Why the death penalty isn't all bad.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/05/19/3-mississippi-teens-face-capital-murder-charges-in-killing-6-year-old-boy.html

Quote:Three young Mississippi men on Thursday were arrested hours after a 6-year-old boy was found shot dead in his mother's stolen car and the suspects will be charged with capital murder, authorities said.

Madison County District Attorney Michael Guest announced at a news conference that authorities plan to charge Byron McBride, D'Allen Washington and Dwan Wakefield in the death of the child.
Authorities found Kingston Frazier shot at least once in the back seat of his mother's stolen car, which Jackson Police Cmdr. Tyree Jones said was abandoned in a muddy ditch about 15 miles north of the Kroger parking lot where he was taken.
“All they had to do is let this kid off on the side of the road, at a grocery store, at a church, anywhere else, but they chose to kill the kid,” a sheriff spokesman said, according to The New York Times.

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Kingston Frazier  (Mississippi Police)
Frazier had gone missing after 1 a.m. Thursday when a man was seen on video taking the car from the parking lot of a supermarket in Jackson, the state capital, according to authorities.
The mother, Ebony Archie, left the boy in the car, its engine running, while she went inside the supermarket early Thursday, sheriff's deputies have said.
The store's parking lot is patrolled by sheriff's deputies, including one in a golf cart. She reportedly collapsed after learning her child was killed. She was carried outside the district attorney’s office by a family member. 
About nine hours after the boy was reported missing, a man reported the missing Toyota Camry was beside a dead-end road in the northern suburb of Gluckstadt.
Security video shows that after Archie left, another car drove up and a man got out and then drove off in the Camry.
A child abduction alert was played repeatedly Thursday on local newscasts and police and family members issued public appeals for help.
"We've been looking for him for nine hours in every neighborhood in Jackson," said Deanna Moore, the boy's aunt. Addressing those who took the car, she added, "You could have just dropped him off."
Authorities publicly disclosed the boy's death Thursday morning while surrounded by grieving family members.
"A 6-year-old is gone," said Kingston's cousin, Kolby Irby. "His mother has to deal with this. That's her baby."

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From the left, Dwan Wakefield, D’Allen Washington and Byron McBride  (Madison County Detention Center)
The three suspects were arrested within hours of the child's body being found, authorities said, adding video and a witness helped identify them.
Authorities said Washington and Wakefield are both 17. McBride's age was not immediately released.
In Mississippi, 17-year-olds accused of capital murder are tried as adults. The capital murder charge means prosecutors could seek the death penalty if the three are convicted, Guest said.
The district attorney also said it was possible the charges might change, adding the three are expected to make initial court appearances on Monday.
One lawyer said he is not yet officially representing one of them and declined requests for comment. Guest said the other two do not yet have lawyers.
Authorities did not answer questions at the news conference with reporters, and it's unclear what role each of the three suspects is alleged to have played.
Wakefield was a quarterback last year at a high school in Madison County, north of Jackson, county Superintendent Ronnie McGehee told The Clarion-Ledger. McGehee also said Wakefield had been dismissed from the team but didn't elaborate.
The child's body was taken for an autopsy at the state crime lab and the car was towed away by police as they continue to investigate.

It doesn't matter if you're 17 or not. You have an illegal gun, you steal a car, and then you murder a 6-year-old. There's really no redemption from that, and a life sentence would be like 60-70 years of tax payer burden.

[SunsetBengal]

I reckon that hangin' is too good for these fellers. Better just give them shots to put them to sleep..

[HarleyDog]

Somehow this will be Trumps fault. Just give it time.

Kill these shitheads. Don't care how, just do it now. Throw them in a pit of alligators, piranhas, or spiders. Make it painful, make it slow!

[Yojimbo]

My take on death penalty is, if you have video evidence or admission of guilt in cases of murder and rape, hang'em. Otherwise, I'd be cautious because so many death penalty cases have been overturned when new evidence or trials have happened.

[NATI BENGALS]

Coulda been one ring leader and two numb nuts teenagers scientifically proven to be illogical risk takers making bad decisions.

And before we know the full story some people get on board with killing some kids who havent turned 18.

Totally disgusting story. One person pulled the trigger, one person stole the car. Im not comfortable saying kill all 3.

[HarleyDog]

(05-19-2017, 09:36 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Coulda been one ring leader and two numb nuts teenagers scientifically proven to be illogical risk takers making bad decisions.

And before we know the full story some people get on board with killing some kids who havent turned 18.

Totally disgusting story. One person pulled the trigger, one person stole the car. Im not comfortable saying kill all 3.

Kill them. We'll sort it out later!

[Belsnickel]

Vengeance carried out by the state accomplishes nothing other than one, or in this case three, fewer person(s) in the world. I don't support the death penalty, even in this case.

[Yojimbo]

(05-19-2017, 10:38 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Vengeance carried out by the state accomplishes nothing other than one, or in this case three, fewer person(s) in the world. I don't support the death penalty, even in this case.

People who rape and murder don't deserve this world.

[*bfine32*]

(05-19-2017, 10:38 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Vengeance carried out by the state accomplishes nothing other than one, or in this case three, fewer person(s) in the world. I don't support the death penalty, even in this case.

The biggest enigma is those that oppose the death penalty; yet, support abortion.

Personally. I think both should be reserved for extreme circumstances. But lean more toward executing the one that made a conscious decision.

[Millhouse]

Im not in favor of it for all 3, that is just wrong. For the one that pulled the trigger though, I could care less what happens to him. If he doesnt get it, then put him in with the hardest criminals there are in max security for the rest of his life.

