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"The Resistance" is unhinged - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 01-09-2018 Trump was just named "The World’s No. 1 Oppressor Of Press Freedom" by the Committee to Protect Journalists. I have been asked why I'm not more vocal about the things I dislike about Trump or why I don't consider myself part of "The Resistance". This is an excellent example of why. The opposition is just as unhinged and given to idiocy as Trump is. To name Trump the world's #1 oppressor of press freedom in a world with China, Russia, N. Korea, most of the Middle East, Venezuela, Cuba, Pakistan and Myanmar is hysterical, idiotic hyperbole at its finest. We certainly haven't had a POTUS as hostile towards the press since Nixon, but last I looked we had unrestricted internet access, no journalists were being jailed, etc. Is name calling and denigration really on par with physical violence and threats now? I may not like Trump, but I cannot, and will not, align myself with simpletons just as extreme. This kind of idiocy is what passes for discourse on both sides nowadays. No thanks, I'll play Switzerland with no qualms about it. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-oppressor-press-freedom_us_5a54bc75e4b003133ecc3439?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009 RE: "The Resistance" is unhinged - Belsnickel - 01-09-2018 I don't disagree. I may make jokes about him, because it is hard to resist, but my arguments are more about what he actually does. The sensationalism that these people engage in is harmful to the country, and harmful to their cause. I would rather use my energy working on policies, working to win elections, etc. RE: "The Resistance" is unhinged - GMDino - 01-09-2018 (01-09-2018, 08:01 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I don't disagree. I may make jokes about him, because it is hard to resist, but my arguments are more about what he actually does. The sensationalism that these people engage in is harmful to the country, and harmful to their cause. I would rather use my energy working on policies, working to win elections, etc. Except the OP is a bit misleading. Trump was given an award for: Overall Achievement in Undermining Global Press Freedom Luckily I read why. Quote:The United States, with its First Amendment protection for a free press, has long stood as a beacon for independent media around the world. While previous U.S. presidents have each criticized the press to some degree, they have also made public commitments to uphold its essential role in democracy, at home and abroad. Trump, by contrast, has consistently undermined domestic news outlets and declined to publicly raise freedom of the press with repressive leaders such as Xi, Erdoğan, and Sisi. Authorities in China, Syria, and Russia have adopted Trump's "fake news" epithet, and Erdoğan has applauded at least one of his verbal attacks on journalists. Under Trump's administration, the Department of Justice has failed to commit to guidelines intended to protect journalists' sources, and the State Department has proposed to cut funding for international organizations that help buttress international norms in support of free expression. As Trump and other Western powers fail to pressure the world's most repressive leaders into improving the climate for press freedom, the number of journalists in prison globally is at a record high. It *is* about what he does. And how his "brand" of oppression has helped other countries do the same thing. And how as the American President he should be telling other countries that the free press is a GOOD thing. Oh, and they handed out plenty of other "awards" to other world leaders: Quote:Most Thin-skinned So less "the resistance is unhinged" (this time) and more a group concerned with journalism around the world recognized his actions and words as the "leader of the free world" as being bad for them. RE: "The Resistance" is unhinged - 6andcounting - 01-09-2018 It has to be exhausting going nuts over every little thing he does every single day. The left's version of Sean Hannity is literally everyone on the left. RE: "The Resistance" is unhinged - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 01-09-2018 (01-09-2018, 08:01 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: I don't disagree. I may make jokes about him, because it is hard to resist, but my arguments are more about what he actually does. The sensationalism that these people engage in is harmful to the country, and harmful to their cause. I would rather use my energy working on policies, working to win elections, etc. Precisely. Too bad the following poster doesn't realize this. (01-09-2018, 08:20 PM)GMDino Wrote: Except the OP is a bit misleading. Direct quotes from HuffPo. Quote:Trump was given an award for:Ah, the semantic argument. How I've missed you. Quote:Luckily I read why. Yes, I remember how much better press freedoms were in oppressive countries when Obama was POTUS. So much has changed in a single year. Quote:Oh, and they handed out plenty of other "awards" to other world leaders: How would that make their hyperbolic "award" to Trump any less hyperbolic? Quote:So less "the resistance is unhinged" (this time) and more a group concerned with journalism around the world recognized his actions and words as the "leader of the free world" as being bad for them. Nah, more a group looking to grab headlines by making an inane claim and piling on in hyperbolic fashion. I know when you're fully immersed in the crazy it's hard to see it. Those of us outside of it don't seem to have any problems recognizing it though. The journalism profession has descended into the muck with Trump and are trying to fight him at his own game. The look only the worse for doing so. RE: "The Resistance" is unhinged - StLucieBengal - 01-09-2018 The more SSF posts the more I just say ..... I agree. RE: "The Resistance" is unhinged - bfine32 - 01-09-2018 (01-09-2018, 08:20 PM)GMDino