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Alabama Court Awards Fetus the Right to Sue - GMDino - 03-08-2019 Of course it's Alabama. https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/abortion-court-sue-fetus-rights-alabama-804213/ Quote:When Ryan Magers’ ex-girlfriend got an abortion against his wishes in February 2017, he was upset — so upset, in fact, that nearly two years later, he decided to sue the clinic where she’d had the procedure, the Alabama Women’s Center for Reproductive Alternatives. Magers then petitioned a Madison County, AL probate court — which typically deals with the property and debts of deceased adults — to allow him to represent the estate of his ex-girlfriend’s aborted fetus in his case against the clinic. Alabama now says no one in the state has a constitutional right to an abortion and if the woman gets one the fetus has a legal right to sue (with representation, of course). Seems they just have to have a group of people to oppress down there. RE: Alabama Court Awards Fetus the Right to Sue - fredtoast - 03-08-2019 Giving the fetus the right to sue is crazy, but it still does not say it has a legitimate right to any damages. It can sue, but I don't see what it could win. RE: Alabama Court Awards Fetus the Right to Sue - Au165 - 03-08-2019 Oh look another waste of taxpayer money that will inevitably end up being struck down. RE: Alabama Court Awards Fetus the Right to Sue - GMDino - 03-08-2019 (03-08-2019, 12:47 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Giving the fetus the right to sue is crazy, but it still does not say it has a legitimate right to any damages. That was one of the questions I had. What is the "estate" of the fetus? Who will pay if/when the fetus loses? RE: Alabama Court Awards Fetus the Right to Sue - Dill - 03-08-2019 (03-08-2019, 01:07 PM)GMDino Wrote: That was one of the questions I had. What is the "estate" of the fetus? Who will pay if/when the fetus loses? In my view the fetus should. Obviously this one can't. But in future cases, when the fetus becomes a person and is born, that is when you get them. Born in debt. Starting with court costs, and maybe damages too. First life lesson. In this particular case, where the father is taking responsibility for the aborted fetuses personhood, then he should also pay its debts. Of course, if such a father were to win damages then he would have to pay his own damage claim. RE: Alabama Court Awards Fetus the Right to Sue - fredtoast - 03-08-2019 Since he was not marrid to the mother he is not the "legal father" of this fetus. So if the fetus wins any damages the mother should get all of the money as the benficiary of the estate. RE: Alabama Court Awards Fetus the Right to Sue - Nately120 - 03-08-2019 So Alabama just rewarded a man for knocking up a woman he wasn't married to? Way to send mixed messages, Bible belt! RE: Alabama Court Awards Fetus the Right to Sue - bfine32 - 03-08-2019 I read it more as giving rights to the father of the child. This is something I've been advocating for some time know. I hope this is the first steps in recognizing the rights of both parents. RE: Alabama Court Awards Fetus the Right to Sue - jj22 - 03-08-2019 I'm sure if he married her like a good Christian instead of knocking her up and then dumping her, she may have made a different decision. RE: Alabama Court Awards Fetus the Right to Sue - fredtoast - 03-08-2019 (03-08-2019, 05:28 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I read it more as giving rights to the father of the child. This is something I've been advocating for some time know. I hope this is the first steps in recognizing the rights of both parents. The mother and father already have equal rights over their own bodies. And neither is entitled to rights over the other's body. Everything is already as equal as you can make it. The father is entitled to parental rights as soon as the fetus is no longer part of the mother's body. RE: Alabama Court Awards Fetus the Right to Sue - treee - 03-08-2019 Personally I believe person-hood is established once you can form memories and recall them. RE: Alabama Court Awards Fetus the Right to Sue - bfine32 - 03-08-2019 (03-08-2019, 06:14 PM)fredtoast Wrote: The mother and father already have equal rights over their own bodies. And neither is entitled to rights over the other's body. Everything is already as equal as you can make it.It's not like we've never kicked this can down the road before and my view is unchanged. When a woman can get pregnant by herself then she has 100% say over the outcome of the child. Outside of that it's a joint endeavor. This ruling just supports my stance. It's about time the man has some rights over his unborn child RE: Alabama Court Awards Fetus the Right to Sue - bfine32 - 03-08-2019 (03-08-2019, 06:15 PM)treee Wrote: Personally I believe person-hood is established once you can form memories and recall them. What if I have Alzheimer's RE: Alabama Court Awards Fetus the Right to Sue - fredtoast - 03-08-2019 (03-08-2019, 08:28 PM)bfine32 Wrote: When a woman can get pregnant by herself then she has 100% say over the outcome of the child. When a man can grow a fetus without controlling another persons body then he can have rights over that fetus. RE: Alabama Court Awards Fetus the Right to Sue - bfine32 - 03-08-2019 (03-08-2019, 09:11 PM)fredtoast Wrote: When a man can grow a fetus without controlling another persons body then he can have rights over that fetus. Sure can, but right now they have to split it. RE: Alabama Court Awards Fetus the Right to Sue - GMDino - 03-11-2019 (03-08-2019, 09:39 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Sure can, but right now they have to split it. Split what? Does the man carry it in his body for half the time? Or do they each grow a half? RE: Alabama Court Awards Fetus the Right to Sue - bfine32 - 03-11-2019 (03-11-2019, 09:31 AM)GMDino Wrote: Split what? Does the man carry it in his body for half the time? Or do they each grow a half? The rights to the child. I thought it was obvious; however, I often fail to appreciate the comprehension level of a few in this forum. RE: Alabama Court Awards Fetus the Right to Sue - GMDino - 03-11-2019 (03-11-2019, 11:53 AM)bfine32 Wrote: The rights to the child. Oh! So like ownership. I see. I feel your pain when someone wants to take away rights from women because...men. RE: Alabama Court Awards Fetus the Right to Sue - Vas Deferens - 03-11-2019 married men should have to get permission from their spouses to yank one off. RE: Alabama Court Awards Fetus the Right to Sue - fredtoast - 03-11-2019 (03-08-2019, 09:39 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Sure can, but right now they have to split it. Split what? I don't understand what this means. You can't "split" the rights a person has over his own body. Right now women are the only ones who can carry a fetus to development. Men may think that is not fair, but that does not entitle them to take control of the rights a woman has over her own body. The only way men can get what they want is to create a way to carry a fetus to full development outside of a woman's body. |