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White Man Convicted Of Beating Black Man At Charlottesville White Nationalist Rally - GMDino - 05-03-2018 Note: Often around here the usage of the color of the participants is frowned upon. In this particular case I don't care what you think. https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/02/607663487/white-man-convicted-of-beating-black-man-at-charlottesville-white-nationalist-ra Quote:An Arkansas man has been convicted of malicious wounding for beating a black man during a white nationalist rally last year in Charlottesville, Va. RE: White Man Convicted Of Beating Black Man At Charlottesville White Nationalist Rally - Belsnickel - 05-03-2018 Jury is currently at lunch for the Ramos trial, which is the second of three, I believe, defendants for this case. They return at 14:05 and should start deliberations shortly thereafter. RE: White Man Convicted Of Beating Black Man At Charlottesville White Nationalist Rally - bfine32 - 05-03-2018 Seems the OP's desires follow that of the defendant's lawyer and not that of the assistant Commonwealth Attorney. I tend to side with the views of her instead of the OP and Defense council. This man should be punished to the full extent of the law. RE: White Man Convicted Of Beating Black Man At Charlottesville White Nationalist Rally - PhilHos - 05-03-2018 I'm confused. What's the issue? A guy beat up another guy ostensibly due to race, got arrested after some investigation and got convicted. Good to know the justice system can still function the way it should. So what am I missing? RE: White Man Convicted Of Beating Black Man At Charlottesville White Nationalist Rally - GMDino - 05-03-2018 (05-03-2018, 03:46 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Seems the OP's desires follow that of the defendant's lawyer and not that of the assistant Commonwealth Attorney. I tend to side with the views of her instead of the OP and Defense council. This man should be punished to the full extent of the law. Seem you think wrong. I don't mind them saying a white man was convicted of beating a black man because the white man is a racist and/or a nazi. So call out his "race". Being punished would happen no matter what. Having a racist cry that he is being punished due to his race just makes a little better. But, if you say so. RE: White Man Convicted Of Beating Black Man At Charlottesville White Nationalist Rally - bfine32 - 05-03-2018 (05-03-2018, 04:02 PM)GMDino Wrote: Seem you think wrong. Hell I didn't say so you and the link you quoted said so. Assistant Commonwealth Attorney stated she deliberately tried to keep race out of the equation. The defense introduced it, and you focused on it. Lots of folks "cry" that they are being punished because of race. But folks can read the article and your commentary and decide for themselves. RE: White Man Convicted Of Beating Black Man At Charlottesville White Nationalist Rally - GMDino - 05-03-2018 (05-03-2018, 04:18 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Hell I didn't say so you and the link you quoted said so. Assistant Commonwealth Attorney stated she deliberately tried to keep race out of the equation. The defense introduced it, and you focused on it. Hell both sides avoided it until near the end of the trial: Quote:"For the entire trial, neither the prosecutors nor the defense attorney questioned Goodwin about his possible affiliation with any white-supremacist groups. But I'll stick with the racist/nazi angle cause it makes people who like to defend nazi/racists upset. (05-03-2018, 04:18 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Lots of folks "cry" that they are being punished because of race. Well, if you say so. RE: White Man Convicted Of Beating Black Man At Charlottesville White Nationalist Rally - Belsnickel - 05-03-2018 Jury for Ramos currently in deliberation. This took about an hour and a half for Goodwin's trial. I know Phil mentioned about this being how things should work, and I get that. Just keep in mind that this is the first real justice being handed down after the events in Charlottesville, which is a city still dealing with the aftermath. Especially since Jason Kessler is attempting to have an anniversary event this year and has been continuing to cause upheaval in the community. Edit: after a 35 minute deliberation, Alex Ramos has also been found guilty of felony malicious wounding. RE: White Man Convicted Of Beating Black Man At Charlottesville White Nationalist Rally - fredtoast - 05-04-2018 Funny how the exact same people who claim black people are always "imagining" racism now want to completely ignore that fact that a black man was beaten down by white supremacists at a rally where they were praising white supremacy. "This clearly has NOTHING to do with racism. Just a regular assault with no racial overtones at all. Move along. Nothing to see hear." RE: White Man Convicted Of Beating Black Man At Charlottesville White Nationalist Rally - PhilHos - 05-04-2018 (05-04-2018, 11:43 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Funny how the exact same people who claim black people are always "imagining" racism now want to completely ignore that fact that a black man was beaten down by white supremacists at a rally where they were praising white supremacy. Who said this has nothing to do with racism? Just another strawman for fred to knock down. Good work, fred, keep knocking those strawmen down. RE: White Man Convicted Of Beating Black Man At Charlottesville White Nationalist Rally - StLucieBengal - 05-04-2018 I guess a friendly light hearted joke isn’t allowed on this thread. Nor any other of my posts. RE: White Man Convicted Of Beating Black Man At Charlottesville White Nationalist