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Why not O-line "specialists"
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(08-13-2019, 03:03 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Wouldn't that be telegraphing the play?

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(08-13-2019, 03:03 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Wouldn't that be telegraphing the play?


I was thinking the same thing. If we bring only certain lineman out on passing downs, then defenses will definitely key in on that.
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(08-13-2019, 02:54 PM)fredtoast Wrote: If both offenses and defenses bring in a different package of players for passing downs why not substitute O-linemen who are better pass blockers.

Teams already bring in different defensive backs, linebackers, and d-linemen.  Offenses bring in extra WRs and/or different RBs.  So why not different O-line packages for passing downs?

I keep hearing that some of our O-linemen are better run blockers while others are better pass blockers.  So we need to come up with a rotation that gets the most/best use of every player.

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It's 3rd and 46 with 9 seconds left.. Bring in your best run blocker....just to...you know.. Keep em on their toes.. Marvinball at it's finest.. 
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(08-13-2019, 06:24 PM)fredtoast Wrote: It is no different from replacing a TE with an extra WR and bringing in the "3rd down specialist" RB, and every team in the league does that a lot.

No defense is going to be playing the run in 3rd and long no matter who we have on the field.

What happens when they check out of a run to a pass or vice versa?
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(08-14-2019, 03:44 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: What happens when they check out of a run to a pass or vice versa?


Same thing that happens now when we check to a run out of a 4 WR set or check to a pass with a 12 personnel group.

Every NFL team ALREADY switches personnel groups for passing situations.  Defenses already bring in different linemen.  My question is why shouldn't offenses do the same thing.


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(08-14-2019, 03:56 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Same thing that happens now when we check to a run out of a 4 WR set or check to a pass with a 12 personnel group.

Every NFL team ALREADY switches personnel groups for passing situations.  Defenses already bring in different linemen.  My question is why shouldn't offenses do the same thing.

Pre-season seems like the perfect time to try it out.
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(08-14-2019, 03:56 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Same thing that happens now when we check to a run out of a 4 WR set or check to a pass with a 12 personnel group.

Every NFL team ALREADY switches personnel groups for passing situations.  Defenses already bring in different linemen.  My question is why shouldn't offenses do the same thing.

with OL its a little different these guys have to gel and play like a single unit  not 5 players..  that would be hard with to many sub packages.


Now not many years ago we did rotate a few of our OL spots..  I cant remember the year or the guys anymore but when we didn't have top flight talent and needed to keep guys fresh.   so it could be a possibility.. 

But it could also end up being a hard tell if certain linemen are only on certain play types.   where as   Defense do switch and can get caught with wrong personel on the field etc..  


The real downside here fred is we are having trouble finding 5 quality OL guys....  who would you want coming in off the bench to replace one of them if they couldn't beat them in the first place for the job?
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(08-14-2019, 03:56 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Same thing that happens now when we check to a run out of a 4 WR set or check to a pass with a 12 personnel group.

Every NFL team ALREADY switches personnel groups for passing situations.  Defenses already bring in different linemen.  My question is why shouldn't offenses do the same thing.

Are you talking just for a play in a critical situation, or are talking about having essentially two "platoons" of OL that rotate in and out as dictated by down and distance, like with DL?
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(08-13-2019, 02:54 PM)fredtoast Wrote: If both offenses and defenses bring in a different package of players for passing downs why not substitute O-linemen who are better pass blockers.

Teams already bring in different defensive backs, linebackers, and d-linemen.  Offenses bring in extra WRs and/or different RBs.  So why not different O-line packages for passing downs?

I keep hearing that some of our O-linemen are better run blockers while others are better pass blockers.  So we need to come up with a rotation that gets the most/best use of every player.

As has been said i am sure the O-line needs to have chemistry and you don't want to show your hand to what the Offense is doing. Makes it much easier for the Defense when you do this. Just need to have versatile O-lineman who can both pass and run block. Bottom line just start your best 5 O-lineman.
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(08-14-2019, 06:20 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Are you talking just for a play in a critical situation, or are talking about having essentially two "platoons" of OL that rotate in and out as dictated by down and distance, like with DL?


I am talking about a regular sub package just like they already have for almost every other position group.


I keep hearing how some of the guys we have are better pass blockers and some others are better pass blockers.  Since we already sub in an extra WR on passing downs then why not bring in the o-linemen that are better pass blockers.


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