Would you vote for a Muslim for POTUS?

[Belsnickel]

(11-08-2015, 12:08 AM)bfine32 Wrote: I didn't ask how many Western Countries have Muslim elected officials. I asked how many western countries are governed (led) by Muslims.

In a representative government, elected officials are the government, they are the leaders. I do not consider the POTUS the leader of our country. The role is constitutionally no more important than that of Congress.

[*bfine32*]

(11-08-2015, 12:11 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: In a representative government, elected officials are the government, they are the leaders. I do not consider the POTUS the leader of our country. The role is constitutionally no more important than that of Congress.

That is interesting. How many Western Countries are governed by Muslims?

Do you want me to give you the answer; as you seem to not grasp the question?

[Belsnickel]

(11-08-2015, 12:17 AM)bfine32 Wrote: That is interesting. How many Western Countries are governed by Muslims?

Do you want me to give you the answer; as you seem to not grasp the question?

I grasp the question perfectly. You seem to be unable to grasp the concept of representative governments, which are what most western countries are.

[StLucieBengal]

(11-08-2015, 12:10 AM)GodHatesBengals Wrote: This right here. Secularism is what tempers religious extremism. 

So you favor Assad as leader of Syria over an Islamic elected government then...   Or is that only applicable in western countries?

Not trying to get into a Syria debate. Btw ... Secular vs non secular is what I am asking

[*bfine32*]

(11-08-2015, 12:21 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: I grasp the question perfectly. You seem to be unable to grasp the concept of representative governments, which are what most western countries are.

Yet cannot answer it; except to say I don't know.

Let's try this: How many Western Countries are represented by Muslim leadership?

[StLucieBengal]

Muslim leadership would jail and/or punish everything holy to the liberals.

Which in itself is kinda funny since they are the biggest defenders.

[*bfine32*]

(11-08-2015, 12:32 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Muslim leadership would jail and/or punish everything holy to the liberals.  

Which in itself is kinda funny since they are the biggest defenders.

Seems they would be OK with a "Token Muslim"

[GMDino]

(11-08-2015, 12:25 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Yet cannot answer it; except to say I don't know.

Let's try this: How many Western Countries are represented by Muslim leadership?

(11-08-2015, 12:32 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Muslim leadership would jail and/or punish everything holy to the liberals.  

Which in itself is kinda funny since they are the biggest defenders.

Ruh roh Raggy!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2015/11/05/muslim-majority-city-council-may-1st-usa/75259712/

Quote:HAMTRAMCK, Mich. — Hamtramck residents have elected a Muslim majority to its city council, symbolizing the demographic changes that have transformed the city once known for being a Polish-Catholic enclave.

In Tuesday's election — with six candidates running for three seats — the top three vote-getters were Muslim, while the bottom three were non-Muslim. Two of the Muslim candidates, Anam Miah and Abu Musa, are incumbent city councilmen, while newcomer Saad Almasmari, the top vote-getter, was also elected. Incumbent City Councilman Robert Zwolak came in fifth place.
Some believe the city is the first in the U.S. with a Muslim majority on its city council.
"Hamtramck has made history," said Hamtramck community leader Bill Meyer. "The election was far from close, with the three Muslim winners each gaining over 1,000 votes, while the other three candidates garnered less than 700 votes each."
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Formerly known for its Polish population, Hamtramck is now about 24% Arab (mostlyYemeni); 19% African-American; 15% Bangladeshi; 12% Polish; and 6% Yugoslavian (many Bosnian), according to U.S. Census figures.
The percentage of residents who are Muslim is unclear since the U.S. Census does not ask about religion. Estimates of the Muslim population range from one-third to more than one-half of city residents.
Almost all of the Yemeni-Americans in Hamtramck are Muslim, while the growingBangladeshi-American community in Hamtramck has Muslims, Hindus and Buddhists. The city has a Bangladeshi Hindu temple and Bangladeshi mosques.

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O'Malley slams anti-Islam hate in Michigan talk

On Friday, Gov. Rick Snyder is to attend the opening of Bangla Town, an area that will celebrate Bangladeshi-American culture in Hamtramck and bordering Detroit neighborhoods. About 41% of the city are immigrants, the highest percentage among cities in metro Detroit. Pope John Paul II, who was Polish, visited Hamtramck in 1987; a statue of him commemorating his visit sits in a city park.
Three of the Muslims on Hamtramck's City Council are of Bangladeshi descent, while Almasmari is of Yemeni descent. The council's only other Arab-American Muslim in its history was Abdul Algazali, who died in February.

Saad Almasmari was the top vote-getter in Nov. 3, 2015, election in Hamtramck for City Council. (Photo: Saad Almasmari, Facebook)

The issue of Islam has sometimes come up in recent years as the Muslim population grows. After contentious debate, the city allowed in 2004 theMuslim call to prayer to be broadcast publicly five times a day from mosques through loudspeakers.
The call to prayer has drawn complaints from residents who say it's loud and intrusive, waking them up early and bothering them. City Council candidateSusan Dunn, who came in fourth place, raised the issue during the campaign, prompting a response from Almasmari during a city council meeting last month.
"We all want to live peacefully and respectfully," he said to the council during the October meeting, according to a video he posted to his Facebook account. "Our special thing is ... the diversity in this town."
Almasmari said the call to prayer "is not as loud as (Dunn) thinks." Moreover, if "we are considering the call to prayer as noise," then so would "the loud music all night long while we are sleeping."

