White Privilege?

[jj22]

People deny it's a thing, but we are seeing it every day with this Administration. Why else is Trump allowed to get away with so much that Obama or Michelle would have never been able to get away with? People act like the "Fake News" Media is hard on Trump, but they aren't. They don't hold him to the high standards they held Obama. They have normalized this behavior but one has to ask why a black POTUS would have been impeached by now, why public opinion would have soured by now.

You think Obama could have been elected after cheating on 3 wives? Divorcing 2. Bragging about sexual harassment? Mocking a VET and a disabled journalist etc? You think Michelle would have the support from Evangelicals if she had posed nude throughout her career including girl on girl action? Trumps getting away with far more than anyone would allow Obama to, and there has to be some subconscious reason why this has happened.

So my question is, is it white privilege? Or can someone claim Obama or any Black/Brown (minority) would have gotten away with these pre and post election actions? In either party.

[fredtoast]

I agree white privilege exists, but comparing Trump to Obama is about politics instead of skin color.

In fact, the Republican would LOVE to find a black guy who was as cozy with racists as Trump.  That would help them out even more.  They would welcome them with open arms.  In fact I had a friend who used to say that the first black president would be a republican because his race would not work as bad against him.

[jj22]

I'm not sure it's politics. Bill got away with a shaky background which included sexual harassment clams etc and was still voted in to Office.

Bill's popularity actually rose after the Monica scandal.

Not sure a black man getting **** in the oval office would have had the same reaction.

I do agree tho, Republicans (Fox News) love finding black people to attack black people (the two black women comedians come to mind), but they keep them in their place. I doubt their base would ever support a minority as POTUS.

[fredtoast]

(07-06-2018, 11:13 AM)jj22 Wrote: I'm not sure it's politics. Bill got away with a shaky background which included sexual harassment clams etc and was still voted in to Office.

Bill's popularity actually rose after the Monica scandal.

Not sure a black man getting **** in the oval office would have had the same reaction.

Did you ever think that the part of "family values" would support Mr. Grab-them-in-the ***** who has been divorced twice and been sued so many times for shady dealings?

Color does not matter if he is from their own tribe.

[jj22]

Did I? Honestly, I've always been skeptical of the "Religious right". I can't say one way or another. But I''m not surprised. Christianity hasn't been the same since the Republican party hijacked the religion.

[*bfine32*]

I don't know if it's White Privilege, but I do know unemployment for African Americans is at an all-time low under his administration. That is what many are focusing on and what could cause a shift in a voting base.

[fredtoast]

(07-06-2018, 11:20 AM)bfine32 Wrote: I don't know if it's White Privilege, but I do know unemployment for African Americans is at an all-time low under his administration. That is what many are focusing on and what could cause a shift in a voting base.

But that was just a continuing trend from what was happening under the Obama administration.  I don't know exactly what Trump has done to deserve credit for that trend.  He took over a growing economy.

If Dallas has a great O-line this year how many people here are going to give the credit to Paul Alexander?

[Benton]

(07-06-2018, 11:13 AM)jj22 Wrote: I'm not sure it's politics. Bill got away with a shaky background which included sexual harassment clams etc and was still voted in to Office.

Bill's popularity actually rose after the Monica scandal.

Not sure a black man getting **** in the oval office would have had the same reaction.

I do agree tho, Republicans (Fox News) love finding black people to attack black people (the two black women comedians come to mind), but they keep them in their place.  I doubt their base would ever support a minority as POTUS.

I agree with Fred, it's more about politics than skin color.

Obama got called out for everything he did not because he was black, but because he wasn't a Republican. Clinton was the same. When the GOP finally had enough to go after him, they impeached. Clinton's impeachment had nothing to do with getting a BJ — a good chunk of congress at the time was cheating on their spouses (many with members of the same sex) — and all to do with political standing. Clinton was well liked and the country was in good shape, Republicans were in danger of losing everything if they couldn't rally the base or slander the POTUS. If we hadn't cut taxes and gone to war at the same time under Bush, the cuts under Clinton and Congress would have started to reduce the deficit a couple years after he left office. A democrat that lowered the deficit? That would have crippled the GOP, so they need to impeach. Of course, it didn't matter as we got W's cuts and a super expensive war.

[jj22]

I'm not sure Trumps numbers with blacks are higher. I don't know tho, I haven't looked.

But what I'm pretty sure is that a black man with Trumps background wouldn't be nearly as adored by American voters, Evangelicals, and the media who has done Trump plenty favors by not focusing on things like Niger (as we STILL don't know what our troops are doing there) for example. Although that isn't what I want to know is White Privilege. It's more the acceptable 3 wives, bragging about sexual harassment etc. Things I'm just pretty certain would be frowned upon if he was black. And just not sold that any party (Or Americans) would elect a Black Man to Presidency with that background.

Heck they wouldn't even let Michelle show a little shoulder. Let alone girl on girl action.

https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=6986019&page=1

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/28/michelle-obama-look-like-a-first-lady-bobbie-lussier_n_1922236.html


I believe society is still far more forgiving dependent on race. And I think we are seeing it now.

[*bfine32*]

(07-06-2018, 11:26 AM)fredtoast Wrote: But that was just a continuing trend from what was happening under the Obama administration.  I don't know exactly what Trump has done to deserve credit for that trend.  He took over a growing economy.

