(03-13-2020, 10:56 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I own 5 businesses and employ over 400 people. I have lead for over 45 years in business. I am just fine, Trump is just fine and a great leader of people. Leaders get results, community organizers speak well but have no clue how to get results.

Trump led businesses into bankruptcy 6 times.  He ran for office in a country whose banks would no longer loan him money. And he still won't release his tax returns.

Those are "results" for sure.

I know one community organizer who spoke well and led the US successfully for 8 years, a guy who released his tax returns every year as president.

The majority of the US population and the international community agrees.

(03-13-2020, 11:51 AM)GMDino Wrote: His "leadership" has been in getting rubes to think he is successful and smart when he is neither.

HE IS PRESIDENT AND YOU ARE?????????

(03-13-2020, 11:58 AM)Catmandude123 Wrote:  The president's job is to keep the public safe and keep panic from destroying us. HE IS NOT A SCIENTIST.  If sleepy Joe was in office everything would be exactly the same if not worse. Some idiots think that the scientists who are working on this will magically come up with a vaccine because the head of the government who has absolutely nothing to do with developing it has changed. The scientists stated it would take a year for a vaccine when it was discovered back in January.

I'm not talking about Trump...Trump in my mind is a single person who is indicative of our society and its desires.  My interest in the population's reaction to the coronavirus is that we are talking about a disease that is being handled by scientists and yet you can pretty much judge a person's perception of the threat of it by his voting record.

I do have to wonder what Trump would be tweeting about this if he hadn't won the election.  I think he'd want to slag on the liberal media for causing a fake news panic, but at the same time I could picture him tweeting that Hillary Clinton was going to botch this thing and lead to a plague sweeping the country while he would have had it fixed in no time if only we elected him.

Stuff like this intrigues me, not the concept of Creepy Uncle Joe Biden sleeping at this switch instead of crazy ass Trump.

(03-13-2020, 11:58 AM)Catmandude123 Wrote:  The president's job is to keep the public safe and keep panic from destroying us. HE IS NOT A SCIENTIST.  If sleepy Joe was in office everything would be exactly the same if not worse. Some idiots think that the scientists who are working on this will magically come up with a vaccine because the head of the government who has absolutely nothing to do with developing it has changed. The scientists stated it would take a year for a vaccine when it was discovered back in January.

DJT said "Two months"...among the other wrong/stupid things he's said because he is one of those stupid people who believes they are smart.  "smart" like dismantling the until designed to handle these outbreaks because "No one could have seen it coming".

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/3/13/21176535/trumps-worst-statements-coronavirus



"some idiots"

(03-13-2020, 12:02 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: HE IS PRESIDENT AND YOU ARE?????????

Careful, the KKK might hear this and think you are insinuating that Obama is better than them.

(03-13-2020, 12:01 PM)Dill Wrote: I know one community organizer who spoke well and led the US successfully for 8 years, a guy who released his tax returns every year as president.

Who led our country into the biggest racial divide since the civil war and left office ten's of millions richer than when he entered? Gave billions to Iran and abandoned our ambassador and troops to be slaughtered by his buddies in ISIS? Yeah that was your buddy Obama.

(03-13-2020, 12:09 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: Who led our country into the biggest racial divide since the civil war and left office ten's of millions richer than when he entered? Gave billions to Iran and abandoned our ambassador and troops to be slaughtered by his buddies in ISIS? Yeah that was your buddy Obama.

OBAMA WAS PRESIDENT AND YOU ARE?????????

(03-13-2020, 12:10 PM)Nately120 Wrote: OBAMA WAS PRESIDENT AND YOU ARE?????????

I am an American citizen who loves that we finally have a President who is looking out for America. TRUMP 2020

(03-13-2020, 12:09 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: Who led our country into the biggest racial divide since the civil war 

The "racial divide" was much worse during the Jim Crowe era than during the Obama administration.

(03-13-2020, 12:09 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote:  Gave billions to Iran

He negotiated a treaty to control Iran's development of nuclear weapons.  That is something we don't have any more.  Iran is a much larger threat now thn they were under Obama.

(03-13-2020, 12:09 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: abandoned our ambassador and troops to be slaughtered by his buddies in ISIS? 

Those allegations have been investigated at least nine times by REPUBLICAN controlled congress and no blame was ever placed on Obama.


You obviously live in the right wing echo chamber instead of in reality.

(03-13-2020, 12:16 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: I am an American citizen who loves that we finally have a President who is looking out for America. TRUMP 2020

I'm just pointing out that it is funny you used the "HE IS PRESIDENT" argument when you clearly have the ability to consider people who achieve the office of being president to be terrible.

I will say the same thing I said to the Obama lovers...I envy that you can look at the president and get all starry-eyed and happy.

Welcome to P&R people, but fake news doesn't fly around here.

(03-13-2020, 12:23 PM)jj22 Wrote: Welcome to P&R people, but fake news doesn't fly around here.

