(10-15-2015, 01:07 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Simple answer is good means righteous "justifiable". The longer answers are it is used in the context of Holy or as KP said some believe it is the word God that got changed. 

(10-15-2015, 12:37 PM)PhilHos Wrote: No.

(10-15-2015, 01:32 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: All just stolen pagan celebrations... to help comform a people

(10-15-2015, 12:43 PM)PhilHos Wrote: No, because humans weren't doing what God commanded.

Genesis 9:1 "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth."


Genesis 11:4 " Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.”

God gave them different languages so they would scatter and fill the whole earth as He commanded them to do.

(10-15-2015, 12:41 PM)bfine32 Wrote: No, so people wouldn't think they are equal to God

(10-15-2015, 01:40 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Against their free will? 




Which one was it?

(10-15-2015, 01:44 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Read the part of Phil's quoted scripture that states "so that we may make a name for ourselves". 


I would say I posted the cause and Phil posted the effect. WTS. Not everybody that reads the same verse of scripture interprets it the same. Hell not even the same person always interprets a verse of scripture the same everytime they read it. 

(10-15-2015, 12:07 PM)GMDino Wrote: Which totally explains the Tower of Babble story...  

(10-15-2015, 04:19 PM)WhoDeyWho Wrote: One of the most bizarre stories in the Bible in my opinion.

(10-15-2015, 12:43 PM)PhilHos Wrote: No, because humans weren't doing what God commanded.

Genesis 9:1 "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth."


Genesis 11:4 " Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.”

God gave them different languages so they would scatter and fill the whole earth as He commanded them to do.

(10-15-2015, 04:26 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Then you've not had the pleasure of reading Revelations, my friend.

(10-15-2015, 01:35 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Do you follow all the rules of the Bible?  No.  Why.  Because the rules changed.  Who changed them?  God.  When you get to make the rules you get to make the rules any way you want.  The number of ways god could have changed the rules for your salvation which don't involve human sacrifice are infinite.  Yet, he chose the path which involved murder which is against his own rules.

(10-15-2015, 01:40 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Against their free will? 

(10-15-2015, 04:27 PM)WhoDeyWho Wrote: If indeed this is the case and God doesn't mind interfering with the "free will" of man for his own purposes, why did he not change the language of the serpent so that Eve could not be tempted by it?  He did tell them not to eat from the tree didn't he?  Isn't their disobedience supposedly the reason we have "sin", death, clothes, and misery today?  


In modern days, serpents don't talk to people so how big of a deal would it had been for serpents not to talk to people then?   

(10-15-2015, 06:35 PM)PhilHos Wrote: There's so much wrong with this, but I'm just too tired to go through the effort to have you either ignore my answer or look for some other tactic of attack.


God didn't interfere with their free will. He just changed the language that they spoke.

As to the serpent in the garden of Eden, assuming the story to be literally true, it was a test to see if Adam and Eve would follow the 1 rule that God gave them to follow. As we all know, they failed that test.

(10-15-2015, 07:24 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Yes, God tested their ability to know right from wrong before they ate from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil which would give them the ability to know right from wrong after they ate from it.  Another famous logical fallacy. 

(10-15-2015, 07:40 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Except God already TOLD them it was wrong to eat from the tree. They didn't need to eat from the tree to know it was wrong to eat from the tree if God already told them it was wrong to eat from the tree.

(10-15-2015, 07:45 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: He didn't tell them it was wrong.  He told them not to do it. 

(10-15-2015, 07:45 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: If you don't have a conscience to tell the difference between right and wrong it doesn't matter.  

(10-15-2015, 07:45 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Sociopath's don't have a conscience and you can tell them the difference between right and wrong and it doesn't matter.

(10-15-2015, 07:40 PM)PhilHos Wrote: Except God already TOLD them it was wrong to eat from the tree. They didn't need to eat from the tree to know it was wrong to eat from the tree if God already told them it was wrong to eat from the tree.

(10-15-2015, 06:35 PM)PhilHos Wrote: There's so much wrong with this, but I'm just too tired to go through the effort to have you either ignore my answer or look for some other tactic of attack.


God didn't interfere with their free will. He just changed the language that they spoke.

As to the serpent in the garden of Eden, assuming the story to be literally true, it was a test to see if Adam and Eve would follow the 1 rule that God gave them to follow. As we all know, they failed that test.

(10-15-2015, 11:01 PM)WhoDeyWho Wrote: God sabotaged their free-will plans by making it so they could not communicate.  Why else would he have done it?  He even admitted to it supposedly fearing what they could accomplish.  It is in the bible.

And why would a god with perfect knowledge "test" anyone?  He already knows the answer, so it becomes a pointless exercise.

(10-15-2015, 11:35 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Where is God "being afraid of what man could accomplish" in the Bible?

The story of the Tower of Babel is one, in which, God shows his displeasure in what man thinks he can do. They think they can build a tower to heaven and become like God. He shows them how wrong they are. Not sure where he ever feared what they could do. 

(10-15-2015, 11:35 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Where is God "being afraid of what man could accomplish" in the Bible?

The story of the Tower of Babel is one, in which, God shows his displeasure in what man thinks he can do. They think they can build a tower to heaven and become like God. He shows them how wrong they are. Not sure where he ever feared what they could do. 

Quote:Genesis 11New International Version (NIV)


The Tower of Babel

11 Now the whole world had one language and a common speech. 2 As people moved eastward,[a] they found a plain in Shinar[b] and settled there.

3 They said to each other, “Come, let’s make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar. 4 Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.”

5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. 6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them.7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”

8 So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9 That is why it was called Babel[c]—because there the Lordconfused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth.