(05-15-2020, 06:31 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Actually YOU are the one who is very confused.  You can't just do whatever you want because this is a "free country".  What if you wanted to go to a game completely naked?  Or what if you wanted to take in a bottle of liquor along with your handgun?  Or what if you wanted to take your pet tiger?

You are going to extremes here. I'm not talking about breaking any laws. Everything you said would be breaking the law.. I'm just tal ko king about going to a sporting event or not wearing a mask, if I don't feel the need to...

There really is no good answer. We can’t hide from a virus forever, and hell, our immune systems may actually be hurting from not being around it as much. People are going to die, but I think it’s up to a persons own discretion if they want to risk leaving the house or not.

I get the argument of “you may harm others”, but those others have the freedom to lock themselves inside and stay away from you, that is their freedom and their choice. No one is forcing them to go to the grocery store or go to church... we live in a day in age where if you want to go full quarantine you can! If people want to go to a football game I say let them! If you are worried about then spreading it to you, then stay at home!

The unfortunate ones are those who have to work with the public, but it’s impossible to protect someone from the masses. Every time you leave your house in a vehicle there are drunk drivers, unlicensed drivers and outright bad drivers. You can choose to not drive and not risk it, or you can live with the small chance you’ll get crashed into. Life happens...

(05-16-2020, 05:27 PM)GreenCornBengal Wrote: There really is no good answer. We can’t hide from a virus forever, and hell, our immune systems may actually be hurting from not being around it as much. People are going to die, but I think it’s up to a persons own discretion if they want to risk leaving the house or not.

I get the argument of “you may harm others”, but those others have the freedom to lock themselves inside and stay away from you, that is their freedom and their choice. No one is forcing them to go to the grocery store or go to church... we live in a day in age where if you want to go full quarantine you can! If people want to go to a football game I say let them! If you are worried about then spreading it to you, then stay at home!

The unfortunate ones are those who have to work with the public, but it’s impossible to protect someone from the masses. Every time you leave your house in a vehicle there are drunk drivers, unlicensed drivers and outright bad drivers. You can choose to not drive and not risk it, or you can live with the small chance you’ll get crashed into. Life happens

This post is based around common sense. Well written!

Other than viruses that are associated with risky behavior (STD’s/ Hepatitis) it is almost impossible to not be exposed to a cumminicable virus that doesn’t have a vaccine. Our immune system makes antibodies, then we move on. Hell, the flu virus is a “best guess” scenario every year. It only contains 4 strains of the virus against multiple type (A,B,C,D) strains that you may come in contact with...and it’s only 40-60% effective..thus the Andy Dalton of Vaccines. We are actually delaying herd immunity and people who are at risk will still be at risk next year and the following year. All social distancing was intended to do was to not overload hospitals, it was never intended to “stop the virus”. I have members who work in hospitals and they are being forced into taking time off because they had allocated so much resources for COVID that never happened and are now losing money. I was told that one facility only used 13% of beds, ventilators and staff that they were told to prepare for. Look, I don’t want people to get sick or die but we must have a common sense approach to this....if you feel you are at risk, take necessary precautions. The quicker herd immunity happens, the quicker we get through this.

(05-16-2020, 06:52 PM)Gamma Ray Tan Wrote: Other than viruses that are associated with risky behavior (STD’s/ Hepatitis) it is almost impossible to not be exposed to a cumminicable virus that doesn’t have a vaccine. Our immune system makes antibodies, then we move on. Hell, the flu virus is a “best guess” scenario every year. It only contains 4 strains of the virus against multiple type (A,B,C,D) strains that you may come in contact with...and it’s only 40-60% effective..thus the Andy Dalton of Vaccines. We are actually delaying herd immunity and people who are at risk will still be at risk next year and the following year. All social distancing was intended to do was to not overload hospitals, it was never intended to “stop the virus”. I have members who work in hospitals and they are being forced into taking time off because they had allocated so much resources for COVID that never happened and are now losing money. I was told that one facility only used 13% of beds, ventilators and staff that they were told to prepare for. Look, I don’t want people to get sick or die but we must have a common sense approach to this....if you feel you are at risk, take necessary precautions. The quicker herd immunity happens, the quicker we get through this.

(05-16-2020, 06:52 PM)Gamma Ray Tan Wrote: Other than viruses that are associated with risky behavior (STD’s/ Hepatitis) it is almost impossible to not be exposed to a cumminicable virus that doesn’t have a vaccine. Our immune system makes antibodies, then we move on. Hell, the flu virus is a “best guess” scenario every year. It only contains 4 strains of the virus against multiple type (A,B,C,D) strains that you may come in contact with...and it’s only 40-60% effective..thus the Andy Dalton of Vaccines. We are actually delaying herd immunity and people who are at risk will still be at risk next year and the following year. All social distancing was intended to do was to not overload hospitals, it was never intended to “stop the virus”. I have members who work in hospitals and they are being forced into taking time off because they had allocated so much resources for COVID that never happened and are now losing money. I was told that one facility only used 13% of beds, ventilators and staff that they were told to prepare for. Look, I don’t want people to get sick or die but we must have a common sense approach to this....if you feel you are at risk, take necessary precautions. The quicker herd immunity happens, the quicker we get through this.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/without-a-vaccine-herd-immunity-wont-save-us/

(05-16-2020, 05:27 PM)GreenCornBengal Wrote: There really is no good answer. We can’t hide from a virus forever, and hell, our immune systems may actually be hurting from not being around it as much. People are going to die, but I think it’s up to a persons own discretion if they want to risk leaving the house or not.

