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Supreme Court once confirmed: We are a Christian nation - GMDino - 03-28-2016 Fortunately it was just one of those activist judges. Quote:U.S. Supreme Court stated in the 1892 case of Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, written by Justice David Josiah Brewer (143 U.S. 457-458, 465-471, 36 L ed 226): “This is a religious people. This is historically true. From the discovery of this continent to the present hour, there is a single voice making this affirmation. The commission to Christopher Columbus … (recited) that ‘it is hoped that by God’s assistance some of the continents and islands in the ocean will be discovered’ … Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2016/03/supreme-court-once-confirmed-we-are-a-christian-nation/#asyZHeP8ptz1psTA.99 RE: Supreme Court once confirmed: We are a Christian nation - Belsnickel - 03-28-2016 Activist judges, always getting in the way of the elected officials that made clear almost a century before that this is not a Christian nation. In all seriousness, it is interesting to read about this case and discover how much the more "textualist" justices do see Justice Brewer as an activist judge. Scalia himself called this opinion an "invitation to judicial lawmaking." RE: Supreme Court once confirmed: We are a Christian nation - michaelsean - 03-28-2016 I'm going to assume that you can see the future and are responding to something yet to be posted. RE: Supreme Court once confirmed: We are a Christian nation - bfine32 - 03-28-2016 Guess I'm confused. Does this support the notion that we are a Nation built on Christian principles? RE: Supreme Court once confirmed: We are a Christian nation - GMDino - 03-28-2016 (03-28-2016, 01:32 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I'm going to assume that you can see the future and are responding to something yet to be posted. This story was shared on my Facebook feed. I thought it was interesting. Being as activist judges and all.... I didn't do a bunch of research on it so it it curious to hear Matt's info on it. RE: Supreme Court once confirmed: We are a Christian nation - GMDino - 03-28-2016 (03-28-2016, 06:37 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Guess I'm confused. Does this support the notion that we are a Nation built on Christian principles? I guess it supports that the Supreme Court once said we were...even though they really kinda said are laws are based on it even though we can't say it is the official religion of the US. I'm just surprised this is the first I've seen of it given the huge arguments about it over the recent years. RE: Supreme Court once confirmed: We are a Christian nation - Yojimbo - 03-28-2016 Does he mention the Consitution at all? I'm pretty sure that's what he is supposed to be ruling based on what is in the Consitution, not the fact that some people say prayers before meetings. RE: Supreme Court once confirmed: We are a Christian nation - Belsnickel - 03-28-2016 (03-28-2016, 09:25 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: Does he mention the Consitution at all? I'm pretty sure that's what he is supposed to be ruling based on what is in the Consitution, not the fact that some people say prayers before meetings. That is not what they were deciding. It was about a law disallowing importing foreign labor and the decision was that clergy should not be considered foreign labor even if they really were because that was not the spirit of the law. RE: Supreme Court once confirmed: We are a Christian nation - BFritz21 - 03-28-2016 (03-28-2016, 06:55 PM)GMDino Wrote: I guess it supports that the Supreme Court once said we were...even though they really kinda said are laws are based on it even though we can't say it is the official religion of the US. See, I see no problems with this because the separation of Church and State should just mean that religion can't be forced on people and that they shouldn't be forced into a denomination, but the fundamentals that this country is based upon are Christian fundamentals, as noted by our founding fathers: Quote:Those discussions—recorded in the Congressional Records from June 7 through September 25 of 1789—make clear their intent for the First Amendment. By it, the Founders were saying: "We do not want in America what we had in Great Britain: we don’t want one denomination running the nation. We will not all be Catholics, or Anglicans, or any other single denomination. We do want God’s principles, but we don’t want one denomination running the nation." Most people are clueless to that fact and use the founding fathers' separation of Church and State to be anarchists. I agree that no one should be forced to go to Church or worship in any way, but to argue that God wasn't the basis for morality in this country is ignorant and people need to do their homework. RE: Supreme Court once confirmed: We are a Christian nation - NATI BENGALS - 03-29-2016 (03-28-2016, 10:54 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: See, I see no problems with this because the separation of Church and State should just mean that religion can't be forced on people and that they shouldn't be forced into a denomination, but the fundamentals that this country is based upon are Christian fundamentals, as noted by our founding fathers: Apparently the Godly morality they had was slaying Indians and owning slaves was all good. We don't need religion to have morals. RE: Supreme Court once confirmed: We are a Christian nation - Nately120 - 03-29-2016 (03-29-2016, 01:01 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: Apparently the Godly morality they had was slaying Indians and owning slaves was all good. We don't need religion to have morals. Ehh, god is obviously pretty ok with killing non-white people for financial gain. I assume Christ himself would have intervened if he had any objections to America claiming to be so Christian, after all. RE: Supreme Court once confirmed: We are a Christian nation - SteelCitySouth - 03-29-2016 (03-28-2016, 10:54 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Most people are clueless to that fact and use the founding fathers' separation of Church and State to be anarchists. No....We use a much more concise document that the founding fathers devised to make sure that anyone that truly does their homework, would then understand that your conclusion is false. I would point you in the direction of that document, however since you seem to be so