the gunman is a racist whose behavior had previously gotten him in trouble with the law.

Just weeks before the killings, Greene was removed by officers from a local high school football game after he started waving around a confederate flag in front of a group of African-American fans.

Following the confrontation, Greene posted a YouTube video depicting the altercation, including his run-in with local police officers who demanded that he leave the game. In a comment below his video, Green wrote that he “was offended by the blacks sitting through our anthem. Thousands more whites fought and died for their freedom.”

Note that social justice activists who have recently begun sitting or kneeling through the national anthem have become the target of withering criticism from Fox News hosts and guests. (Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump has also attacked activists for their national anthem protests.)

Two years earlier, Greene was also arrested after he allegedly threatened to a kill a man and called him the N-word in the parking lot of a local apartment complex.
From The Des Moines Register:

Quote:In that incident, Greene was accused of approaching a man in the parking lot and shining a flashlight in his eyes.
Greene, who lived in the apartments, called the man the N-word and told the man “I will kill you, (expletive) kill you,” according to the complaint. Greene pleaded guilty to a lesser harassment charge on June 30, 2014, and was sentenced to one year of probation.

So yes, Fox News quickly lost interest in the cop-killing story and covered it only in passing.

Hosting Special Report, Bret Baier gave the ambush story a few sentences on Wednesday night. He provided a skeletal outline and reported that the gunman had “a history of confrontation with police and others.” But Baier didn’t show Greene’s picture, identify him as white, or report on his racist past.      

As for the channel’s prime-time lineup of hosts who previously devoted hours and hours to covering ambush police attacks, denouncing the Black Lives Matter movement as a terrorist organization, and blaming Obama for supporting anti-police rhetoric? Those Fox hosts on Wednesday didn’t care about the Iowa ambush story.

The killings actually join the list of other high-profile police attacks that Fox News has had to look away from, for political reasons.

The Associated Press reported that on June 8, 2014, a "man and a woman ambushed two police officers eating lunch at a Las Vegas restaurant, fatally shooting them at point-blank range before fleeing to a nearby Wal-Mart where they killed a third person and then themselves in an apparent suicide pact.” Two months earlier, the killers had traveled to Cliven Bundy's Nevada ranch to join the militia protests against the federal government.

Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity both ignored the cop-killer story the night after it happened; Megyn Kelly devoted four sentences to the ambush attack. 

Back on September 16, 2014, "survivalist" Eric Frein shot two Pennsylvania state troopers outside their barracks and then disappeared into the Pocono Mountains for weeks. The shooter had a "long-standing grudge against law enforcement and government in general," according to one law enforcement official. And one friend told CNN that the gunman “was obviously a big critic of the federal government."

Again, Fox feigned interest. As Media Matters noted at the time, “In general, Fox has provided almost no commentary, no context, and certainly no collective blame for the [trooper] execution.”

Let’s state the obvious: If a black activist had ambushed and killed two police officers this week, and if it was reported that the gunman had a Hillary-Kaine sign outside his house, Fox News would have to add more hours to the day to fit in all the guttural outrage.

But a white cop killer with racist leanings and an apparent affinity for Trump? Fox doesn’t think that’s news at the height of this campaign season.

Yes, I know MMFA "goes after" FOX, however they do have a point.  It's not a breaking news headline, the talking heads are bringing on people to go after BLM and protesters.  I don't think they even had their one police officer on to yell at me that cops are being hunted by "those people".

I don't fully buy that the recent focus on people protesting the national anthem had a lot to do with it, but it is interesting that a white guy kills a cop or two and it gets real quiet....even around here.