(02-19-2017, 06:37 PM)GMDino Wrote: But you're missing the point.

We have to "give him a chance" ™

He's gonna change and start acting real presidential any time now.

(02-19-2017, 07:55 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Well of course nobody can force you to approach it with an open-mind. It'll just be interesting to see how long folks can stay mad because they lost. My guess is they will waste about 2 years of their short lives being so. We are about 1/3 of the way through his first 100 days. 

(02-19-2017, 07:14 PM)hollodero Wrote: I take this particular one off the table since Trump clarified on twitter, which was a decent thing to do.

Not saying that my confidence is particularly growing considering he obviously gets his opinion from news networks he likes, including some "Alex Jones" guy. Yeah I admit, John Oliver showed me that particularly troubling one.

Quote:White House dismisses 6 over failed background checks


Several White House staffers were dismissed Thursday morning after failing FBI background checks, according to sources familiar with the matter.


Some of the aides were "walked out of the building by security" on Wednesday after not passing the SF86, a Questionnaire for National Security Positions for security clearance.
Among those who won't be working at the White House was President Donald Trump’s director of scheduling, Caroline Wiles, the daughter of Susan Wiles, Trump’s Florida campaign director and former campaign manager for Governor Rick Scott. Wiles, who resigned Friday before the background check was completed, was appointed deputy assistant secretary before the inauguration in January. Two sources close to Wiles said she will get another job in Treasury.


She's among others who failed to pass the intensive background check, which includes questions on the applicant's credit score, substance use and other personal subjects.



A White House spokesperson did not respond to a request for comment.

(02-19-2017, 08:06 PM)GMDino Wrote: Clarifying it makes it no better.

(02-19-2017, 08:19 PM)GMDino Wrote: Back on topic...

http://www.politico.com/blogs/donald-trump-administration/2017/02/white-house-failed-background-checks-dismissals-235112?utm_source=huffingtonpost.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pubexchange

(02-19-2017, 08:23 PM)hollodero Wrote: Not necessarily, no. I widely agree with your evaluation, Trump seems to get his information from dubious sources like FOX and obviously aims to be a big star on the right-wing networks. His world is the commentators and news network world, they outrage and please him, it's really a bit freaky to watch how it's all about that for him. All about admiration for him on TV. I watched CNN, so much hatred, I don't watch it anymore (he really contradicted himself within the same sentence, which has to be some kind of world record). Always about the media, always about his perception, that is indeed not a president's behaviour and I really don't see how it should change anytime soon. Maybe his supporters are fed up at some point from this narcissistic reality show office has become, at which point he's probably done and throws a fit that finally does it for everyone.

- I take the Sweden thing off the table because it no longer fits my narrative too well. The point got marginalized and any further outrage would take energy away from being outraged over more outrageous things.

Plus, when he clarifies, that at least is the right thing to do after claiming untrue things.

(02-19-2017, 08:23 PM)hollodero Wrote: Not necessarily, no. I widely agree with your evaluation, Trump seems to get his information from dubious sources like FOX and obviously aims to be a big star on the right-wing networks. His world is the commentators and news network world, they outrage and please him, it's really a bit freaky to watch how it's all about that for him. All about admiration for him on TV. I watched CNN, so much hatred, I don't watch it anymore (he really contradicted himself within the same sentence, which has to be some kind of world record). Always about the media, always about his perception, that is indeed not a president's behaviour and I really don't see how it should change anytime soon. Maybe his supporters are fed up at some point from this narcissistic reality show office has become, at which point he's probably done and throws a fit that finally does it for everyone.

- I take the Sweden thing off the table because it no longer fits my narrative too well. The point got marginalized and any further outrage would take energy away from being outraged over more outrageous things.

Plus, when he clarifies, that at least is the right thing to do after claiming untrue things.

(02-19-2017, 05:42 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Oh, that's obviously because he's racist.......

Okey Doke: It's a stupid tweet; as are a great number that he has made. He's petty and must strike back. He feels the media has treated him unfairly (they are not as fair as most in this forum) and he has to retaliate. As I said, he's learning on the job; perhaps he'll get it, perhaps he won't. Personally I hope he does even though his moves thus far have had a direct negative affect on me personally. There are those whose sole motivation is to see him fail and will bring up EVERYTHING and then try to suggest they are only bringing up the important stuff.

He had a rally recently, this rally hurt no one and those that attended were happy to be there; however, to some this is a big deal, just as many other trivial things he has done.

