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10-year-old rape victim denied abortion in OH - Bengalzona - 07-03-2022 Quote:10-year-old rape victim forced to travel from Ohio to Indiana for abortion Quote:The case of a 10-year-old child rape victim in Ohio who was six weeks pregnant, ineligible for an abortion in her own state, and forced to travel to Indiana for the procedure has spotlighted the shocking impact of the US supreme court ruling on abortion. A 10-year old will die trying to deliver a baby. I'm no fan of abortion. I think it is ugly and divisive and I think it has sometimes been abused by some women who serially use it in place of other birth control methods. At the same time, I find a law which will not permit this in the cases either rape or medical emergency when the life of the mother is threatened to be archaic and misguided in a civilized society. That is not "tough", that is perverse and sick. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jul/03/ohio-indiana-abortion-rape-victim?fbclid=IwAR3QP-RF2pf7vuvZ-nu2C1PBTiP33nI7MA7vXbWO7r0tcWEdyXvafTWCXLc RE: 10-year-old rape victim denied abortion in OH - Lucidus - 07-03-2022 (07-03-2022, 06:32 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: A 10-year old will die trying to deliver a baby. Once you grant a governmental body the perverse right to insert itself into an individual's body, other desired perversions are sure to follow. It's simply a byproduct of allowing the state unfettered control the uterus; a rather disgusting concept in and of itself. The goal of abortion bans is not to be civilized, it's for one group of people to forcibly impose their morality on another group. I find it rather frustrating when I see people say they don't want to force people to remain pregnant in cases of rape, incest or medical emergency, but are perfectly fine with forcing them to remain pregnant in all other cases. A pregnant individual should be free of state intervention for an extended, reasonable amount of time during the pregnancy in which they can exercise their autonomy prior to a cutoff; which needs to be determined by medical science, not politicians or religious zealots. I don't want the state to have unfettered control over a uterus; in any scenario at all. RE: 10-year-old rape victim denied abortion in OH - Sled21 - 07-03-2022 (07-03-2022, 07:40 PM)Lucidus Wrote: Once you grant a governmental body the perverse right to insert itself into an individual's body, other desired perversions are sure to follow. It's simply a byproduct of allowing the state unfettered control the uterus; a rather disgusting concept in and of itself. Just out of curiosity, in the case of mutual consensual sex that results in pregnancy, you don't think the father should have any say in whether or not the child is killed? I've always been amazed the man has no say. (and I'm not talking about rape or incest) RE: 10-year-old rape victim denied abortion in OH - BigPapaKain - 07-03-2022 (07-03-2022, 08:27 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Just out of curiosity, in the case of mutual consensual sex that results in pregnancy, you don't think the father should have any say in whether or not the child is killed? I've always been amazed the man has no say. (and I'm not talking about rape or incest) Unless it's a one night stand, I imagine most couples would have that discussion. For arguments sake, I'd like to point out that a wife does not have to sign off on a vasectomy, but most nearly all doctors require spousal consent for a woman to get her tubes tied. Now why do you suppose that is? RE: 10-year-old rape victim denied abortion in OH - Lucidus - 07-03-2022 (07-03-2022, 08:27 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Just out of curiosity, in the case of mutual consensual sex that results in pregnancy, you don't think the father should have any say in whether or not the child is killed? I've always been amazed the man has no say. (and I'm not talking about rape or incest) First, a fetus is not a child, just as a sperm isn't a fetus. Second, the partner can and should be able to express their thoughts and preference, but the final decision should necessarily be that of the person who's body would be directly affected by remaining pregnant or having a procedure to end the pregnancy. RE: 10-year-old rape victim denied abortion in OH - Nately120 - 07-03-2022 (07-03-2022, 08:27 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Just out of curiosity, in the case of mutual consensual sex that results in pregnancy, you don't think the father should have any say in whether or not the child is killed? I've always been amazed the man has no say. (and I'm not talking about rape or incest) Don't choose to have sex with pro choice women. And for the vice versa, if you're a dude who doesn't want 18 years of child support coming out of your paycheck, don't get in too deep with the pro life chicks. People need to communicate before they copulate. RE: 10-year-old rape victim denied abortion in OH - Lucidus - 07-03-2022 (07-03-2022, 08:54 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: Unless it's a one night stand, I imagine most couples would have that discussion. I wonder what would happen if the SCOTUS granted states the power to ban vasectomies, which are performed on average about 500,000 times per year and are on the rise after Dobbs; denying individual's the right to medical / reproductive choice? I'm guessing a certain segment of the American population would be outraged and demanding their "right" be returned, which would be the correct reaction to such a violation of personal / bodily autonomy. RE: 10-year-old rape victim denied abortion in OH - Goalpost - 07-03-2022 (07-03-2022, 10:00 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Don't choose to have sex with pro choice women. Or we could just close all the bars and clubs. https://www.bustle.com/p/where-americans-are-meeting-their-one-night-stands-58418 RE: 10-year-old rape victim denied abortion in OH - Nately120 - 07-03-2022 (07-03-2022, 11:24 PM)Goalpost Wrote: Or we could just close all the bars