What is the End Game for the left?

[*bfine32*]

I constantly see here and Nationally extreme vetting going on in regards to Trump and his nominees. Some of it warranted, some of it frivolous. This has led me to wonder: What exactly does the left (insert any term you are comfortable with) hope to gain?

Do they hope that if a Dem takes the WH in 2020 that their POTUS and cabinet is meet with the same scrutiny and distain?

Do they hope their POTUS is challenged by district judges and those decisions upheld by biased (do not read incorrect) appeals courts?

Do they hope Trump is impeached and his VP becomes POTUS?

Do they just want "the truth?"

Do they want celebrities being their spokesmen?

Do they want government being accountable to media?

You know who you are. What do you want from all this "vetting"?

personally, I watch it all and think to myself: Be careful what you wish for.

[GMDino]

Mine is to have the best possible people in position to make the best possible decisions to better the country as much as possible without stepping on any rights.

But I've always been a bit of an idealist.

[*bfine32*]

(02-14-2017, 05:47 PM)GMDino Wrote: Mine is to have the best possible people in position to make the best possible decisions to better the country as much as possible without stepping on any rights.

But I've always been a bit of an idealist.

I'm sure we all what that. I think the rub comes when defining what is best.

Part of the reasoning I asked the  question is the other day there was a point of law (can't remember exactly), but the Dems couldn't do what they wanted to do because of something they passed when they were the majority (perhaps the Pence vote thing). I just hope they understand that you reap what you sow. 

[Belsnickel]

Personally, I only have issues with nominees that aren't really qualified to run their department (DeVos, Carson) or are like the fox running the hen house (Mnuchin). I don't like Sessions, but I don't know enough about the man personally to not give him a fair shake. We've all known people that have changed their views over time, and 30 years is certainly long enough to do so.

Congress is more divided ideologically right now than any time since 1860, and I think that is the reason for this. It's a back-and-forth situation where the Democrats in Congress feel what they are doing is nothing more than what was done to Obama. They view it as nothing more than retaliatory while the Republicans view it as unprecedented. The ideological split is blinding a lot of people to what is really going on and it is concerning to me.

[Benton]

(02-14-2017, 05:41 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I constantly see here and Nationally extreme vetting going on in regards to Trump and his nominees. Some of it warranted, some of it frivolous. This has led me to wonder: What exactly does the left (insert any term you are comfortable with) hope to gain?

Do they hope that if a Dem takes the WH in 2020 that their POTUS and cabinet is meet with the same scrutiny and distain?

I don't think that's a concern. Up until now, most president's of the last century have filled posts with mostly qualified people. We've had highly unqualified people before, even some administrations with a significant amount like Trump's, but not recently. But, for the most part, I think there's already that kind of scrutiny and disdain. Look back to the SCOTUS nomination and what essentially was just partisan politics.

Do they hope their POTUS is challenged by district judges and those decisions upheld by biased (do not read incorrect) appeals courts?

It's not uncommon. Trump isn't the first president to have a court tell him 'no.' Heck, Obama's last few days in office a Texas judge prevented hundreds of thousands of workers from earning overtime in a fairly biased move.

Do they hope Trump is impeached and his VP becomes POTUS?

No clue

Do they just want "the truth?"

I don't think they car about "the truth." I do think they're looking for — for lack of a better term — equality. Openness, maybe some honesty, probably some responsibility, and a lot less playing politics. Granted, both sides seem to want that when the other side has control.

Do they want celebrities being their spokesmen?

No clue

Do they want government being accountable to media?

No clue, but they should be.

You know who you are. What do you want from all this "vetting"?

Not sure who "you" are, but, for me, the "vetting" is just a show, and I am happy to see it's finally getting exposed for what it is. Trump is going to put up people he feels comfortable with, or people who will support his decisions. That's not abnormal for political appointments. Nor is a majority party pushing through those people, even if they're unqualified and potentially detrimental. What's different now is before most of those appointments could be justified. They looked good on paper. Sure, maybe they were political or personal favors, but at least the people had some qualifications. Now, it's more like, "Hey, this guy over here got in trouble for leaking sensitive information to someone he was cheating on his wife with. Let's give him more sensitive information!" "See this lady? She makes money off for profit schools and has no working knowledge of teaching, education or bureaucracy. We're putting her in charge of the teaching bureaucracy!"

Hopefully, this cluster **** that is this administration will make people want to be involved with local government. And I think, to a degree, that's happening. I've had more young people showing up at political town halls and debates (no, not paid actors, just people trying to figure out what's going on).
   

personally, I watch it all and think to myself: Be careful what you wish for.