Wrote: Except the OP is a bit misleading. So "Overall Achievement in Undermining Global Press Freedom" is different than "The World’s No. 1 Oppressor Of Press Freedom" because...... RE: "The Resistance" is unhinged - GMDino - 01-09-2018 (01-09-2018, 11:25 PM)bfine32 Wrote: So "Overall Achievement in Undermining Global Press Freedom" is different than "The World’s No. 1 Oppressor Of Press Freedom" because...... Because they didn't say he was oppressing the free press. They said he was undermining it on multiple levels. Through his speech and his lack of standing up for the press in his own country and around the world. He didn't shut them down...he simply insists they are liars and "fake" and....wait for it...undermines their legitimacy to reach his own ends. Two very different meanings to the words "undermining" and "oppressing". Not just semantics...real world definitions. There are plenty of groups and individuals who go to far with everything Trump does. This doesn't quite come close to that level unless someone wants to force it in. RE: "The Resistance" is unhinged - hollodero - 01-09-2018 (01-09-2018, 11:25 PM)bfine32 Wrote: So "Overall Achievement in Undermining Global Press Freedom" is different than "The World’s No. 1 Oppressor Of Press Freedom" because...... But that are actually two things that ring a bit different. This "No.1" wording is way more bombastic and hence sounds even more ridiculous. Might not be much, but they are not the same and it takes no native speaker to see that. I generally agree though that it's ridiculous in both cases. The OP has a point, I just believe that at some point it gets evenly petty to complain about the other side's pettiness, at least evenly pointless. This is a fake award given out by a group of people who might very well overdo it and act hysterical, but in no way align with the "left" in general or paint an accurate picture of everything anti-Trump. You can very well be quite anti-Trump without having to resort to any king of exaggerations or even hysterias like those. Trump and what he does is so way more important than what the "Committee to Protect Journalists" does, or Huffington or whatever targets there are. I feel it's beside the point to focus on those possible or actual missteps and hence indirectly end up giving Trump a pass. All hysteria aside, there's a reason why things like these happen to Trump, and that's on him, not this committee. Their line of reasoning for handing out the award isn't just nonsense. RE: "The Resistance" is unhinged - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 01-10-2018 (01-09-2018, 11:33 PM)GMDino Wrote: Because they didn't say he was oppressing the free press. They said he was undermining it on multiple levels. Through his speech and his lack of standing up for the press in his own country and around the world. If you have a problem with the term "oppressor" then take it up with HuffPo, they chose the label. RE: "The Resistance" is unhinged - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 01-10-2018 (01-09-2018, 11:51 PM)hollodero Wrote: But that are actually two things that ring a bit different. This "No.1" wording is way more bombastic and hence sounds even more ridiculous. Might not be much, but they are not the same and it takes no native speaker to see that. I agree, although as I've pointed out it HuffPo that used the term initially. That being said, even including Trump on this list, given the far more egregious (actual) oppression of the press in the other countries mentioned is hyperbolic and done intentionally. Let's not pretend this is a blatant attempt to conflate Trump with autocratic and dictatorial figures. Quote:I generally agree though that it's ridiculous in both cases. The OP has a point, I just believe that at some point it gets evenly petty to complain about the other side's pettiness, at least evenly pointless. This is a fake award given out by a group of people who might very well overdo it and act hysterical, but in no way align with the "left" in general or paint an accurate picture of everything anti-Trump. You can very well be quite anti-Trump without having to resort to any king of exaggerations or even hysterias like those. I get what you're trying to say here, but the thing is it's not petty to point this out because it is completely ignored by many in this country. If what I pointed out was routinely mocked by many as the inane sham that it clearly is then harping on it would be whinging and petty. Unfortunately, this is not the case. Especially if you live in an echo chamber state like I do. Quote:Trump and what he does is so way more important than what the "Committee to Protect Journalists" does, or Huffington or whatever targets there are. I feel it's beside the point to focus on those possible or actual missteps and hence indirectly end up giving Trump a pass. All hysteria aside, there's a reason why things like these happen to Trump, and that's on him, not this committee. Their line of reasoning for handing out the award isn't just nonsense. Pointing these things out does not minimize anything Trump does. If anything, the constant hysteria over Trump minimizes what Trump does. By making everything he does the beginning of the 4th Reich you obscure his more egregious acts within the smoke emitted by the bullshit dumpster fire over his getting two scoops of ice cream. RE: "The Resistance" is unhinged - GMDino - 01-10-2018 (01-10-2018, 12:35 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: If you have a problem with the term "oppressor" then take it up with HuffPo, they chose the label. Okay. But it's still wrong. RE: "The Resistance" is unhinged - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 01-10-2018 (01-10-2018, 12:46 AM)GMDino Wrote: Okay. But it's still wrong. I agree, Trump does not oppress the free press. RE: "The Resistance" is unhinged - GMDino - 01-10-2018 (01-10-2018, 12:52 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I agree, Trump does not oppress the free