stormy daniels releases sketch of guy who intimidated her

[StLucieBengal]

(04-18-2018, 01:29 PM)hollodero Wrote: I don't know... I don't see people calling her a victim. While it is kind of true, promising a job in exchange for sex, albeit doing so indirectly maybe, is close to sexual harassment, but I see no one cry a tear over poor Stormy here.



Sure, I agree and I doubt many wouldn't agree. That's how it goes though. Like Trump would probably say - that makes her smart.

1. Its actually prostitution.

2. When you sell your home you don’t get to go back and undo the sale because property values went up a year after. She signed a deal and it was a bad deal. Allowing her to undo that agreement without penalty is pretty amazing.

[*Nately120*]

I hope I'm president someday so people can endlessly debate my sexual misadventures.

[hollodero]

(04-18-2018, 11:06 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: 1. Its actually prostitution.  

I see. So that makes Trump a john who didn't pay up initially. In your book, in mine he's still just a lying, cheating sleazebag and she's just going for opportunities, unfettered by such inhibiting factors as morals and decency. Like he usually does too, so. How you say, goes around comes around, or something like that.

(04-18-2018, 11:06 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: 2. When you sell your home you don’t get to go back and undo the sale because property values went up a year after.

Sure. Problem is, this really isn't a house sell here. You usually "get to" speak about that whenever you want, you can't be forbidden to speak about it, you can be fined for speaking about it if there's an agreement in place that is actually crafted well.

(04-18-2018, 11:06 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: She signed a deal and it was a bad deal.   Allowing her to undo that agreement without penalty is pretty amazing.

Yes it is. Pretty amazing that Michael Cohen did such an amazingly bad job. Paying out of his own pocket, not letting one party sign the agreement... and then, if true, also sending out a guy to threaten her. Yeah, I don't hold Stormy in high esteem for what she does and how she behaves, certainly not, but I do kind of understand that she doesn't feel obliged to comply with the badly crafted agreement and instead goes for the big bucks. Makes her smart.

[GMDino]

(04-18-2018, 11:06 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: 1. Its actually prostitution.  

2. When you sell your home you don’t get to go back and undo the sale because property values went up a year after.   She signed a deal and it was a bad deal.   Allowing her to undo that agreement without penalty is pretty amazing.

1. She was not paid to have sex.  And if he promised her a job just to have sex with her he is more at fault than she is.

2.  Maybe you can?

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/383825-former-playboy-model-let-out-of-agreement-can-discuss-alleged-trump-affair

Quote:Former Playboy model Karen McDougal has reportedly been let out of a contract with the parent company of The National Enquirer and can now freely discuss her alleged affair with President Trump.

McDougal reached a settlement Wednesday with American Media Inc. (AMI), freeing her from the deal for the exclusive rights to her story, The New York Times reported.

McDougal had sued to be released from the agreement, claiming she was misled about the terms. She also claimed that Michael Cohen, Trump's personal attorney, inappropriately intervened in the deal.

The publisher, whose chairman, David Pecker, is a friend of Trump's, purchased the rights to her story for $150,000 ahead of the 2016 election but never ran any pieces on it, using a tabloid "catch and kill" maneuver.

Under Wednesday's terms, AMI will retain the rights to photographs of McDougal that it purchased and holds claim over up to $75,000 in any future profits she makes off the story. The former Playboy model will keep the original $150,000 payment.

"Today, I’m doing my victory dance,” McDougal told the Times, adding she currently has no plans to sell her tale to a second buyer.

“It’s a total win,” said her lawyer, Peter Stris. “We got everything we were fighting for — she got out of the contract, gets the life rights back and owes AMI nothing more.”

The alleged affair, which McDougal says happened more than a decade ago, came after Trump's marriage to now-first lady Melania Trump.

AMI had sought to have McDougal's case dismissed in court, but that was before last week's FBI raids on Cohen's home and office, reportedly seeking documents on McDougal, among other topics.

The raid came in part from a referral from special counsel Robert Mueller.

Cohen is reportedly under criminal investigation for possible campaign finance and bank fraud violations.

The Times reports that AMI is facing a Federal Election Commission complaint that its $150,000 payment to McDougal was an illegal campaign expenditure.

Cohen is still being sued by adult-film star Stormy Daniels, another woman who says she was paid for her silence about an affair with Trump.

The White House says Trump denies both women's stories.

[*PhilHos*]

(04-18-2018, 11:14 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I hope I'm president someday so people can endlessly debate my sexual misadventures.

AND those on your side of the political aisle will eagerly defend them!!

[*Nately120*]

(04-19-2018, 02:11 PM)PhilHos Wrote: AND those on your side of the political aisle will eagerly defend them!!

Well I'm a libertarian so the fact that I think people should be free to do whatever they like with consenting adults might make that defense seem quite plausible.  

[*PhilHos*]

(04-19-2018, 02:30 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Well I'm a libertarian so the fact that I think people should be free to do whatever they like with consenting adults might make that defense seem quite plausible.  

Well, there goes your bid for presidency. 

[StLucieBengal]

(04-19-2018, 09:45 AM)GMDino Wrote: 1. She was not paid to have sex.  And if he promised her a job just to have sex with her he is more at fault than she is.

2.  Maybe you can?

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/383825-former-playboy-model-let-out-of-agreement-can-discuss-alleged-trump-affair

She didn’t get the job, so she negotiated a 125k payment for not telling her story.