It's OK to think he's a "terrible" person; hell, he might be, but the pettiness that has been displayed by both sides is unprecedented.  

(02-19-2017, 07:55 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Well of course nobody can force you to approach it with an open-mind. It'll just be interesting to see how long folks can stay mad because they lost. My guess is they will waste about 2 years of their short lives being so. We are about 1/3 of the way through his first 100 days. 

(02-19-2017, 09:15 PM)bfine32 Wrote: There are things that are truly troubling, such as his comments about the press and the Judicial Branch

(02-19-2017, 09:15 PM)bfine32 Wrote: This makes sense and others would be wise to pick their fights. I put this right up there with wrong size paper in folders and asserting he won the popular vote. There are things that are truly troubling, such as his comments about the press and the Judicial Branch, but they get lost in the white-noise of K-Mart pulling Ivanka's shoe line ect..

(02-19-2017, 10:19 PM)hollodero Wrote: Well, kudos, without any irony, kudos for acknowledging that there are things that might be truly troubling here. And that bringing them up is not merely the result of sour liberal loser speech. That the honest evaluation of these things might go over party borders, and over country borders for that matter.

(02-19-2017, 10:39 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Of course there are issues that are truly troubling, but when folks make threads/ news stories out of the more trivial stuff; these things get lost. The other day he had a press conference and the fact that he asked a 20 year veteran of the White House if she was friends with the CBC dominated the news. This weekend he referenced an erroneous Sweden report; this becomes huge news. This is just a couple in the last few 2-3 days. Tomorrow's Presidents Day so I'm sure he'll do something of great consequence. Perhaps get Washington's birth date wrong or something. 

(02-19-2017, 10:39 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Of course there are issues that are truly troubling, but when folks make threads/ news stories out of the more trivial stuff; these things get lost. The other day he had a press conference and the fact that he asked a 20 year veteran of the White House if she was friends with the CBC dominated the news. This weekend he referenced an erroneous Sweden report; this becomes huge news. This is just a couple in the last few 2-3 days. Tomorrow's Presidents Day so I'm sure he'll do something of great consequence. Perhaps get Washington's birth date wrong or something. 

(02-19-2017, 05:06 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I should know you can't stop a liberal from yelling racist once he gets his teeth sunk in and when you get more than one chanting it; forget about rationality. He simply tried to de-legitimize the President he didn't care what the reason. I've brought it up before, but he did the same thing with Cruz; but he's not Black, so that one don't count. 

As to your links: I've already said Hills and her crew didn't start it; however, they did kick it down the road; as your articles show. But for some reason it wasn't racist when she did it because she didn't ask for a birth certificate. As we know, Candidates are defined by their supporters, or have we changed that again? 

(02-19-2017, 05:42 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Oh, that's obviously because he's racist.......

Okey Doke: It's a stupid tweet; as are a great number that he has made. He's petty and must strike back. He feels the media has treated him unfairly (they are not as fair as most in this forum) and he has to retaliate. As I said, he's learning on the job; perhaps he'll get it, perhaps he won't. Personally I hope he does even though his moves thus far have had a direct negative affect on me personally. There are those whose sole motivation is to see him fail and will bring up EVERYTHING and then try to suggest they are only bringing up the important stuff.

He had a rally recently, this rally hurt no one and those that attended were happy to be there; however, to some this is a big deal, just as many other trivial things he has done.

It's OK to think he's a "terrible" person; hell, he might be, but the pettiness that has been displayed by both sides is unprecedented.  

(02-20-2017, 03:00 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: If Trump tried to delegitimization Obama's presidency and didn't care about the reason or whatever biased nonsense you wrote earlier, that's pretty petty. So the current pettiness isn't unprecedented at all. That's just more Trump-like hyperbole and obviously biased. 

(02-20-2017, 03:37 PM)bfine32 Wrote: You are correct. It makes so much more sense to roll with "He did because Obama is Black!" You guys keep pushing that and I'll believe he did for political reasons, none of which had to do with skin color. But like I said: "Good luck trying to get a liberal not to call someone they disagree with a racist."

(02-20-2017, 03:49 PM)GMDino Wrote: Can't it be both?

Or can't it be he was blowing that dog whistle to drum up support from some "deplorable" types?  Even if he isn't racist himself maybe he jsut is willing to take support from anyone who will support him being "right".