If Dallas has a great O-line this year how many people here are going to give the credit to Paul Alexander?

Of course it's because of Obama and not Trump. But many aren't as open-minded. They see an increase in their bank accounts, they see that they are being able to provide for their families at historic rates, and they see who is running the Nation. I have little doubt there will be those trying to persuade them it's not because of Trump and they would be better off with someone else; although history shows otherwise. 

[*bfine32*]

(07-06-2018, 11:31 AM)jj22 Wrote: I'm not sure Trumps numbers with blacks are higher. I don't know tho, I haven't looked.

But what I'm pretty sure is that a black man with Trumps background wouldn't be nearly as adored by American voters, Evangelicals, and the media who has done Trump plenty favors by not focusing on things like Niger (as we STILL don't know what our troops are doing there) for example. Although that isn't what I want to know is White Privilege. It's more the acceptable 3 wives, bragging about sexual harassment etc. Things I'm just pretty certain would be frowned upon if he was black. And just not sold that any party (Or Americans) would elect a Black Man to Presidency with that background.

Heck they wouldn't even let Michelle show a little shoulder. Let alone girl on girl action.

https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=6986019&page=1

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/28/michelle-obama-look-like-a-first-lady-bobbie-lussier_n_1922236.html


I believe society is still far more forgiving dependent on race. And I think we are seeing it now.

Consider this board to be a microcosm of society, then hit the back arrow, look at the threads and tell me again how folks are being forgiving of Trump because of race.  

[jj22]

Trump has plenty of supporters on this board. I have to ask them would they vote for a black man who had 3 wives, kids by different women, caught on tape bragging about sexual assault and had a wife who was a porn star. But they'd know where I was going and would never give me a legit answer.

If they did, I'd be 99.9999999% sure they'd say no.

But they voted for Trump. The problem is they aren't thinking about White Privilege because it's like Institutional racism. Something people just subconsciously do. Not because they are racist, just how society has wired them for generations.

[*bfine32*]

(07-06-2018, 11:43 AM)jj22 Wrote: Trump has plenty of supporters on this board. I have to ask them would they vote for a black man who had 3 wives, kids by different women, and a wife who was a porn star. But they'd know where I was going and would never give me a legit answer.

If he were the most Military friendly of the candidates then he'd get my vote. His trivial transgressions would be for God to judge, not me. 

This board is vastly made up of middle aged white men. Do you think Trump gets more support or ridicule on in this forum? 

[jj22]

He gets his fair share of support here. But support on this board isn't going to elect someone President.

I'm sorry, I just don't believe a black man with that background would have become President. Regardless of Party so I don't think it's politics. Obama couldn't even wear a Tan suit. You guys ignore this, but these are the struggles we have as a race. Held to different standards. Excused by society.

https://www.gq.com/story/barack-obama-tan-suit-anniversary

Most minorities know we have to act a certain way to be accepted outside of our environment. Or else we are quick to be judged as thugs, ghetto etc. If Obama had 3 wives, children by multiple women, argued in court you can't rape your wife, and married a porn star, I can't believe people think he'd be voted POTUS. The denial is real, and probably why things are so slow to change.

[fredtoast]

(07-06-2018, 11:38 AM)bfine32 Wrote:  I have little doubt there will be those trying to persuade them it's not because of Trump and they would be better off with someone else; although history shows otherwise. 

History doesn't show that at all.  The trends that are benefitting them began long before Trump took office.  

In fact Trump wants to deregulat the banking and finance indistry.  What does history tell us about that?

[*bfine32*]

(07-06-2018, 11:52 AM)fredtoast Wrote: History doesn't show that at all.  The trends that are benefitting them began long before Trump took office.  

In fact Trump wants to deregulat the banking and finance indistry.  What does history tell us about that?

As I said there will be those desperately trying to say "Not because of Trump". But the folks benefiting from the current economy may see it differently. The left is in trouble of losing a voting base that they have tried to paint as victims instead of helping and it's scaring the shit out of them. 

[fredtoast]

(07-06-2018, 11:51 AM)jj22 Wrote: He gets his fair share of support here.  But support on this board isn't going to elect someone President.

I'm sorry, I just don't believe a black man with that background would have become President. Regardless of Party so I don't think it's politics. Obama couldn't even wear a Tan suit. You guys ignore this, but these are the struggles we have as a race. Held to different standards. Excused by society. What do you tell your kids when they wonder what's the difference?

https://www.gq.com/story/barack-obama-tan-suit-anniversary

Hillary Clinton was criticized for wearing pant suits.

[jj22]

She was mocked, not criticized.

[Beaker]

(07-06-2018, 11:51 AM)jj22 Wrote: these are the struggles we have as a race. Held to different standards. Excused by society. What do you tell your kids when they wonder what's the difference?

Every race has struggles, every person has struggles. Life is not fair and never will be. I tell my daughter that the life she carves out for herself is largely dependent on her getting educated, working hard at her job (even when it sucks), and not blaming others when things don't go her way. 

[*bfine32*]

(07-06-2018, 11:58 AM)jj22 Wrote: She was mocked, not criticized.

Do you think folks would openly mock a black President because of his skin color or size of his hands?