In bold. Cause, you know, I am.

[NATI BENGALS]

(02-14-2017, 05:41 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I constantly see here and Nationally extreme vetting going on in regards to Trump and his nominees. Some of it warranted, some of it frivolous. This has led me to wonder: What exactly does the left (insert any term you are comfortable with) hope to gain?

Do they hope that if a Dem takes the WH in 2020 that their POTUS and cabinet is meet with the same scrutiny and distain?

Do they hope their POTUS is challenged by district judges and those decisions upheld by biased (do not read incorrect) appeals courts?

Do they hope Trump is impeached and his VP becomes POTUS?

Do they just want "the truth?"

Do they want celebrities being their spokesmen?

Do they want government being accountable to media?

You know who you are. What do you want from all this "vetting"?

personally, I watch it all and think to myself: Be careful what you wish for.

That is funny. The left were passed the baton from the Party of No. 

The Kenyan Muslim was under the microscope every step of the way. And battled obstructionists since day one even though we never got any evidence he was really a Kenyan Muslim. 

Now we have the Russian Puppet who has had a Campaign Chairman and the man he appointed as National Security Adviser both resign due to Russian connections and we are not even a month in to his Presidency. More damning evidence than anything we ever had on the Kenyan Muslim. 

RP (Russian Puppet) let the man who lied continue to sit in on the highest level intelligence briefings even though he was susceptible to blackmail. Throw in the fact the reality tv show host who bankrupted casinos had no political experience before he suckered the minority of Americans in to voting for him. Those are some giant red flags that should make us want to ensure our checks and balances system is fully functioning. 

It took less than a month for RP to have some random guy taking pics with the nuclear football while handling a serious national security situation in a party like crowd of more random people. 

The end game is to make sure RP the con man does as little damage to our country as possible. 

I know Republitards want to just hand the keys over to the little kid who has never been behind the wheel or taken drivers ed and pray for the best. But it is rush hour and the little kid is drunk. So maybe not the best idea. 

[BmorePat87]

I would say that based on the blue prints they were handed for these last 8 years, they hope to control Congress and the White House in no more than 8 years by trying to stop everything Trump does and nominating a reality TV star who spends the next few years demanding Trump's birth certificate. My guess it'll be Mark Cuban. TV and billionaire.

I guess they're gambling when they vet unqualified cabinet picks, but what's the worst that could happen? Have the Republicans not even give a nominee a hearing for a whole year?

[BigPapaKain]

The death of God and America, obviously. According to Fox, anyways.

[fredtoast]

(02-14-2017, 05:52 PM)bfine32 Wrote:  I just hope they understand that you reap what you sow. 

You mean like when you refuse to even give a hearing a a presidents selection for the Supreme Court.

[*bfine32*]

(02-16-2017, 02:56 PM)fredtoast Wrote: You mean like when you refuse to even give a hearing a a presidents selection for the Supreme Court.

Exactly. I was very disappointed in Congress for not doing that and it has come back to them. But folks live by the two wrong make a right mentality; instead of looking for compromise.

[Belsnickel]

(02-16-2017, 03:41 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Exactly. I was very disappointed in Congress for not doing that and it has come back to them. But folks live by the two wrong make a right mentality; instead of looking for compromise.

So true. I'd like to see our elected officials stop caring so much about partisan maneuvering and more about governing.

[BengalHawk62]

To kill the Right.  Take the guns away from everyday citizens.  Establish the New World Order.  

[BmorePat87]

Death panels. Death panels every where.

[Vas Deferens]

Forced abortions. 95% corporate tax rate. FEMA coffins

[Vas Deferens]

Unconditional surrender. Death squads sent to homes of all industrialists.

[*PhilHos*]

(02-16-2017, 03:54 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: So true. I'd like to see our elected officials stop caring so much about partisan maneuvering and more about governing.

I'd wager this is what 90% of the electorate wishes as well. However, I'd say the problem is that we allow them to do this. Far too many excuse the actions of their own party while condemning the exact same actions of the opposing party. And when their hypocrisy is pointed out, they just double down on the excuses/condemnation.

It's a problem that I just don't see how it can be solved. And that worries me for the future.

[CageTheBengal]

The end game is simple...

To build an artisan cheese shop on every corner while increasing the amount of free cellphones in every house-hold across America.

[Vas Deferens]

Replace the stars and stripes with the gay pride rainbow flag.

[BmorePat87]

Take every gun.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

The left sure does end game.