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Anti-Islam rallies across USA making Muslims wary

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"We as Muslims respect our neighbors and we don't like to bother anybody," he said. "As the Prophet Mohammed said: he who believes in Allah and the last day, let him not harm his neighbors."
Meyer, who is not Muslim, said that Muslims in Hamtramck "have helped bring stability, security and sobriety while lessening the amount of drugs and crime in the city."

[*bfine32*]

(11-08-2015, 12:46 AM)GMDino Wrote: Ruh roh Raggy!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2015/11/05/muslim-majority-city-council-may-1st-usa/75259712/

bfine32 Wrote:That is interesting. How many Western Countries are governed by Muslims?

Do you want me to give you the answer; as you seem to not grasp the question?

[StLucieBengal]

(11-08-2015, 12:46 AM)GMDino Wrote: Ruh roh Raggy!

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2015/11/05/muslim-majority-city-council-may-1st-usa/75259712/

Funny you should bring up Michigan..... You know the Muslim bakers also refuse to make cakes or participate in or for gay marriages.

How does that sit with you?..... should these people be forced to participate or lose their business plus fined for over 150k?

[fredtoast]

(11-07-2015, 09:46 PM)GodHatesBengals Wrote: Nope. 


But I would vote for a Christian.

Likewise, I would vote for a Muslim, but not for an ISIS member.

Somebody gets it.

Rep.

[fredtoast]

(11-08-2015, 03:30 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Funny you should bring up Michigan..... You know the Muslim bakers also refuse to make cakes or participate in or for gay marriages.  

How does that sit with you?.....  should these people be forced to participate or lose their business plus fined for over 150k?

The laws apply the same to everyone.  If a Muslim gets taken to court for this then the courts will rule the same way they did with the others.

[fredtoast]

(11-07-2015, 11:04 PM)bfine32 Wrote: The premise of the thread is a mystery; as you cannot bring the beliefs of Muslims into the equation.

The premise is pretty easy to understand for most people.

We have had Christian Presidents who have been able to separate their religious beliefs from their official government policy on issues like abortion and same sex marraige.  However some people don't believe Muslims are capable of doing this.  They believe that, unlike some Christians, ALL Muslims are fanatically devoted to their religious beliefs.  These are the people who stereotype ALL Muslims as violent extremists.

Get it now?

[*bfine32*]

(11-08-2015, 06:08 AM)fredtoast Wrote: The premise is pretty easy to understand for most people.

We have had Christian Presidents who have been able to separate their religious beliefs from their official government policy on issues like abortion and same sex marraige.  However some people don't believe Muslims are capable of doing this.  They believe that, unlike some Christians, ALL Muslims are fanatically devoted to their religious beliefs.  These are the people who stereotype ALL Muslims as violent extremists.

Get it now?

So the purpose of the OP was.....

[GMDino]

(11-08-2015, 10:45 AM)bfine32 Wrote: So the purpose of the OP was.....

...over your head and beyond your comprehension?

[GodHatesBengals]

(11-08-2015, 12:22 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: So you favor Assad as leader of Syria over an Islamic elected government then...   Or is that only applicable in western countries?

Not trying to get into a Syria debate.  Btw ... Secular vs non secular is what I am asking

I favor government that is based on a separation of church and state.

[*bfine32*]

(11-08-2015, 10:55 AM)GMDino Wrote: ...over your head and beyond your comprehension?

Well that wasn't very helpful.

So going it alone, I'd say the purpose of the OP (with public poll) was a feeble attempt to try to paint some board members as closed minded and/or bigoted. Because outside of that I has no idea why a candidate's beliefs were introduced in the thread if we were not supposed to consider them.

Was I at least close?

[GMDino]

(11-08-2015, 11:06 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Well that wasn't very helpful.

So going it alone, I'd say the purpose of the OP (with public poll) was a feeble attempt to try to paint some board members as closed minded and/or bigoted. Because outside of that I has no idea why a candidate's beliefs were introduced in the thread if we were not supposed to consider them.

Was I at least close?

I'd assume not since Fred posted the exact reason and you a)ignored it or b)don't understand it.

Maybe if he had mention the KKK?

[GodHatesBengals]

(11-08-2015, 11:06 AM)bfine32 Wrote: Well that wasn't very helpful.

So going it alone, I'd say the purpose of the OP (with public poll) was a feeble attempt to try to paint some board members as closed minded and/or bigoted. Because outside of that I has no idea why a candidate's beliefs were introduced in the thread if we were not supposed to consider them.

Was I at least close?

The purpose of the OP is right there in the title of the thread. If you feel it has painted you as bigoted, then perhaps you shouldn't have responded. It's important to remember that you don't have to reply to anything at all on this board. 

[*bfine32*]

(11-08-2015, 11:10 AM)GMDino Wrote: I'd assume not since Fred posted the exact reason and you a)ignored it or b)don't understand it.

Maybe if he had mention the KKK?

Oh, I went back and read Fred's "reason". Seems he was trying to determine which board members were "open-minded" enough to be willing to vote for a POTUS despite his religious beliefs and wanted to ensures folk's votes were public. Because he definitely didn't want to have a discussion about how a Muslim's beliefs could influence his policies as President.

Guess I'm off base. I'll work on the comprehension think that you suggest I am lacking. Thanks for the advice.