WAPO: Trump shared highly classified intel to Russians in Oval Office

[*michaelsean*]

(05-19-2017, 11:27 AM)GMDino Wrote: Exactly what I said about Iran-Contra.

The worst part was that people found out about it.



But if what Trump did was legal...what difference does it make that it was leaked?  FOX News yesterday said the intel he passed along was "common knowledge".

(Whatever show is on at 5.  Had it on the XM radio driving home.)

What was leaked was either the truth and everyone knew it anyway...why did the WH send spokespersons out to say it didn't happen, then the POTUS said it did, then say it was legal, and then say everyone knew anyway?

Because the President can decide to tell another country classified material does not mean it's then OK to tell the world what he said.

[GMDino]

(05-19-2017, 11:59 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Because the President can decide to tell another country classified material does not mean it's then OK to tell the world what he said.

But FOX News said everyone knew already.  No problem.  Next....

[*michaelsean*]

(05-19-2017, 12:09 PM)GMDino Wrote: But FOX News said everyone knew already.  No problem.  Next....

I don't watch Fox News so I wouldn't know.

[GMDino]

(05-19-2017, 12:11 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I don't watch Fox News so I wouldn't know.

There's your problem...you need to open your mind a bit.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(05-19-2017, 11:59 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Because the President can decide to tell another country classified material does not mean it's then OK to tell the world what he said.

The media is within their rights to publish stories about the government and national security to include Trump releasing classified information to the Russians not IAW intelligence protocols to share the information.

See The Pentagon Papers.

[*michaelsean*]

(05-19-2017, 12:23 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: The media is within their rights to publish stories about the government and national security to include Trump releasing classified information to the Russians not IAW intelligence protocols to share the information.

See The Pentagon Papers.

I'm talking about the leakers.

[GMDino]

(05-19-2017, 12:58 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I'm talking about the leakers.

[*michaelsean*]

(05-19-2017, 01:03 PM)GMDino Wrote:

Oh the left's hero.  Well not anymore.  I wonder if he will leak anymore stuff on W to get back on their good side.

[GMDino]

(05-19-2017, 01:05 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Oh the left's hero.  Well not anymore.  I wonder if he will leak anymore stuff on W to get back on their good side.

Or Trump?

[Vas Deferens]

(05-19-2017, 01:12 PM)GMDino Wrote: Or Trump?

You have it wrong. Daddy likes getting leaked ON.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(05-19-2017, 12:58 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I'm talking about the leakers.

If Trump doesn't want the Russians to leak information to the media IOT embarrass Him, He shouldn't tell them classified intel.

[Vas Deferens]

(05-19-2017, 02:23 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: If Trump doesn't want the Russians to leak information to the media IOT embarrass Him, He shouldn't tell them classified intel.

Stop whining. Let's get back to the real important issues at hand in this country. Why the apprentice is no longer any good.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(05-19-2017, 02:59 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: Stop whining. Let's get back to the real important issues at hand in this country. Why the apprentice is no longer any good.

I don't understand. Trump prayed Arnold would get better ratings at the National Prayer Breakfast in February.

[GMDino]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/19/us/politics/trump-russia-comey.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0

Quote:Trump Told Russians That Firing ‘Nut Job’ Comey Eased Pressure From Investigation

President Trump met with Russian officials at the White House last week. American journalists were barred, but Russia released photographs. CreditRussian Foreign Ministry
WASHINGTON — President Trump told Russian officials in the Oval Office this month that firing the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, had relieved “great pressure” on him, according to a document summarizing the meeting.

“I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job,” Mr. Trump said, according to the document, which was read to The New York Times by an American official. “I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.”
Mr. Trump added, “I’m not under investigation.”

The conversation, during a May 10 meeting — the day after he fired Mr. Comey — reinforces the notion that Mr. Trump dismissed him primarily because of the bureau’s investigation into possible collusion between his campaign and Russian operatives. Mr. Trump said as much in one televised interview, but the White House has offered changing justifications for the firing.

The White House document that contained Mr. Trump’s comments was based on notes taken from inside the Oval Office and has been circulated as the official account of the meeting. One official read quotations to The Times, and a second official confirmed the broad outlines of the discussion.

Sean Spicer, the White House press secretary, did not dispute the account.

In a statement, he said that Mr. Comey had put unnecessary pressure on the president’s ability to conduct diplomacy with Russia on matters such as Syria, Ukraine and the Islamic State.


“By grandstanding and politicizing the investigation into Russia’s actions, James Comey created unnecessary pressure on our ability to engage and negotiate with Russia,” Mr. Spicer said. “The investigation would have always continued, and obviously, the termination of Comey would not have ended it. Once again, the real story is that our national security has been undermined by the leaking of private and highly classified conversations.”

The day after firing Mr. Comey, Mr. Trump hosted Russia’s foreign minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, in the Oval Office, along with the Russian ambassador to the United States, Sergey I. Kislyak. The meeting ignited controversy this week when it was revealed that Mr. Trump had disclosed intelligence from an Israeli counterterrorism operation.

