I’d also like to see people who had this mystery illness in late 2019 tested to see if they had it. My sister and co-worker had it, and it does sound a lot like what Covid is.

(04-17-2020, 09:50 AM)michaelsean Wrote: I’d also like to see people who had this mystery illness in late 2019 tested to see if they had it. My sister and co-worker had it, and it does sound a lot like what Covid is.

But, so does every respiratory illness from a cold to bronchitis to pneumonia. But, the vast majority aren’t getting tested. At a local hospital they have 8 patients under investigation for Covid-19. I know as a fact.

There is also a tent for outpatient testing. I’ve heard they are testing 15-25 patients per day. I know this as a rumor from other providers who have observed the testing site.

Added: Spoke with someone with direct knowledge of testing site’s numbers and they’re averaging about 10 tests/day. That’s just pitiful.

(04-17-2020, 10:07 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: But, so does every respiratory illness from a cold to bronchitis to pneumonia. But, the vast majority aren’t getting tested. At a local hospital they have 8 patients under investigation for Covid-19. I know as a fact.

There is also a tent for outpatient testing. I’ve heard they are testing 15-25 patients per day. I know this as a rumor from other providers who have observed the testing site.

I’m just curious. Nobody could say what it was, and it hit them hard. One week basically incapacitated. Three weeks of a bad cough and maybe a week or two of a nagging cough.

(04-16-2020, 09:22 AM)GMDino Wrote: As I read through I saw a handful of my friends on there...but most seem to be from the Eastern and Central part of the state so I'm assuming Eagles.  

Steegles

(04-17-2020, 10:28 AM)michaelsean Wrote: I’m just curious. Nobody could say what it was, and it hit them hard. One week basically incapacitated. Three weeks of a bad cough and maybe a week or two of a nagging cough.

At that point it was more likely the flu. But, I’ve got the same problem as a provider; I’m curious, but I can’t test. They’ve got me in a tent in a parking lot wearing full PPE examining patients with respiratory symptoms with limited resources, but I can’t test any of them for this coronavirus. Best I can do is give them a phone number where they can be screened. If they meet the testing protocol they will be given an appointment to be tested in a different tent across town. But, the people at that tent aren’t providers so they can’t do any treatment or diagnosis anyone with anything. So they can test, but not treat. I can treat, but not test. It’s f’n stupid and that’s just the tip of the stupidity iceberg.

I’m just gonna leave this here.

NSFW!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GLcNStHTDjM

(04-17-2020, 04:09 PM)BengalHawk62 Wrote: I’m just gonna leave this here.

NSFW!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GLcNStHTDjM

How is this guy not in the WWE? His signature move could be the Adjustable Rate Mortgage. Or how ‘bout the Chapter 13 Bankruptcy?

I’d buy PPV to see him come off the top rope to put the smack down on Mnuchin.

(04-17-2020, 04:30 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: How is this guy not in the WWE?  His signature move could be the Adjustable Rate Mortgage. Or how ‘bout the Chapter 13 Bankruptcy?

I’d buy PPV to see him come off the top rope to put the smack down on Mnuchin.

Actually, they just laid off the guy who played IRS. 

(04-17-2020, 07:37 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Because it’s guidelines?  He didn’t actually shut down businesses and send twenty million people to the unemployment lines.

This place is impossible. Nobody can get past Trump to discuss something.

Nice how he gets to wash his hands of the scenario while governors bear the brunt of the peanut gallery criticism, right?  Trump was scared shitless when this thing became a clear problem.  He took no responsibility (literally, his words), so now the ones that did get to deal with the villagers, torches and pitchforks.  

(04-17-2020, 08:09 AM)michaelsean Wrote: The people who want to open things up again are all crazy right wing extremists?  Nobody here has an opinion on these statements?

At least two of the movements (Michigan, Kentucky) are headed by precisely those people.  I suspect all of them are, but don't have the data, much like many who suspect that the virus is overblown because of personal hunches, except I'm likely correct.

Kentucky's organizer is Erika Lasher Calihan, owner of Overstock Warehouse, Bevin cabinet member, and radical Republican operative.  They are absolutely meant to be power grabs taking advantage of their easily manipulated outrage junkie QAnon followers.  

These people have to get their shots in so they can characterize Dem governors as Hitler when the next election hits.  They are the same types of people that watch Alex Jones and harass the parents of Sandy Hook victims.  Human garbage.

