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Goldman Sachs Concludes Obamacare Added 500k Jobs - GMDino - 04-11-2017 http://www.investopedia.com/insights/goldman-sachs-concludes-obamacare-added-500k-jobs/?partner=YahooSA&yptr=yahoo&ref=yfp Quote:The first Republican attempt to replace Obamacare crumbled before it even hit the House floor last month. But that doesn’t mean the party’s efforts to overturn the lightning-rod healthcare law are over. (See: What If Obamacare Is Repealed?) Read more: Goldman Sachs Concludes Obamacare Added 500k Jobs | Investopedia http://www.investopedia.com/insights/goldman-sachs-concludes-obamacare-added-500k-jobs/#ixzz4dwW5zI9o Follow us: Investopedia on Facebook RE: Goldman Sachs Concludes Obamacare Added 500k Jobs - xxlt - 04-11-2017 (Sigh) we live in a post fact era. Obamacare is a job killing failure. In other news, ignorance is strength, freedom is slavery, and war is peace. RE: Goldman Sachs Concludes Obamacare Added 500k Jobs - PhilHos - 04-11-2017 Quote:However, that gain could also have negatives, theoretically contributing to higher medical bills for the average American who seeks out medical care. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the MAIN purpose of the ACA to LOWER the cost of healthcare? So, whoop de doo, the ACA may have created new jobs, but at least the average American's medical bills went up. ![]() You know what will create even MORE jobs? Higher insurance premiums! Let's raise ALL the premiums so EVERYONE can have a job!!! /sarcasm RE: Goldman Sachs Concludes Obamacare Added 500k Jobs - GMDino - 04-11-2017 (04-11-2017, 12:45 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the MAIN purpose of the ACA to LOWER the cost of healthcare? So, whoop de doo, the ACA may have created new jobs, but at least the average American's medical bills went up. It was to provide more american's with medical coverage. You know what makes premiums go up? Insurance companies that put profit over people. But I guess a new plan that has fewer people getting insurance, loss of jobs AND higher health care cost will be much better because....uh, Obama? ![]() RE: Goldman Sachs Concludes Obamacare Added 500k Jobs - PhilHos - 04-11-2017 (04-11-2017, 01:09 PM)GMDino Wrote: 1)It was to provide more american's with medical coverage. 1) Yeah, it FORCED more American's to sign up for medical coverage AND it also FORCED many Americans who already had insurance to pay higher premiums among many other issues, but hey, at least, the cost of health care went UP. ![]() 2) This is true, but not all insurance companies do so. I can tell you that the one my company uses is not selfish like that and yet my premiums still went up because of Obamacare. But, I guess it's better to stick your fingers in your ears, wail about selfish insurance companies than actually trying to fix the problems (not that the GOP's most recent plan was any good). 3) While the GOP's most recent plan sucked, there is certainly a myriad of problems with Obamacare that need to be addressed, but I guess it's better to do nothing and let things get worse because ... uh, Trump? ![]() RE: Goldman Sachs Concludes Obamacare Added 500k Jobs - GMDino - 04-11-2017 (04-11-2017, 01:17 PM)PhilHos Wrote: 1) Yeah, it FORCED more American's to sign up for medical coverage AND it also FORCED many Americans who already had insurance to pay higher premiums among many other issues, but hey, at least, the cost of health care went UP. 1) It also forced companies to provide insurance for those that needed it the most. 2) So you're saying costs always go up...but now it is the fault of the ACA because...reasons. For the record our insurance did NOT go up this past year and our coverage got better. 3) Well then why "repeal and replace" with something that provides less for more money? Oh, right...Obama. Just because Trump told it things are "getting worse" and Obamacare was a "job killer" doesn't mean it's true. ![]() RE: Goldman Sachs Concludes Obamacare Added 500k Jobs - NATI BENGALS - 04-11-2017 Health care costs were going up before Obama. Acting like the rising costs are something totally new and only happened because of the ACA is crazy. How much of a strain has the heroin epidemic put on our health care system? We are all paying for that. With or without ACA itcwould have been a tax payer burden. When they run opiod addiction commercials 100 times a day on TV they are doing it for a reason. Some people are making major money off of that. If only my family had health insurance.. RE: Goldman Sachs Concludes Obamacare Added 500k Jobs - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 04-11-2017 (04-11-2017, 01:17 PM)PhilHos Wrote: 1) Yeah, it FORCED more American's to sign up for medical coverage AND it also FORCED many Americans who already had insurance to pay higher premiums among many other issues, but hey, at least, the cost of health care went UP.You have employer sponsored health insurance so if your costs went up it is due to the same factors that have caused health insurance costs to go up for at least the last half century. That's the nature of health insurance. My health insurance cost went down last year. This year I'm going to save between $600-700 per month on health insurance. My savings don't have anything to do with Obamacare just like your increased costs don't, either. I'm so sick of the