interested in others doing their homework, Imma let you flounder around looking for it. In the end I neither care if you find it or not. I neither care if you learn form it or not. Your, or anyone else's opinion upon the "Christianness" of our country has little to no effect on the truth and fact that it is not. RE: Supreme Court once confirmed: We are a Christian nation - PhilHos - 03-29-2016 (03-29-2016, 01:14 AM)Nately120 Wrote: Ehh, god is obviously pretty ok with killing non-white people for financial gain. I assume Christ himself would have intervened if he had any objections to America claiming to be so Christian, after all. You are aware, right, that the vast majority of people in the Bible are "non-white" (including Jesus)? RE: Supreme Court once confirmed: We are a Christian nation - Rotobeast - 03-29-2016 (03-29-2016, 11:22 AM)PhilHos Wrote: You are aware, right, that the vast majority of people in the Bible are "non-white" (including Jesus)? Yeah....everyone knows Jesus was a black jew. RE: Supreme Court once confirmed: We are a Christian nation - Nately120 - 03-30-2016 (03-29-2016, 11:22 AM)PhilHos Wrote: You are aware, right, that the vast majority of people in the Bible are "non-white" (including Jesus)? Oh, I'm very aware of this. RE: Supreme Court once confirmed: We are a Christian nation - tigerseye - 03-30-2016 The Constitution was based on Christian beliefs and morals. The founding fathers own comments point to this as being the case. The actions of individuals and our government for that matter haven't always been christian (as has been pointed out) but the Constitution was originally based on Christian beliefs. The Nazis called themselves christians as they killed the Jews in the war but that didn't mean they were actually christians. Every person living in and taking action against others in a Christian nation is not necessarily a christian. There are evil SOBs everywhere and some of them call them selves Christians but they actually aren't christian at all. So you shouldn't base your views or opinions of Christianity on the actions of those individuals. Actually that would be what people would do that are trying to bring Christianity down. I can call myself whatever I want but that doesn't make it so. RE: Supreme Court once confirmed: We are a Christian nation - Vlad - 03-30-2016 (03-29-2016, 01:01 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: We don't need religion to have morals. Of course there are good atheists and bad religious people. Playing devils advocate here...if we dont need religion to have morals then wouldnt good and evil or right and wrong be just opinions? What if my opinion was that murder was not wrong? Is the act of bestiality moral or immoral? If you were a Jew running away seeking refuge from the Nazis in Poland, whos door would you rather knock on...a Polish priest or nuns, or the commoner? If any of you self proclaimed atheists we being hunted and killed for whatever reason, you would place your trust in a priest as well. So whenever morality dispute arises check out what god says...problem solved! RE: Supreme Court once confirmed: We are a Christian nation - Vlad - 03-30-2016 (03-28-2016, 10:54 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: See, I see no problems with this because the separation of Church and State should just mean that religion can't be forced on people and that they shouldn't be forced into a denomination, but the fundamentals that this country is based upon are Christian fundamentals, as noted by our founding fathers: Actually "separation of church and state" is never mentioned in the Constitution. It was first coined by Thomas Jefferson in response to the Danbury Baptists who had asked for Jeffersons intervention regarding a religious matter in Connecticut. Jefferson said sorry cant help you... for there must be a wall of separation between the Feds and religious matters of the states. Leftist judges have taken that phrase and ran with it...cant have the 10 Commandments displayed in a judges courtroom because it violates the separation of church and state clause to which there is no such clause lol. Congress shall make no law with regards to the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. No official religion is all it says. RE: Supreme Court once confirmed: We are a Christian nation - GMDino - 03-30-2016 (03-30-2016, 08:32 AM)Vlad Wrote: Of course there are good atheists and bad religious people. You start of strong with this. (03-30-2016, 08:32 AM)Vlad Wrote: Playing devils advocate here...if we dont need religion to have morals then wouldnt good and evil or right and wrong be just opinions? What if my opinion was that murder was not wrong? Then you would support war and the death penalty. (03-30-2016, 08:32 AM)Vlad Wrote: Is the act of bestiality moral or immoral? It is wrong as they are a different species than cannot consent. (03-30-2016, 08:32 AM)Vlad Wrote: If you were a Jew running away seeking refuge from the Nazis in Poland, whos door would you rather knock on...a Polish priest or nuns, or the commoner? As if the priests were in a big hurry to help the Jews? There's a reason the Pope apologized for the Church's behavior in Germany during WWII. (03-30-2016, 08:32 AM)Vlad Wrote: If any of you self proclaimed atheists we being hunted and killed for whatever reason, you would place your trust in a priest as well. Remember that opening statement you made in this post? Yeah, you just forgot. There is no logic behind that statement...just your opinion that a priest would protect someone. I'd imagine every parent of every child abused by a priest felt the same way. RE: Supreme Court once confirmed: We are a Christian nation - Belsnickel - 03-30-2016 (03-30-2016, 08:32 AM)Vlad Wrote: Of course there are good atheists and bad religious people. Morality is a societal construct that has evolved into what we have today over time. We know this because we can see a primitive form of morality amongst chimpanzees. They form societal norms (the early stages of what we see as morality) in their groups. The only reason that some people give ownership of this morality to a faith is because it provides it with a degree of authority which, without, makes morality much more subjective and pointless. Within society we have punishments for disturbing the norms through criminal law, but there is no reward for adhering to them. Enter religion and the idea of a better life after death. It should be noted that I am saying this all as a Christian. |