I get the argument of “you may harm others”, but those others have the freedom to lock themselves inside and stay away from you, that is their freedom and their choice. No one is forcing them to go to the grocery store or go to church... we live in a day in age where if you want to go full quarantine you can! If people want to go to a football game I say let them! If you are worried about then spreading it to you, then stay at home!

The unfortunate ones are those who have to work with the public, but it’s impossible to protect someone from the masses. Every time you leave your house in a vehicle there are drunk drivers, unlicensed drivers and outright bad drivers. You can choose to not drive and not risk it, or you can live with the small chance you’ll get crashed into. Life happens...

Nice post. Unfortunately some folks don't like the truth so be ready for the attacks.

(05-16-2020, 05:17 PM)Tony Wrote: You are going to extremes here. I'm not talking about breaking any laws. Everything you said would be breaking the law.. I'm just tal ko king about going to a sporting event or not wearing a mask, if I don't feel the need to...

So you have never been to a restaurant that requires a tie and jacket?

Try to get in without them and see what happens.

You have no idea how "freedom" and "constitutional rights" work at all.

(05-16-2020, 06:52 PM)Gamma Ray Tan Wrote: Other than viruses that are associated with risky behavior (STD’s/ Hepatitis) it is almost impossible to not be exposed to a cumminicable virus that doesn’t have a vaccine. Our immune system makes antibodies, then we move on. Hell, the flu virus is a “best guess” scenario every year. It only contains 4 strains of the virus against multiple type (A,B,C,D) strains that you may come in contact with...and it’s only 40-60% effective..thus the Andy Dalton of Vaccines. We are actually delaying herd immunity and people who are at risk will still be at risk next year and the following year. All social distancing was intended to do was to not overload hospitals, it was never intended to “stop the virus”. I have members who work in hospitals and they are being forced into taking time off because they had allocated so much resources for COVID that never happened and are now losing money. I was told that one facility only used 13% of beds, ventilators and staff that they were told to prepare for. Look, I don’t want people to get sick or die but we must have a common sense approach to this....if you feel you are at risk, take necessary precautions. The quicker herd immunity happens, the quicker we get through this.

And another well written post. I completely agree. I don't wish any harm to anyone but at the same time we have to go on living.

(05-16-2020, 10:06 PM)fredtoast Wrote: So you have never been to a restaurant that requires a tie and jacket?

Try to get in without them and see what happens.

You have no idea how "freedom" and "constitutional rights" work at all.

You do realize that not allowing people to assemble as well as other parts of this quarantine were completely trampling our first amendment rights.

Freedom of religion which goes into the whole separation of church and state.

(05-16-2020, 05:27 PM)GreenCornBengal Wrote:  Every time you leave your house in a vehicle there are drunk drivers, unlicensed drivers and outright bad drivers. You can choose to not drive and not risk it, or you can live with the small chance you’ll get crashed into. Life happens...

So you are saying we should not make it against the law for people to drive drunk, without a license, or recklessly?

We can't make laws to make us safer because everyone should be free to chose if they want to drive drunk or not?  Because people that don't want to take to risk of driving on a road with drunks are free to stay at homae?

(05-16-2020, 10:18 PM)fredtoast Wrote: So you are saying we should not make it against the law for people to drive drunk, without a license, or recklessly?

We can't make laws to make us safer because everyone should be free to chose if they want to drive drunk or not?  Because people that don't want to take to risk of driving on a road with drunks are free to stay at homae?

Based off of posts I've read from you before I know you're not really that dumb. Come on Fred! You're better than that. 

Unfortunately during certain times of the day/year you are at greater risks of being hit by a drunk driver. Which is why I don't particularly like driving at those times and very much avoid doing it. Or in other words I'd rather not take the risk and choose to stay home.

Taken from the jokes thread . . .

(05-16-2020, 10:45 PM)HarleyDog Wrote:

1) Only N95 masks prevent the wearer from contracting communicable respiratory infections. These masks are recommended for healthcare workers treating sick patients. So the healthcare worker doesn’t get sick and spread the infection to unsuspecting patients (many whom are high risk) during the incubation period or while asymptomatic. Currently, there is a shortage of N95 masks because healthcare workers are dealing with a global pandemic. There aren’t enough N95 masks for healthcare workers. Which means there aren’t enough N95 masks for healthcare workers and prisoners.

2) The CDC recommends the general population wear procedure masks when in public. Or some sort of face covering. Procedure masks DO NOT prevent the wearer from getting sick. Procedure masks DO prevent the wearer from spreading their nasty ass germs everywhere and may reduce the chance of getting others sick by containing the respiratory droplets. Think of them as a fence around your face to keep the germs from running into loose. Similar to my backyard fence to keep my dogs from running loose through the neighborhood.