She took another form of payment. So yes she did get paid.

[StLucieBengal]

(04-19-2018, 06:27 AM)hollodero Wrote: I see. So that makes Trump a john who didn't pay up initially. In your book, in mine he's still just a lying, cheating sleazebag and she's just going for opportunities, unfettered by such inhibiting factors as morals and decency. Like he usually does too, so. How you say, goes around comes around, or something like that.



Sure. Problem is, this really isn't a house sell here. You usually "get to" speak about that whenever you want, you can't be forbidden to speak about it, you can be fined for speaking about it if there's an agreement in place that is actually crafted well.



Yes it is. Pretty amazing that Michael Cohen did such an amazingly bad job. Paying out of his own pocket, not letting one party sign the agreement... and then, if true, also sending out a guy to threaten her. Yeah, I don't hold Stormy in high esteem for what she does and how she behaves, certainly not, but I do kind of understand that she doesn't feel obliged to comply with the badly crafted agreement and instead goes for the big bucks. Makes her smart.

1. She took another form of payment and gave up the right to tell her story. She sold low thinking he was not going to be elected.

No one is debating whether Trump is not a sleeze. The issue is her having regrets over a bad deal she agreed. As soon as she cashed the check she agreed to terms, she also could have sent back the 125k at any time. They still haven’t.

2. Cohen isn’t a very good lawyer but none of that I relevant. She took the money so in taking that she has to keep quiet. She hasn’t so she will inevitably get sued. And lose unless an agreement is reached, but why would you have an agreement with a person who doesn’t keep terms to any deal.

[GMDino]

(04-19-2018, 06:57 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: She didn’t get the job,  so she negotiated a 125k payment for not telling her story.  

She took another form of payment.  So yes she did get paid.

$130,000 and an agreement that was never signed.  Sounds like no deal.  

[JustWinBaby]

What cracks me up.....Slick Willy would never have needed to pay Stormy

[hollodero]

(04-19-2018, 07:03 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: 1. She took another form of payment and gave up the right to tell her story.   She sold low thinking he was not going to be elected.  

No one is debating whether Trump is not a sleeze.  The issue is her having regrets over a bad deal she agreed.   As soon as she cashed the check she agreed to terms, she also could have sent back the 125k at any time.   They still haven’t.

2.  Cohen isn’t a very good lawyer but none of that I relevant.  She took the money so in taking that she has to keep quiet.   She hasn’t so she will inevitably get sued.   And lose unless an agreement is reached,

The alleged threat aside (if true, that's something else), I guess you're right, Stormy's in for the money and "honorable" is not the word I'd associate with her actions. But how is that relevant. That's just what you get for sleeping with porn stars, it can backfire when these women are given an oportunity. And for all I see, she's given that opportunity because Michael Cohen screwed it up. Again, you can't use your personal funds to pay off people on behalf of your client. You also need the client to sign the agreement. Or you can get battled legally. That's just how these things go.

I don't praise Stormy for how she behaves. It's just that I can't blame her for taken the opportunity. Trump created that mess, and Cohen messed up the cleaning. She just does what Trump would call smart, because there seems to be a good chance that agreement gets called at least something close to null and void now. Don't make her the scapegoat for Trump's mess.

(04-19-2018, 07:03 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: but why would you have an agreement with a person who doesn’t keep terms to any deal.

Yeah... it's just, Trump is the one person who really does not get to complain about that.

[StLucieBengal]

(04-19-2018, 09:04 PM)GMDino Wrote: $130,000 and an agreement that was never signed.  Sounds like no deal.  

As soon as she cashed that check it’s an agreement.

[StLucieBengal]

(04-20-2018, 08:47 AM)hollodero Wrote: The alleged threat aside (if true, that's something else), I guess you're right, Stormy's in for the money and "honorable" is not the word I'd associate with her actions. But how is that relevant. That's just what you get for sleeping with porn stars, it can backfire when these women are given an oportunity. And for all I see, she's given that opportunity because Michael Cohen screwed it up. Again, you can't use your personal funds to pay off people on behalf of your client. You also need the client to sign the agreement. Or you can get battled legally. That's just how these things go.

I don't praise Stormy for how she behaves. It's just that I can't blame her for taken the opportunity. Trump created that mess, and Cohen messed up the cleaning. She just does what Trump would call smart, because there seems to be a good chance that agreement gets called at least something close to null and void now. Don't make her the scapegoat for Trump's mess.



Yeah... it's just, Trump is the one person who really does not get to complain about that.

1. I’m not saying anything over a threat. It honestly looks like bs, just like this whole case. Her lawyer is just trying to play games, if an attorney wants to get you they will most of the time.

2. Stormy defaulted on an agreement, she took money. Went back on the deal and didn’t even return the money.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(04-18-2018, 01:29 PM)hollodero Wrote: I don't know... I don't see people calling her a victim. While it is kind of true, promising a job in exchange for sex, albeit doing so indirectly maybe, is close to sexual harassment, but I see no one cry a tear over poor Stormy here.

Not to belittle porn stars as people, because whatever, it's their choice on how to make a living, but isn't that kind of her career choice rather than sexual harassment?

"I'll give you a job/money, give me sex."

The only difference being they have a camera and a license, and then distribute evidence of the sex to the whole world, rather than not record it and try to keep is secret.