What government shutdown?

[Luvnit2]

It appears Republicans blinked and will sign a short term bill this week, so no government shutdown. Once again Republicans made concessions to get the bill passed while Democrats refuse to negotiate or make any concessions.

If liberals jumped the gun and were blaming Republicans for a potential shutdown, it is only fair for liberals to praise the Republicans for avoiding a shutdown. Republicans can handle numerous major agenda items at the same time including the impeachment inquiry.

[*pally*]

(09-27-2023, 10:12 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: It appears Republicans blinked and will sign a short term bill this week, so no government shutdown. Once again Republicans made concessions to get the bill passed while Democrats refuse to negotiate or make any concessions.

If liberals jumped the gun and were blaming Republicans for a potential shutdown, it is only fair for liberals to praise the Republicans for avoiding a shutdown. Republicans can handle numerous major agenda items at the same time including the impeachment inquiry.

The CR was negotiated between...wait for it...Democrat Chuck Schumer and Republican Mitch McConnell of the Senate.  Kevin McCarthy has so far, refused to agree to a vote from the House because his extremists have told him if he does he'll be removed from his Speakership.  Same thing if he reaches out to the Democrats.  McCarthy is clinging to his power in lieu of taking up the bill.

Again, it is the Republicans in the US House of Representatives and Kevin McCarthy's fear of crossing the Freedom Caucus that is preventing anything from moving forward

[Belsnickel]

(09-27-2023, 12:29 PM)pally Wrote: The CR was negotiated between...wait for it...Democrat Chuck Schumer and Republican Mitch McConnell of the Senate.  Kevin McCarthy has so far, refused to agree to a vote from the House because his extremists have told him if he does he'll be removed from his Speakership.  Same thing if he reaches out to the Democrats.  McCarthy is clinging to his power in lieu of taking up the bill.

Again, it is the Republicans in the US House of Representatives and Kevin McCarthy's fear of crossing the Freedom Caucus that is preventing anything from moving forward

Not only all of this, but it should be noted that this is all happening because of McCarthy reneging on the deal he had already made with Democrats when the debt ceiling fight happened. This is all at the feet of the MAGA contingent in the House.

[*Nately120*]

(09-27-2023, 03:10 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Not only all of this, but it should be noted that this is all happening because of McCarthy reneging on the deal he had already made with Democrats when the debt ceiling fight happened. This is all at the feet of the MAGA contingent in the House.

This makes me think the more tenured members of the GOP aren't confident that the woes caused by a government shutdown will sufficiently be blamed on Biden. 

[Belsnickel]

(09-27-2023, 03:27 PM)Nately120 Wrote: This makes me think the more tenured members of the GOP aren't confident that the woes caused by a government shutdown will sufficiently be blamed on Biden. 

Correct. Which really it is all on McCarthy and the MAGA idiots, so they deserve the blame. Had they stuck with the agreement from the debt ceiling negotiations, none of this would be a question.

[NATI BENGALS]

Lol. Imagine trying to negotiate with Marjorie, man from Florida Gaetz, loud mouth Chip and crew.

Unbelievable these are the people holding our government hostage making the demands. You can’t deflect from reality. A shutdown falls squarely on the GOP and the voters who put these people in power.

Funny they have a problem giving aid to Ukraine. They know Russia helped trump get elected in 2016 and they want to make sure they still get that help in 2024. And every time they try to stop our assistance to Ukraine it moves the needle closer to putting American troops in harms way. It’s sick

[Stewy]

It was a COLLABORATION. Not a sacrifice. It is the way GOVERNING is supposed to happen. Something NOT happening in the Repub controlled house.

FFS Luvinit you are pathetic in your self induced willful delusion.

[HarleyDog]

(09-27-2023, 03:27 PM)Nately120 Wrote: This makes me think the more tenured members of the GOP aren't confident that the woes caused by a government shutdown will sufficiently be blamed on Biden. 

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

[*Nately120*]

(09-27-2023, 09:29 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: Don't hate the player, hate the game.

I assure you I hate the game so much that there is still ample room to hate the players less, yet still hate the players a lot.

[Mike M (the other one)]

(09-27-2023, 05:05 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Correct. Which really it is all on McCarthy and the MAGA idiots, so they deserve the blame. Had they stuck with the agreement from the debt ceiling negotiations, none of this would be a question.

That's not a given. Dems could change their minds as well.

[GMDino]

(09-28-2023, 02:07 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: That's not a given. Dems could change their minds as well.

It appears McCarthy won't even allow them to vote on it.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4225849-mccarthy-told-conference-he-wont-allow-vote-on-senate-stopgap-gop-lawmakers/#:~:text=Speaker%20Kevin%20McCarthy%20(R%2DCalif,the%20floor%20for%20a%20vote.

Quote:Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) told members of the House GOP conference Wednesday morning that he will not bring the Senate’s bipartisan continuing resolution to the floor for a vote.


Rep. Bob Good (R-Va.) told reporters after a closed-door House GOP conference meeting that McCarthy informed lawmakers during the gathering that he will not bring the upper chamber’s legislation to the floor for a vote, even after the Senate voted to advance it in a bipartisan fashion Tuesday night.

