What’s worse for America

[masonbengals fan]

What’s worse for America…Russia invading Ukraine or 2 million illegals from our south invading America?

[Arturo Bandini]

(01-26-2022, 10:50 AM)masonbengals fan Wrote: hat’s worse for America…Russia invading Ukraine or 2 million illegals from our south invading America?

The 2 millions people 'apprehended' ?



I guess they are not a threat anymore.

[CKwi88]

C) hyperbolic talking points from an uninformed and undereducated electorate.

[Belsnickel]

I'll be honest, the rhetoric surrounding Ukraine smells more like an effort to keep the war machines running than something we should be legitimately concerned about. I'd much rather that money be spent giving aid to folks coming to our southern border so we can improve the lives of people rather than beating the war drum.

[Interceptor]

Send the illegals to Russia and let them invade the Ukraine.

[*Nately120*]

(01-26-2022, 10:50 AM)masonbengals fan Wrote: What’s worse for America…Russia invading Ukraine or 2 million illegals from our south invading America?

C.  Neo-cons recognizing the failures of Mexico while trying to turn the USA into Mexico by outlawing abortion, reducing voting rights, crippling the already skewed political system, and increasing the wealth gap.


But seriously folks, we can look at Mexico and declare it to be a 3rd world shithole, and yet we do all we can in order to emulate their path of ruin.  Oh, I'm scared of being invaded by illegal Mexicans...quick, let's do what we can to turn our own country into Mexico!

[CKwi88]

(01-26-2022, 11:29 AM)Nately120 Wrote: C.  Neo-cons recognizing the failures of Mexico while trying to turn the USA into Mexico by outlawing abortion, reducing voting rights, crippling the already skewed political system, and increasing the wealth gap.


But seriously folks, we can look at Mexico and declare it to be a 3rd world shithole, and yet we do all we can in order to emulate their path of ruin.  Oh, I'm scared of being invaded by illegal Mexicans...quick, let's do what we can to turn our own country into Mexico!

Excuse you. C was already taken.

Typical American imperialist.

[Rotobeast]

(01-26-2022, 11:12 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: I'll be honest, the rhetoric surrounding Ukraine smells more like an effort to keep the war machines running than something we should be legitimately concerned about. I'd much rather that money be spent giving aid to folks coming to our southern border so we can improve the lives of people rather than beating the war drum.

Agreed.

What would your opinion be on working with Mexico to create a buffer colony on the border ?
Mexico donates a stretch of land and the US donates supplies/equipment/security for the colony.
This would afford a safe environment for the people who cannot be vetted to prove themselves in an advancement towards applying for citizenship.
Easier said than done, but something I've often pondered.

[NATI BENGALS]

Omg hurry up before they finish all the construction projects in the area

[*Nately120*]

(01-26-2022, 01:27 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Omg hurry up before they finish all the construction projects in the area

Was it Hannity who said something to Trump recently about Biden "banging his head against a wall" and Trump, either not hearing him, not understanding what a metaphor is, not or being old and confused replied that he would have had the wall completed in three weeks? 

 

[Belsnickel]

(01-26-2022, 12:53 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: Agreed.

What would your opinion be on working with Mexico to create a buffer colony on the border ?
Mexico donates a stretch of land and the US donates supplies/equipment/security for the colony.
This would afford a safe environment for the people who cannot be vetted to prove themselves in an advancement towards applying for citizenship.
Easier said than done, but something I've often pondered.

I'd definitely be down with that. If we cut the defense budget we could easily do that, put more money into the processing of those requests, AND send aid to the countries these migrants are coming from to help stem the flow while still having a budget large enough to defend out borders.

[*Nately120*]

(01-26-2022, 01:32 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I'd definitely be down with that. If we cut the defense budget we could easily do that, put more money into the processing of those requests, AND send aid to the countries these migrants are coming from to help stem the flow while still having a budget large enough to defend out borders.

Sadly, I doubt the people who say they want more security and more legal immigration would accept your plan that would give them exactly what they say they want.

[Rotobeast]

(01-26-2022, 01:32 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: If we cut the defense budget we could easily do that, put more money into the processing of those requests, AND send aid to the countries these migrants are coming from to help stem the flow while still having a budget large enough to defend out borders.

I don't think we should use the terminology of "cutting the defense budget", as it would be a bad optic for those seeking re-election and they'd flat out be obstructionists to the proposal. I would just impress that the desired actions were in fact essential to and part of National Defense as a proactive measure. I do also agree that giving aid to the countries in which these folks are fleeing would be a great idea.

Side note: I have went over this idea with several people running for Portman's seat and gubernatorial candidates. No one has shown a bit of interest.

[Belsnickel]

(01-26-2022, 01:58 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: I don't think we should use the terminology of "cutting the defense budget", as it would be a bad optic for those seeking re-election and they'd flat out be obstructionists to the proposal. I would just impress that the desired actions were in fact essential to and part of National Defense as a proactive measure. I do also agree that giving aid to the countries in which these folks are fleeing would be a great idea.

Side note: I have went over this idea with several people running for Portman's seat and gubernatorial candidates. No one has shown a bit of interest.

Well, thi sis why I'm a policy guy and not a politics guy. I know what would be more effective, not what looks best politically.

[XenoMorph]

(01-26-2022, 12:53 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: Agreed.

What would your opinion be on working with Mexico to create a buffer colony on the border ?
Mexico donates a stretch of land and the US donates supplies/equipment/security for the colony.
This would afford a safe environment for the people who cannot be vetted to prove themselves in an advancement towards applying for citizenship.
Easier said than done, but something I've often pondered.

but why should we be the ones paying for all the supplies?

[*Nately120*]

(01-26-2022, 02:18 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: but why should we be the ones paying for all the supplies?

Think of it as an investment...you either pay now, or you gotta pay the price later. 

[Sociopathicsteelerfan]

(01-26-2022, 11:29 AM)Nately120 Wrote: C.  Neo-cons recognizing the failures of Mexico while trying to turn the USA into Mexico by outlawing abortion, reducing voting rights, crippling the already skewed political system, and increasing the wealth gap.


But seriously folks, we can look at Mexico and declare it to be a 3rd world shithole, and yet we do all we can in order to emulate their path of ruin.  Oh, I'm scared of being invaded by illegal Mexicans...quick, let's do what we can to turn our own country into Mexico!

The ironic thing is that you're right, but for the wrong reasons.  We are turning into a third world country, but it's not because of anything you listed, it's because the rule of law is being actively undermined by activists posing as DA's.  I know a ton of Hispanic people, both from work and my personal life, and every single one of them cite this as the reason things are going to shit and directly compare it to the country their family came from; Mexico, Honduras, El Salvador, Guatemala, etc.  I can't disagree with this assessment in the slightest.

[*Nately120*]

(01-26-2022, 02:45 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: The ironic thing is that you're right, but for the wrong reasons.  We are turning into a third world country, but it's not because of anything you listed, it's because the rule of law is being actively undermined by activists posing as DA's.  I know a ton of Hispanic people, both from work and my personal life, and every single one of them cite this as the reason things are going to shit and directly compare it to the country their family came from; Mexico, Honduras, El Salvador, Guatemala, etc.  I can't disagree with this assessment in the slightest.

Well just toss that onto my list and we can both be right.

[Rotobeast]

(01-26-2022, 02:18 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: but why should we be the ones paying for all the supplies?

Fair enough.
I would, of course, negotiate with Mexico in that respect.
Maybe the US and Mexico could lure casino companies into funding the construction of a mini-resort ?
Mixture of Vegas and Tijuana ?

[Au165]

Neither are real threats but rather great talking points to push agendas.