Today I read that the Republican Trump supporters on QAnon are convinced that the virus and reaction is just a false flag. It's meant provide cover for field hospitals to be built over underground facilities where mutant mole/human hybrid children are being bred to fuel pedophilia rings. The liberal elites also apparently use these kids to support their cannabalistic eating habits (really), and harvest their adrenal gland for a drug called adrenachrome, which isn't really a thing that exists (except in Hunter Thompson books). It's all an attempt to rescue the children from the perverts. People believe this. These are exactly the kinds of people protesting at state capitals. I'd bet a house payment that there's an abundance of Q stickers on cars at the rallies.

Patriots gonna Patriot I guess.

Fox News host attacks Michigan governor for calling out swastikas at yesterday's protest against social distancing, saying that they were being displayed ironically pic.twitter.com/qBLaZ15hqv

— John Whitehouse (@existentialfish) April 17, 2020

(04-17-2020, 07:36 PM)GMDino Wrote:

Fox News host attacks Michigan governor for calling out swastikas at yesterday's protest against social distancing, saying that they were being displayed ironically pic.twitter.com/qBLaZ15hqv

— John Whitehouse (@existentialfish) April 17, 2020

I just called out the use of racial epithets on a subreddit for Virginia gun news. It was being used ironically, but that doesn't matter. It is directed at Northam and the clan robe controversy, but using it so freely in the forum does nothing but feed the idea that the pro-2A crowd are racist extremists. If no one blinks an eye at it, if it is accepted, then that is how it will be seen.

If you bring swastikas to a rally and are using them to say the people you are protesting share Nazi qualities, then they better have the "anti" symbol on top of them, otherwise you're going to send the wrong message.

(04-17-2020, 07:36 PM)GMDino Wrote:

Fox News host attacks Michigan governor for calling out swastikas at yesterday's protest against social distancing, saying that they were being displayed ironically pic.twitter.com/qBLaZ15hqv

— John Whitehouse (@existentialfish) April 17, 2020

So not a paid Soros plant to make them look bad?

Rise in coronavirus cases in states without stay-home orders, in the past week:

OK +53%
AR +60%
NB. +74%
IA. +82%
SD. +205% https://t.co/94UVzDh8rQ

— Trip Gabriel (@tripgabriel) April 17, 2020

 

(04-17-2020, 07:45 PM)GMDino Wrote:

Rise in coronavirus cases in states without stay-home orders, in the past week:

OK +53%
AR +60%
NB. +74%
IA. +82%
SD. +205% https://t.co/94UVzDh8rQ

— Trip Gabriel (@tripgabriel) April 17, 2020

 

This doesn’t tell the whole story and could be misleading. Yesterday’s numbers Trump used to suggest reopening the country are intentionally misleading.

A stat based upon one week’s worth of data isn’t as useful as trends over a longer period of time. Also, the lack of testing is affecting our numbers and disease surveillance which makes trends and projections less accurate.

It’s like looking at one frame from a movie without knowing what happened before or after that one frame.

Bottom line, we need more testing to create more data to make better informed decisions on how to proceed for what is best to preserve lives and protect the economy. Instead of hawking unproven miracle cures or promoting misleading data to protect the President’s re-election bid rather than protecting the citizens.

It’s not letting me link the article, but google “eager to return to normal, Trump and Pence offer questionable coronavirus data” from The Washington Post for the explanation on why their numbers from yesterday are deliberately misleading.

Last week the governor of Texas announced part of a plan to reopen the state’s businesses.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/texas-ease-coronavirus-lockdown-under-executive-order-restore-livelihoods-governor-says-1497371%3famp=1

Quote:Abbott also promised testing for the coronavirus that causes the disease COVID-19 would be part of the plan. On Wednesday, the governor announced that Walgreens locations would soon offer a test that can be administered via the drive-thru window, and will provide results within 15 minutes. Abbott estimates that each Walgreens store could test as many as 3,000 people a day.

Wow. 3000 test a day at every Walgreens in Texas every day! Since there are only 1,440 minutes in every day, they will need to swab 1 person every 30 seconds 24 hours a day nonstop which ain’t happening.

And then there is this . . .

https://www.abbott.com/corpnewsroom/product-and-innovation/detect-covid-19-in-as-little-as-5-minutes.html

Quote:Through the incredible work of teams across Abbott [Labs], we expect to deliver 50,000 COVID-19 tests per day to healthcare professionals on the front lines, where testing capabilities are needed most," said Chris Scoggins, senior vice president,

Wow. 50,000 test produced a day. If we divide that by 50 states that’s a 1,000 tests per states assuming every state gets an equal share (which they won’t.)