In all fairness, cries of fake news and evil media bias has hit Jungle Noise pretty hard for the past month, too.

(03-13-2020, 10:56 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote:  Leaders get results, community organizers speak well but have no clue how to get results.

Then compare the last three years of the Obama administration with the three years of the Trump administration and explain to me why Obama was able to create MORE jobs and grow GDP at about the same rate with about HALF THE AMOUNT OF DEFICIT SPENDING?


..Budget deficit......GDP growth...Jobs added

(Obama)
2014.....$485B...…....2.5%...……..3.00 million
2015.....$438B...…….2.9%...……..2.71 million
2016.....$585B...…….1.6%...……..2.34 million
(Trump)
2017.....$665B...…….2.4%...……..2.18 million
2018.....$779B...…….2.9%...……..2.63 million
2019.....$1092B...…..2.1%...……..2.11 million

(03-13-2020, 12:09 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: Who led our country into the biggest racial divide since the civil war and left office ten's of millions richer than when he entered? Gave billions to Iran and abandoned our ambassador and troops to be slaughtered by his buddies in ISIS? Yeah that was your buddy Obama.

There are plenty of criticisms to be had of his administration, but none of them are what you've listed. Obama didn't lead our country into the biggest racial divide. It was during his administration that having phones capable of recording video became mainstream. This new avenue of information sharing exposed just how racist our law enforcement still is, like a festering wound of a supposedly forward-thinking society. 

Also, in what exact ways do you believe that Iran was not adhering to the deal they made with the U.S.?

(03-13-2020, 12:20 PM)Nately120 Wrote: .I envy that you can look at the president and get all starry-eyed and happy.

I hate the way you and others despise a man who only looks to better the position of our citizens while you and others laud the left and the way they want to turn America into a socialist country or elect a man who wants to extend his corruption to the oval office.

(03-13-2020, 12:30 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: I hate the way you and others despise a man who only looks to better the position of our citizens while you and others laud the left and the way they want to turn America into a socialist country or elect a man who wants to extend his corruption to the oval office.

Man that's some grade-A projecting right there.  You hate the way I'm apparently the exact opposite of you, hate what you love, love what you hate and strive to completely ruin the country while you laud the man who is ushering us into a golden age.



My question was how you can look at the president and get all starry-eyed and proud and I think I got my answer there.

(03-13-2020, 12:30 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: I hate the way you and others despise a man who only looks to better the position of our citizens while you and others laud the left and the way they want to turn America into a socialist country or elect a man who wants to extend his corruption to the oval office.

Socialist. You know who's been the biggest socialist in the last two decades? Bush/Trump and their bailouts. Trump is on a role being a socialist if you want to put aside talking points and focus on facts.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/460421-donald-trump-is-a-sometimes-socialist

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/461505-judd-gregg-trump-is-the-almost-occasionally-pretty-close-to-socialist-policy

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-trumps-startling-blunt-exercise-in-socialism-is-overlooked-by-his-backers-2019-09-16

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-is-the-true-socialist/2019/07/25/4f45410c-af1a-11e9-8e77-03b30bc29f64_story.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/why-donald-trumpand-bernie-sanders-are-both-running-on-socialism/2020/02/12/2e7e52cc-4db9-11ea-967b-e074d302c7d4_story.html

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/feb/8/rep-justin-amash-ex-republican-trump-admin-pursuin/

I don't think socialism is the best angle to defend Trump. Just a heads up.

(03-13-2020, 12:28 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Then compare the last three years of the Obama administration with the three years of the Trump administration and explain to me why Obama was able to create MORE jobs and grow GDP at about the same rate with about HALF THE AMOUNT OF DEFICIT SPENDING?


..Budget deficit......GDP growth...Jobs added

(Obama)
2014.....$485B...…....2.5%...……..3.00 million
2015.....$438B...…….2.9%...……..2.71 million
2016.....$585B...…….1.6%...……..2.34 million
(Trump)
2017.....$665B...…….2.4%...……..2.18 million
2018.....$779B...…….2.9%...……..2.63 million
2019.....$1092B...…..2.1%...……..2.11 million

There goes Fred cherry picking stats again. Why don't you show the years 2009(1400b and 1000b more than 2008) and 2010(1200b) years of his presidency?Our President rebuilt the Military while your president went on an apology tour for defeating our enemies.

(03-13-2020, 12:46 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: There goes Fred cherry picking stats again. Why don't you show the years 2009(1400b and 1000b more than 2008) and 2010(1200b) years of his presidency?Our President rebuilt the Military while your president went on an apology tour for defeating our enemies.

It never ceases to amaze me how Obama can up the killings and bombings and his fan club calls him a peace-lover who deserves the Nobel Prize and his detractors act like he's some sort of wimpy flower-child.

Stuff like this is why I'm addicted to political banter.

"leadership"

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