On a side note, what was the mother thinking leaving a 6 year old in the car while it was running? This is the perfect case of when a parent fails parenting 101 it directly yet indirectly leads to the death of the child or something else horrible.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(05-20-2017, 02:14 AM)bfine32 Wrote: The biggest enigma is those that oppose the death penalty; yet, support abortion.

Personally. I think both should be reserved for extreme circumstances. But lean more toward executing the one that made a conscious decision.

Another enigma is Christians who believe people will go to Hell for killing, but believe soldiers receive a Get-Out-of-Hell-Free Card for killing during combat.

Also, I haven't read a single person here support abortion, but rather support the freedom for others to decide for themselves.

[Belsnickel]

(05-20-2017, 02:14 AM)bfine32 Wrote: The biggest enigma is those that oppose the death penalty; yet, support abortion.

Personally. I think both should be reserved for extreme circumstances. But lean more toward executing the one that made a conscious decision.

I don't support abortion, I support individual liberty and bodily autonomy. I am morally opposed to abortion but don't see it as the role of the state to make that decision. I don't expect that explanation to ejd future strawman attempts since I have explained this a number of times, but I figured one more go at it.

[*jason*]

(05-19-2017, 09:26 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: Somehow this will be Trumps fault. Just give it time.

Kill these shitheads. Don't care how, just do it now. Throw them in a pit of alligators, piranhas, or spiders. Make it painful, make it slow!

Trump probably had no hand in this incident. Back in the 80s he demanded that a group of teens who were accused of a heinous crime in Central Park be put to death. He went so far as to call them animals... After serving years in prison, their bs conviction was overturned. Moral of the story; it's best to let all of the facts play out before demanding blood.... But yeah. This is sickening.

[*bfine32*]

(05-20-2017, 05:33 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I don't support abortion, I support individual liberty and bodily autonomy. I am morally opposed to abortion but don't see it as the role of the state to make that decision. I don't expect that explanation to ejd future strawman attempts since I have explained this a number of times, but I figured one more go at it.

I am aware of your view; that's why I said it is an enigma. Yours and others support of individual liberty and bodily autonomy makes life cheap and "makes fewer person(s) in the world". It's the same argument that many use to oppose Capital Punishment.

You don't support Capitol Punishment and I do not support abortion "individual liberty and bodily autonomy" when someone wants the child.

Not really sure you are using the term strawman correctly.

[BmorePat87]

The fact that innocent people can still get killed and it costs us much more still outweighs avenging murdered children. From a vengeance standpoint, they're going to get a lot worse if they're in gen pop. I've heard people who harm kids get extra attention.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(05-20-2017, 06:13 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I am aware of your view; that's why I said it is an enigma. Yours and others support of individual liberty and bodily autonomy makes life cheap and "makes fewer person(s) in the world". It's the same argument that many use to oppose Capital Punishment.

You don't support Capitol Punishment and I do not support abortion "individual liberty and bodily autonomy" when someone wants the child.

Not really sure you are using the term strawman correctly.

Same can be said for believing a camouflage uniform absolves a soldier of the sin of killing only makes it that much easier to kill without remorse and thus cheapens life.

[Belsnickel]

(05-20-2017, 06:13 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I am aware of your view; that's why I said it is an enigma. Yours and others support of individual liberty and bodily autonomy makes life cheap and "makes fewer person(s) in the world". It's the same argument that many use to oppose Capital Punishment.

You don't support Capitol Punishment and I do not support abortion "individual liberty and bodily autonomy" when someone wants the child.

Not really sure you are using the term strawman correctly.

It is a strawman, because I do not support abortion. I seek to end the need for the procedure in all but the most dire situations. I just support greater access to contraceptives, greater access to health care, better reproductive education, etc., as a means to that result instead of the state stripping people that have committed no crime of their personal liberty. I only support the state denying someone their liberty in the case of a criminal conviction, and I don't support the state, or anyone else, really, denying someone their life unless they pose an immediate threat to the life of another.

[*bfine32*]

(05-20-2017, 07:46 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I don't support the state, or anyone else, really, denying someone their life unless they pose an immediate threat to the life of another.

I too do not support the state, or anyone else, really, denying someone their life unless they pose an immediate threat to the life of another. This is why I support abortion  "individual liberty and bodily autonomy" if the mother's life is threatened.

Still not a strawman as I have not introduced an argument not made. Of course you support abortion if you do not condemn it and vote against it anytime you are given the opportunity. The enigma is that you cannot support the state executing someone that has committed grave atrocities, but you support  (whatever term you prefer) the state allowing someone to execute their offspring because they want to.  

WTS, just my opinion. As I have always said: Folk's relationship with their maker is a personal one. Mine just points me toward supporting the execution of someone that has murdered, ect...over someone who just hasn't been given to time to be born yet.

[*bfine32*]

(05-20-2017, 07:06 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: The fact that innocent people can still get killed and it costs us much more still outweighs avenging murdered children. From a vengeance standpoint, they're going to get a lot worse if they're in gen pop. I've heard people who harm kids get extra attention.

Of course the cost comes from numerous appeals, ect....The innocent people getting killed I can understand, but we could easily reduce the cost of executing folks.

[BmorePat87]

(05-20-2017, 08:18 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Of course the cost comes from numerous appeals, ect....The innocent people getting killed I can understand, but we could easily reduce the cost of executing folks.

Yea, but the mandatory appeals do act as a safeguard for making sure innocent people aren't killed.