Now you’re asking, “Hmm, I wonder how many Walgreens stores are in Texas?”

https://news.walgreens.com/fact-sheets/store-count-by-state.htm

Quote:Texas 704

So 1000 tests divided by 704 locations means each Walgreens in Texas can complete 1.42 tests per day. That’s slightly less than 3,000/day. And if Texas were somehow able to secure the entire inventory of 50,000 kits/day then every Walgreens in Texas could complete 71 tests/day which is still slightly less than 3,000 tests/day. And because the ID One test platform only runs one sample at a time and each test takes up to 13 minutes every Walgreens in Texas needs to be open almost 16 hours everyday just to do the 71 test/day. But, they aren’t open that long so they won’t be able to perform 71 tests/day even if they bought every test produced.

So my question is this: is the governor of Texas a liar, an idiot, or does he think you’re a bunch of idiots?

(04-17-2020, 03:16 AM)samhain Wrote: Assemblies that present a danger to public health or threaten lives aren't either.  You're seeing the corona deniers come out of the woodwork to minimize the disease now that the curve seems to be flattening.  My money is on it flattening because of the measures taken meant to do exactly that.  Is this the case?  We'll find out soon enough when things loosen up and we start getting out again.  

I think the protestors are dumb and the government shutting down things was ultimately the right move. That doesn't mean I trust the government or believe that the government can pick a chose when we get our full rights. The Bill of Rights to protect individual rights when they are under attack or being limited. It doesn't need to exist to allow us to take actions the government supports. It exists to ensure we are allowed to take action the government would otherwise limit. If rights apply only on a circumstantial basis - they don't really exist. 

How do we prevent the government from issuing these orders every flu season or every time there is (or they say there is) a potential danger lurking in the future?


Maybe think of this question in terms of things you don't agree with to gain a different perspective. 


Trump shows us a slideshow of horrific numbers and scary estimates of mass deaths do to an uncontained disease outbreak in poor, shit hole countries. To stop the spread of this virus in the US we must completely close the border with Mexico (including increased border security to prevent people trying to sneak in) as well as a travel ban to and from various African, South American and Muslim majority countries deemed hot spots. California is also quarantined since the libs there encourage homeless encampments and love supporting illegal immigrants - both of which of course will increase the spread of the disease.  How do we make sure Trump is doing what's truly right?

(04-17-2020, 06:35 PM)samhain Wrote: Nice how he gets to wash his hands of the scenario while governors bear the brunt of the peanut gallery criticism, right?  Trump was scared shitless when this thing became a clear problem.  He took no responsibility (literally, his words), so now the ones that did get to deal with the villagers, torches and pitchforks.  

Oh the poor governors? So you wanted Trump to act the dictator?

(04-18-2020, 08:15 AM)6andcounting Wrote: I think the protestors are dumb and the government shutting down things was ultimately the right move. That doesn't mean I trust the government or believe that the government can pick a chose when we get our full rights. The Bill of Rights to protect individual rights when they are under attack or being limited. It doesn't need to exist to allow us to take actions the government supports. It exists to ensure we are allowed to take action the government would otherwise limit. If rights apply only on a circumstantial basis - they don't really exist. 

How do we prevent the government from issuing these orders every flu season or every time there is (or they say there is) a potential danger lurking in the future?


Maybe think of this question in terms of things you don't agree with to gain a different perspective. 


Trump shows us a slideshow of horrific numbers and scary estimates of mass deaths do to an uncontained disease outbreak in poor, shit hole countries. To stop the spread of this virus in the US we must completely close the border with Mexico (including increased border security to prevent people trying to sneak in) as well as a travel ban to and from various African, South American and Muslim majority countries deemed hot spots. California is also quarantined since the libs there encourage homeless encampments and love supporting illegal immigrants - both of which of course will increase the spread of the disease.  How do we make sure Trump is doing what's truly right?

Going back to a document written in the 1700s to protest a virus in 2020 is some of the dumbest shit I have ever heard. Boy I have been saying that last bit way too much these last few years.

You know I read my bible the other day and it didn’t even mention the words Coronavirus or Covid. So we must get out to waive Trump flags and protest the mechanisms that prevent the spread of a deadly disease... These people are a special kind of stupid. My god..