A third government official briefed on the meeting defended the president, saying Mr. Trump was using a negotiating tactic when he told Mr. Lavrov about the “pressure” he was under. The idea, the official suggested, was to create a sense of obligation with Russian officials and to coax concessions out of Mr. Lavrov — on Syria, Ukraine and other issues — by saying that Russian meddling in last year’s election had created enormous political problems for Mr. Trump.
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The president has been adamant that the meddling did not alter the outcome of the race, but it has become a political cudgel for his opponents.

Many Democrats and some Republicans have raised alarms that the president may have tried to obstruct justice by firing Mr. Comey. The Justice Department’s newly appointed special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, was given the authority to investigate not only potential collusion, but also related allegations, which would include obstruction of justice.

The F.B.I.’s investigation has bedeviled the Trump administration, and the president personally. Mr. Comey publicly confirmed the existence of the investigation in March, telling Congress that his agents were investigating Russian efforts to influence the outcome of the presidential election and whether anyone in the Trump campaign had been involved. Mr. Trump has denied any collusion and called the case a waste of money and time.

At first, the White House said Mr. Trump fired Mr. Comey based on the recommendation of the Justice Department, and because of Mr. Comey’s handling of the F.B.I. investigation into Hillary Clinton last year. Officials said it had nothing to do with the Russia investigation.
But the president undercut that argument a day later, telling NBC News, “When I decided to just do it, I said to myself — I said, you know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story.”

[Mike M (the other one)]

(05-18-2017, 08:21 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Russia supports the Taliban and some Syrian rebels whose allegiance changes more than Trump's political affiliation.

So do we, and we need to identify them and treat them accordingly.

[BmorePat87]

So Trump tells the Russians that Comey was "crazy" and "a real nut job", and that him firing him means there's less pressure and no investigation.

The White House doesn't een deny it, they just said that Comey was grandstanding, which prevented negotiating with Russia, and that the real issue is... THE LEAKS of private conversations.

Reports of a video of McCarthy saying privately that he believes Putin pays Trump, Republicans laughing, McCarthy saying "no, I'm serious", and Ryan saying "no leaks, we're all family here". Both denied it. Once it was revealed there's a tape, both said they were joking.

What's the final straw for Republicans?

[*bfine32*]

(05-19-2017, 07:43 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: So Trump tells the Russians that Comey was "crazy" and "a real nut job", and that him firing him means there's less pressure and no investigation.

The White House doesn't een deny it, they just said that Comey was grandstanding, which prevented negotiating with Russia, and that the real issue is... THE LEAKS of private conversations.

Reports of a video of McCarthy saying privately that he believes Putin pays Trump, Republicans laughing, McCarthy saying "no, I'm serious", and Ryan saying "no leaks, we're all family here". Both denied it. Once it was revealed there's a tape, both said they were joking.

What's the final straw for Republicans?

The "final straw" for what?

As to the Comey comments. It has been asserted by a government official that Trump blasted Comey to the Russians in an attempt to instill a sense of obligation and improved cooperation. Of course that government official is probably not as reliable as the other government official. If you don't think the constant leaks of internal discussions in the White House is an issue; perhaps bigger than saying Comey was a nut job; then we have found another issue to disagree on.

As to the McCarthy comments: Where they laughing or anything of the sort to indicate that they may indeed be joking?

So they question once again: The final straw for what?  

[GMDino]

(05-19-2017, 09:28 PM)bfine32 Wrote: The "final straw" for what?

As to the Comey comments. It has been asserted by a government official that Trump blasted Comey to the Russians in an attempt to instill a sense of obligation and improved cooperation. Of course that government official is probably not as reliable as the other government official. If you don't think the constant leaks of internal discussions in the White House is an issue; perhaps bigger than saying Comey was a nut job; then we have found another issue to disagree on.

As to the McCarthy comments: Where they laughing or anything of the sort to indicate that they may indeed be joking?

So they question once again: The final straw for what?  

[NATI BENGALS]

(05-19-2017, 09:28 PM)bfine32 Wrote: The "final straw" for what?

As to the Comey comments. It has been asserted by a government official that Trump blasted Comey to the Russians in an attempt to instill a sense of obligation and improved cooperation. Of course that government official is probably not as reliable as the other government official. If you don't think the constant leaks of internal discussions in the White House is an issue; perhaps bigger than saying Comey was a nut job; then we have found another issue to disagree on.

As to the McCarthy comments: Where they laughing or anything of the sort to indicate that they may indeed be joking?

So they question once again: The final straw for what?  

As a "religious" person how often do you say "swear to god" when you intend to make a joke?

Because as an agnostic i never use the phrase. Only person i know that really threw the phrase around was a dope feind liar who robbed friends and family.

[*bfine32*]

(05-19-2017, 09:53 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: As a "religious" person how often do you say "swear to god" when you intend to make a joke?

Because as an agnostic i never use the phrase. Only person i know that really threw the phrase around was a dope feind liar who robbed friends and family.

As a Christian "religious person" I am taught to simply let my yes be yes and my no be no. Anyone announcing "I swear to God" does not move the needle much in either direction for me.