Did your mom ever tell you to cover your mouth and nose when you coughed or sneezed when you were a kid? Yeah, she did. Why? So you wouldn’t get the rest of the family sick with your nasty ass germs. Procedure masks are a substitute for covering your mouth and nose with your hand. Except the procedure masks keeps your hand from getting contaminated with your nasty ass germs and spreading them to other people when your touching all the shit at Walmart then putting it back.

As a healthcare worker, I’m soooooooo tired of right wing sources spreading shit like this.

(05-16-2020, 11:13 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: As a healthcare worker, I’m soooooooo tired of right wing sources spreading shit like this.

It was a meme. 

(05-16-2020, 11:13 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Taken from the jokes thread . . .


1) Only N95 masks prevent the wearer from contracting communicable respiratory infections. These masks are recommended for healthcare workers treating sick patients. So the healthcare worker doesn’t get sick and spread the infection to unsuspecting patients (many whom are high risk) during the incubation period or while asymptomatic. Currently, there is a shortage of N95 masks because healthcare workers are dealing with a global pandemic. There aren’t enough N95 masks for healthcare workers. Which means there aren’t enough N95 masks for healthcare workers and prisoners.

2) The CDC recommends the general population wear procedure masks when in public. Or some sort of face covering.  Procedure masks DO NOT prevent the wearer from getting sick. Procedure masks DO prevent the wearer from spreading their nasty ass germs everywhere and may reduce the chance of getting others sick by containing the respiratory droplets. Think of them as a fence around your face to keep the germs from running into loose. Similar to my backyard fence to keep my dogs from running loose through the neighborhood.

Did your mom ever tell you to cover your mouth and nose when you coughed or sneezed when you were a kid?  Yeah, she did. Why? So you wouldn’t get the rest of the family sick with your nasty ass germs. Procedure masks are a substitute for covering your mouth and nose with your hand. Except the procedure masks keeps your hand from getting contaminated with your nasty ass germs and spreading them to other people when your touching all the shit at Walmart then putting it back.

As a healthcare worker, I’m soooooooo tired of right wing sources spreading shit like this.

Oh jebus...*I* had to explain to people yesterday why the boxes say they aren't for covid-19.

So many people just refuse to wear a mask and stay willingly ignorant.

They asked why they have to wear a mask in Walmart in PA but not Best Buy in WV and I explained they SHOULD wear them both places but because we don't have a consistent message from the top of the country everyone is making up their own rules.

It's sad.

(05-16-2020, 11:56 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: It was a meme. 

A meme spreading fake news BS that someone made because that believe that fake news BS.  Unfortunately, correcting this particular type of fake news bullshit is literally part of my job.

(05-16-2020, 10:30 PM)Mer Wrote: Based off of posts I've read from you before I know you're not really that dumb. Come on Fred! You're better than that. 

We put laws in place to protect people from drunk drivers, and they have proven tyo work.  There is a direct correlation to the decline in percentage of DUI acvcidents and deaths and increased maditory penalties put in place over the years.

So it is kind of silly to use drunk drivers as an argument as to why we should not have laws in place to protect innocent citizens from the poor decisions of others.

(05-17-2020, 10:54 AM)fredtoast Wrote: We put laws in place to protect people from drunk drivers, and they have proven tyo work.  There is a direct correlation to the decline in percentage of DUI acvcidents and deaths and increased maditory penalties put in place over the years.

So it is kind of silly to use drunk drivers as an argument as to why we should not have laws in place to protect innocent citizens from the poor decisions of others.

I have no problem with drunk driving laws. It just seemed you were going to a silly extreme to make your point earlier.

But I also think it's silly to declare we've discovered life in space when a tiny single celled organism is discovered there; yet a multicellular organism in a woman's womb with a heartbeat is not considered a life but a choice. But what do I know?

(05-17-2020, 10:54 AM)fredtoast Wrote: We put laws in place to protect people from drunk drivers, and they have proven tyo work.  There is a direct correlation to the decline in percentage of DUI acvcidents and deaths and increased maditory penalties put in place over the years.

So it is kind of silly to use drunk drivers as an argument as to why we should not have laws in place to protect innocent citizens from the poor decisions of others.

The drunk driving comparison of my post was not to compare the need for laws but to compare the fact that when you leave your house there is always a risk of getting hurt or worse killed.

I never mentioned laws in relation to covid, I think you are blending other posts with mine.

(05-17-2020, 11:09 AM)Mer Wrote: But I also think it's silly to declare we've discovered life in space when a tiny single celled organism is discovered there; yet a multicellular organism in a woman's womb with a heartbeat is not considered a life but a choice. But what do I know?

Well you clearly know nothing about abortion law either.

The tiny single cell organism in space is not a parasite.  It can survive without depending on another individual who has controlover their own body.

In other words educate yourself as to why the United States Supreme Court allowed strict restrictions on abortions IN THE THIRD TRIMESTER.  Learn more than just repeating right-wing talking points.