press. Right...he just undermines it. RE: "The Resistance" is unhinged - StLucieBengal - 01-10-2018 (01-10-2018, 12:57 AM)GMDino Wrote: Right...he just undermines it. Calling them out for lazy journalism isn’t undermining. The press is free to print or report anything they wish. That is the very definition of free press. All trump does is express his right to let them know when they are wrong or over the top. RE: "The Resistance" is unhinged - hollodero - 01-10-2018 (01-10-2018, 12:44 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I agree, although as I've pointed out it HuffPo that used the term initially. That being said, even including Trump on this list, given the far more egregious (actual) oppression of the press in the other countries mentioned is hyperbolic and done intentionally. Let's not pretend this is a blatant attempt to conflate Trump with autocratic and dictatorial figures. Sure, I see it similarly, no argument here. (01-10-2018, 12:44 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I get what you're trying to say here, but the thing is it's not petty to point this out because it is completely ignored by many in this country. Pointing it out is ok and good, of course it is. It just gets blown out of proportion. (01-10-2018, 12:44 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: If what I pointed out was routinely mocked by many as the inane sham that it clearly is then harping on it would be whinging and petty. Unfortunately, this is not the case. Especially if you live in an echo chamber state like I do. Yeah, you expect more as you can get. Every side has many individuals going through lengths and exaggerations. Their existence is annoying, and I really know what you mean there, it's just... if anything what Trump does gets overblown some places, you might see every Trump story coated with a crust of hysteria at said places. And that's fair enough, as is saying so. But what I feel you do is taking that crust as some kind of evidence there's not much substantial to see under this crust. I feel you lose a bit focus on these things, that are actually not just annoying or hypocritical or whatever the resistance might be guilty of, but actually worrying. To me you lose some perspective on that. (01-10-2018, 12:44 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Pointing these things out does not minimize anything Trump does. If anything, the constant hysteria over Trump minimizes what Trump does. By making everything he does the beginning of the 4th Reich you obscure his more egregious acts within the smoke emitted by the bullshit dumpster fire over his getting two scoops of ice cream. Yeah, but honestly, the only people mentioning scoops of ice cream these days are people using that example for MSM sensationalism. It's a non-issue, sure, but it doesn't seem to be all that big of a topic on the "left" side as well. I agree with the rest. (I just dismiss the idea that this is a valid reason to not forcefully speak out against said egregious acts.) RE: "The Resistance" is unhinged - Johnny Cupcakes - 01-10-2018 The Huffington Post is the left's version of Brietbart. If you want your biased partisan news with slanted and distorted facts, it's a nice go-to source. This doesn't change the FACT that Donald Trump is an enemy of a free press. When you make it part of your job to discredit news sources because they do not report on you in an unrealistically positive manner, there is a problem. And when you're the POTUS, and you have a rabid lemming base, that problem can/will result in damage to that freedom. Using a position of power to undermine and discredit the press is scary. RE: "The Resistance" is unhinged - hollodero - 01-10-2018 (01-10-2018, 11:05 AM)Johnny Cupcakes Wrote: The Huffington Post is the left's version of Brietbart. If you want your biased partisan news with slanted and distorted facts, it's a nice go-to source. I have to slightly disagree with that. Huffington Post is not a place people should get their information from. They are definitely heavily biased, and even hysterical maybe. But they are not like Breitbart. Breitbart is vile. The articles aside (and those are sometimes awfully close to propaganda hate speech), their comment section is full of absurd conspiracies, racial slurs, calls for taking aut the guns and march and murder etc., and it's all designed that way. (For the rest, fuill agreement of course. An example for things that might get lost in a media bias debate.) RE: "The Resistance" is unhinged - Johnny Cupcakes - 01-10-2018 (01-10-2018, 11:57 AM)hollodero Wrote: I have to slightly disagree with that. Huffington Post is not a place people should get their information from. They are definitely heavily biased, and even hysterical maybe. But they are not like Breitbart. Breitbart is vile. The articles aside (and those are sometimes awfully close to propaganda hate speech), their comment section is full of absurd conspiracies, racial slurs, calls for taking aut the guns and march and murder etc., and it's all designed that way. Ha...maybe. I originally typed "The left's version of InfoWars", but no, HuffPo is not nearly that insane. Maybe it isn't even as bad as Breitbart....but it seems like a worthy comparison. I just must not read enough Breitbart to get the full scale of how bad it is. As for the comment sections....that's where you'll find the worst of the worst people on both sides. Reading that shit stresses me out. RE: "The Resistance" is unhinged - Goalpost - 01-10-2018 (01-10-2018, 11:05 AM)Johnny Cupcakes Wrote: This doesn't change the FACT that Donald Trump is an enemy of a free press. When you make it part of your job to discredit news sources because they do not report on you in an unrealistically positive manner, there is a problem. And when you're the POTUS, and you have a rabid lemming base, that problem can/will result in damage to that freedom. Using a position of power to undermine and discredit the press is scary. He is an enemy of fake news. |