propaganda coming from both sides. RE: Goldman Sachs Concludes Obamacare Added 500k Jobs - Griever - 04-11-2017 a lot of the cost in certain states were due to the states not expanding medicare RE: Goldman Sachs Concludes Obamacare Added 500k Jobs - Aquapod770 - 04-11-2017 (04-11-2017, 01:09 PM)GMDino Wrote: It was to provide more american's with medical coverage. A lot of people who gained coverage under the ACA were due to the expansion of medicaid. Hospitals and Doctors take a loss when treating medicaid patients, and those losses get passed on to those who can pay. So costs go up. Crazy, I know. ![]() RE: Goldman Sachs Concludes Obamacare Added 500k Jobs - GMDino - 04-11-2017 (04-11-2017, 03:11 PM)Aquapod770 Wrote: A lot of people who gained coverage under the ACA were due to the expansion of medicaid. Hospitals and Doctors take a loss when treating medicaid patients, and those losses get passed on to those who can pay. So costs go up. Crazy, I know. If a doc wants to charge $75 for a procedure and medicaid only pays 75% he has to charge $100. then he has to charge everyone who is not being paid for by medicaid the $100 or its fraud. They aren't "taking a loss" unless they don't price accordingly. Also, people who have NO insurance and stick the doctors with unpaid bills also make the costs go up. RE: Goldman Sachs Concludes Obamacare Added 500k Jobs - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 04-11-2017 (04-11-2017, 03:11 PM)Aquapod770 Wrote: A lot of people who gained coverage under the ACA were due to the expansion of medicaid. Hospitals and Doctors take a loss when treating medicaid patients, and those losses get passed on to those who can pay. So costs go up. Crazy, I know. Nineteen states didn't expand Medicaid under Obamacare. Do you have a breakdown of the numbers for the other 31 states as to who bought individual policies on the exchanges vs. Medicaid expansion vs. who gained employer sponsored health insurance as a result of Obamacare vs. who lost employer sponsored health insurance as a result of Obamacare and if they received Medicaid vs. buying a policy on an exchange vs. paying the fine? Because if you do I would like to see those numbers. RE: Goldman Sachs Concludes Obamacare Added 500k Jobs - xxlt - 04-11-2017 (04-11-2017, 01:35 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Health care costs were going up before Obama. Acting like the rising costs are something totally new and only happened because of the ACA is crazy. Clearly you haven't been paying attention to who is saying those things. To say they are crazy is to point out the obvious. RE: Goldman Sachs Concludes Obamacare Added 500k Jobs - xxlt - 04-11-2017 (04-11-2017, 02:49 PM)Griever Wrote: a lot of the cost in certain states were due to the states not expanding medicare So? Screw the poor! RE: Goldman Sachs Concludes Obamacare Added 500k Jobs - Millhouse - 04-11-2017 I wont doubt the report due to others out there reporting similar findings, but Goldman Sachs though? They are one of Satan's top companies on Wall Street. RE: Goldman Sachs Concludes Obamacare Added 500k Jobs - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 04-11-2017 (04-11-2017, 03:15 PM)GMDino Wrote: If a doc wants to charge $75 for a procedure and medicaid only pays 75% he has to charge $100. then he has to charge everyone who is not being paid for by medicaid the $100 or its fraud. They aren't "taking a loss" unless they don't price accordingly. There are things Medicaid doesn't even reimburse the provider the cost of what is ordered. But, the same is true of Medicare and private insurances companies. What those things are varies from one company to the next. For example, one private health insurance company only reimburses the provider $115 for an office visit. Even if that patient needs more than $115 dollars worth of testing. RE: Goldman Sachs Concludes Obamacare Added 500k Jobs - GMDino - 04-11-2017 (04-11-2017, 03:46 PM)Millhouse Wrote: I wont doubt the report due to others out there reporting similar findings, but Goldman Sachs though? They are one of Satan's top companies on Wall Street. ...and thus are on the current administration's cabinet. ![]() RE: Goldman Sachs Concludes Obamacare Added 500k Jobs - Millhouse - 04-11-2017 (04-11-2017, 03:53 PM)GMDino Wrote: ...and thus are on the current administration's cabinet. Yep. The election was a win/win for them tho lol, as they loved the Clintons too. RE: Goldman Sachs Concludes Obamacare Added 500k Jobs - GMDino - 04-11-2017 (04-11-2017, 03:58 PM)Millhouse Wrote: Yep. The election was a win/win for them tho lol, as they loved the Clintons too. Oh, no. THOSE people (the ones who liked the Clintons) were evil and bad THESE (on the current cabinet) are all great people. Really great. Some of the best I've heard people say. ![]() RE: Goldman Sachs Concludes Obamacare Added 500k Jobs - fredtoast - 04-11-2017 (04-11-2017, 01:17 PM)PhilHos Wrote: I can tell you that the one my company uses is not selfish like that and yet my premiums still went up because of Obamacare. I can 100% guarantee you that the one your company uses does everything possible to maximize profits. If they didn't then the stockholders would remove the board of trustees. I also guarantee that you have no idea why your premiums went up. They had been going up regularly before the ACA and you have no clue why. |