“I don’t think he plans to do that,” Good said when asked about bringing the Senate stopgap bill up for a vote. “He reiterated that this morning. I called on him to consistently say that to the public, let the Senate know that’s dead on arrival and that there’s no way the House would pass that bill.”


Pressed on if McCarthy told the conference that he will not bring up the Senate legislation, Good responded, “That’s exactly right.”


A second House Republican confirmed to The Hill that McCarthy said he would not bring the measure to the floor for a vote.

Senate leaders unveiled a continuing resolution Tuesday afternoon to fund the government through Nov. 17. The legislation also includes roughly $6.15 billion in funding for Ukraine, $5.99 billion in disaster assistance and would temporarily extend the expiring authority of the Federal Aviation Administration.


The Senate advanced the legislation in an overwhelmingly bipartisan vote Tuesday night, 77-19.


While the measure has the backing of Democrats and Republicans in the Senate, a number of House conservatives have already lined up against the legislation, pointing to the inclusion of Ukraine aid and the exclusion of border security provisions.

Asked about the Senate proposal following Wednesday’s conference meeting, McCarthy told reporters: “I don’t see the support in the House.”


Rep. Byron Donalds (R-Fla.), a member of the conservative House Freedom Caucus, said the legislation “is dead over here,” referring to the House.


“First of all, you continue spending, you have $6.2 billion for Ukraine, they do nothing to secure our southern border. That is just a nonstarter,” he said. “The Senate needs to get real.”

Some House Republicans, however, would be open to the stopgap measure.


Rep. Don Bacon (R-Neb.), who represents a district President Biden won in 2020, said he would support the Senate’s legislation and that McCarthy should bring it to the floor “if that is the only option.”


“I don’t want a shutdown. I would support it,” he noted earlier.

Instead, however, McCarthy said he plans to bring a GOP-crafted stopgap bill to the floor Friday, legislation that will be dead on arrival in the Senate but is meant to open negotiations with Democrats in the upper chamber.


Good told reporters that McCarthy’s stopgap measure would keep the government open for 30 days, decrease spending to a top-line level of $1.471 trillion for that duration and include border security provisions. Good also noted that McCarthy wants to pass the stopgap “in conjunction with continuing to move our spending bills,” which has been a key demand among conservatives.


Whether or not McCarthy has enough votes to pass the partisan stopgap measure, however, remains to be seen. A number of hard-line conservatives have said they will not vote for a continuing resolution under any circumstances.

He is bowing to the hardliners who have threatened his position.  They are running the show.

[Mike M (the other one)]

(09-28-2023, 02:18 PM)GMDino Wrote: It appears McCarthy won't even allow them to vote on it.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4225849-mccarthy-told-conference-he-wont-allow-vote-on-senate-stopgap-gop-lawmakers/#:~:text=Speaker%20Kevin%20McCarthy%20(R%2DCalif,the%20floor%20for%20a%20vote.



He is bowing to the hardliners who have threatened his position.  They are running the show.

have you seen how the Dems are trying to use FEMA funds? 
You know funds for Emergencies for US Citizens? 

[GMDino]

(09-28-2023, 02:20 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: have you seen how the Dems are trying to use FEMA funds? 
You know funds for Emergencies for US Citizens? 

I'm simply commenting on the fact that what the "Dems" want is irrelevant.  McCarthy is afraid to bring it to a vote because he risks losing his Speakers position if it passes.

[Belsnickel]

(09-28-2023, 02:07 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: That's not a given. Dems could change their minds as well.

True, Dems could have. It doesn't matter, though, since it is McCarthy that has done the reneging before anyone else had the opportunity as he caved to pressure from the MAGA contingent in the House.

[GreenDragon]

(09-27-2023, 10:12 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: It appears Republicans blinked and will sign a short term bill this week, so no government shutdown. Once again Republicans made concessions to get the bill passed while Democrats refuse to negotiate or make any concessions.

If liberals jumped the gun and were blaming Republicans for a potential shutdown, it is only fair for liberals to praise the Republicans for avoiding a shutdown. Republicans can handle numerous major agenda items at the same time including the impeachment inquiry.

You do know that bills like this are to pay for debts America has ALREADY accrued, right?
RIGHT? 

[Mike M (the other one)]

(09-28-2023, 03:06 PM)GMDino Wrote: I'm simply commenting on the fact that what the "Dems" want is irrelevant.  McCarthy is afraid to bring it to a vote because he risks losing his Speakers position if it passes.

I don't care if he's risking losing it, that's on him.
I care about how the American's tax dollars are being spent, do you?

[NATI BENGALS]

(09-28-2023, 02:20 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: have you seen how the Dems are trying to use FEMA funds? 
You know funds for Emergencies for US Citizens? 

No. Do tell?

I have seen that FEMA is running out of money and they are so concerned they even started slowing down fund distribution. Due to all the natural disasters.

And that New Orleans just had an emergency declaration in the last day or so because of the salt water pushing up the Mississippi threatening drinking water. Holding back that ocean… that should be another cheap fix…