Rally - fredtoast - 05-04-2018 (05-04-2018, 01:00 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Who said this has nothing to do with racism? Bfine said he agreed with the DA that he did not want to say it was about race, and you used the word "ostensibly" which means it is possibly not about race at all. Seems like you guys are still unwilling to admit that this was racially motivated. RE: White Man Convicted Of Beating Black Man At Charlottesville White Nationalist Rally - PhilHos - 05-04-2018 (05-04-2018, 02:14 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Bfine said he agreed with the DA that he did not want to say it was about race, and you used the word "ostensibly" which means it is possibly not about race at all. ostensibly: apparently or purportedly synonyms: apparently, seemingly, for all intents an dpurposes So saying that it's most likely about race = unwilling to admit that this was racially motivated. Ok. RE: White Man Convicted Of Beating Black Man At Charlottesville White Nationalist Rally - SunsetBengal - 05-04-2018 (05-04-2018, 02:14 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Bfine said he agreed with the DA that he did not want to say it was about race, and you used the word "ostensibly" which means it is possibly not about race at all. Let's roll with your "definition" for a moment. Could it also be that the White Supremacist with a chip on his shoulder would have just as likely beaten a person of any race that was opposing him, at that moment? Or, do you just want to go with the evil white guy sought out, stalked and brutally attacked a single, meek and humble black man? Edit: Part of me thinks that both the White Supremacists and the protesters were both looking for trouble, and they found it. RE: White Man Convicted Of Beating Black Man At Charlottesville White Nationalist Rally - fredtoast - 05-04-2018 (05-04-2018, 02:26 PM)PhilHos Wrote: ostensibly: apparently or purportedly If you had not cherry picked a definition you would see that the term "ostensibly" implies outward appearances that are contrary to the true meaning. Why did you feel the need to add that word instead of just saying "due to race"? RE: White Man Convicted Of Beating Black Man At Charlottesville White Nationalist Rally - fredtoast - 05-04-2018 (05-04-2018, 02:57 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Let's roll with your "definition" for a moment. Could it also be that the White Supremacist with a chip on his shoulder would have just as likely beaten a person of any race that was opposing him, at that moment? Or, do you just want to go with the evil white guy sought out, stalked and brutally attacked a single, meek and humble black man? Welcome to "Bend over backwards to defend the white supremacist" day. These were white supremacist wearing Hitler badges at a rally promoting the superiority of the white race beating up a black guy, but you DON'T think it was about race? RE: White Man Convicted Of Beating Black Man At Charlottesville White Nationalist Rally - SunsetBengal - 05-04-2018 (05-04-2018, 03:10 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Welcome to "Bend over backwards to defend the white supremacist" day. FWIW, I didn't see a single post in this thread that was defending the actions of the White Supremacist, or rebuking his punishment. However, if you want to make huge melodrama over the use of the word "ostensibly", keep right on going as you're doing a great job! RE: White Man Convicted Of Beating Black Man At Charlottesville White Nationalist Rally - PhilHos - 05-04-2018 (05-04-2018, 03:04 PM)fredtoast Wrote: If you had not cherry picked a definition you would see that the term "ostensibly" implies outward appearances that are contrary to the true meaning. LOL. Now, I'm cherry pickng a definition. First off, ONE of the definitions of 'ostensibly is that outward appearances MAY be contrary to the true meaning. But one of the other defintiions of is apparent, evident, or conspicuous. Use either definition you want, that still doesn't make what I said the equivalent of saying I'm unwilling to admit this was racially motivated. (05-04-2018, 03:04 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Why did you feel the need to add that word instead of just saying "due to race"? Because I don't know the particulars of the case. I assume this crime was racially motivated, but you never know. RE: White Man Convicted Of Beating Black Man At Charlottesville White Nationalist Rally - PhilHos - 05-04-2018 (05-04-2018, 03:10 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Welcome to "Bend over backwards to defend the white supremacist" day. What if, while this guy was shouting 'Heil Hitler' and cheering on cries for the advancement of the white race, a black guy comes up and slugs him right in the face and proceeds to pound on the guy until the cops drag him away. Is the black guy guilty of a crime? What if the black guy shot him dead, still a crime? Would you also say it was racially motivated? Please note: I'm not defending the white supremacist in the OP. I'm not saying this is what actually happened or what I think happened. This is a hypothetical. RE: White Man Convicted Of Beating Black Man At Charlottesville White Nationalist Rally - PhilHos - 05-04-2018 (05-04-2018, 03:15 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: FWIW, I didn't see a single post in this thread that was defending the actions of the White Supremacist, or rebuking his punishment. However, if you want to make huge melodrama over the use of the word "ostensibly", keep right on going as you're doing a great job! It's probably my fault. I praised fred for knocking down a strawman, so it stands to reason he'd keep on knocking them down. Sorry. |