and clubs. I meant it more like the conservative response to a woman not getting an abortion is to say that IF you aren't ready for the responsibility of having kids THEN you shouldn't be having sex. Well fellas, IF you aren't ready to deal with a woman having 100% of what happens to your semen THEN you shouldn't be having sex. RE: 10-year-old rape victim denied abortion in OH - BigPapaKain - 07-04-2022 (07-03-2022, 11:24 PM)Goalpost Wrote: Or we could just close all the bars and clubs. I think we tried closing bars once before. If I recall, all we got out of it was exploding basements and NASCAR. RE: 10-year-old rape victim denied abortion in OH - Truck_1_0_1_ - 07-04-2022 (07-04-2022, 09:37 AM)BigPapaKain Wrote: I think we tried closing bars once before. RE: 10-year-old rape victim denied abortion in OH - basballguy - 07-04-2022 (07-03-2022, 11:33 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I meant it more like the conservative response to a woman not getting an abortion is to say that IF you aren't ready for the responsibility of having kids THEN you shouldn't be having sex. Well fellas, IF you aren't ready to deal with a woman having 100% of what happens to your semen THEN you shouldn't be having sex. What would you suggest in the case where my ex told me she was on birth control (but wasn't) and that netted me a kid that I ended up raising without her. I had absolutely no say so in what happened there. She had the baby when I was definitely not wanting another. The whole "it's a woman's body so it's her choice" is utter bullshit and a point of view I will never agree with. Men most certainly deserve some influence and role in the decision making....whether it's an abortion OR to keep it. Oh and my daughter is awesome and in her 3rd year of college. I got over my anger right when she came home. :) RE: 10-year-old rape victim denied abortion in OH - Lucidus - 07-04-2022 (07-04-2022, 03:01 PM)basballguy Wrote: What would you suggest in the case where my ex told me she was on birth control (but wasn't) and that netted me a kid that I ended up raising without her. I had absolutely no say so in what happened there. She had the baby when I was definitely not wanting another. Could you not have used a condom to provide added protection; knowing that even if someone is on birth control, it isn't 100%? It seems like you're placing all the responsibility on her, and accepting none for yourself. RE: 10-year-old rape victim denied abortion in OH - michaelsean - 07-04-2022 (07-03-2022, 08:54 PM)BigPapaKain Wrote: Unless it's a one night stand, I imagine most couples would have that discussion. I didn’t sign off on anything when my wife did. RE: 10-year-old rape victim denied abortion in OH - michaelsean - 07-04-2022 I always assumed there were exceptions for rape. RE: 10-year-old rape victim denied abortion in OH - michaelsean - 07-04-2022 (07-03-2022, 10:45 PM)Lucidus Wrote: I wonder what would happen if the SCOTUS granted states the power to ban vasectomies, which are performed on average about 500,000 times per year and are on the rise after Dobbs; denying individual's the right to medical / reproductive choice? I'm guessing a certain segment of the American population would be outraged and demanding their "right" be returned, which would be the correct reaction to such a violation of personal / bodily autonomy. The whole anti-abortion argument is based on there being a fetus. It is a unique situation and there is no comparable male situation. RE: 10-year-old rape victim denied abortion in OH - Nately120 - 07-04-2022 (07-04-2022, 03:01 PM)basballguy Wrote: What would you suggest in the case where my ex told me she was on birth control (but wasn't) and that netted me a kid that I ended up raising without her. I had absolutely no say so in what happened there. She had the baby when I was definitely not wanting another. I believe the answer is that both sexes need to be more perceptive and careful with the partners we choose. We've all seen Maury, how many women on there say the baby daddy promised her that he was fixed and couldn't get her pregnant? I believe the general response is that she shouldn't have trusted his word. This stuff is going to fall more upon the people being responsible if these birth control restriction rumors and one to pass and we bulldoze and defund planned Parenthood. Don't stick your dick in deception. I don't foresee much compassion coming down the pipeline on this. RE: 10-year-old rape victim denied abortion in OH - Lucidus - 07-04-2022 (07-04-2022, 03:59 PM)michaelsean Wrote: The whole anti-abortion argument is based on there being a fetus. It is a unique situation and there is no comparable male situation. Both abortion and vasectomy deal with the reproductive system. One ends a pregnancy, while the other prevents pregnancy. Each procedure seeks to avoid the same end result - having a child. In neither scenario should the state have the right to interject themselves into a personal, medical decision. RE: 10-year-old rape victim denied abortion in OH - michaelsean - 07-04-2022 (07-04-2022, 04:20 PM)Lucidus Wrote: Both abortion and vasectomy deal with the reproductive system. You can manipulate it how you want. It’s different. It’s unique. The fetus is the whole crux of the argument. Vasectomy and tubes tied can be compared. RE: 10-year-old rape victim denied abortion in OH - Lucidus - 07-04-2022 (07-04-2022, 04:58 PM)michaelsean Wrote: You can manipulate it how you want. It’s different. It’s unique. The fetus is the whole crux of the argument. Vasectomy and tubes tied can be compared. Whether we're talking about fallopian tubes, vas deferens or the womb; all three are medical procedures are designed to avoid the same end result, which is ending up with a child. All three directly pertain to issues of personal / bodily autonomy, and the individual's right to freely make their own medical decisions. However, my specific question wondered about the response if vasectomies we're banned. Whether you feel it's comparable or not, what would your reaction be to the state deciding to take away your right to get one? |