(05-27-2020, 03:51 PM)samhain Wrote: The extreme end of the protests are a bad look for sure, and no sane politician will do anything but condemn.    

The far right is in a dangerous place, much like the far left was not long ago.  They've gotten brazen in expressing their less-mainstream opinions, and reality will likely soon set in for them.  Lots of folks want to re-open, but few to none are seeking an armed insurrection to get it, and the movement is getting hijacked by crazies.  

I personally think some of these cosplayers are definitely dumb enough to kill a cop, public official or even a random private citizen.  When they do, all of the fun of the cosplay games will get really real, really fast for them.  They're walking a thin line right now, and some of the general public is still willing to tolerate their antics.  Once they act on their threats, the public will turn on them, and nobody will give a shit when the National Guard and State police start taking lethal action against the domestic terrorism threat. 

(05-27-2020, 04:01 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Thanks for the advice, but I'm mature enough and in control of my Emotional Intelligence to a point that I can ignore what I want and reply to what I want. I am not consumed with Cognitive dissonance when my point is questioned. Now the made up shit gets old, but I try to consider the source, Not everyone has that level of maturity or EI and find it easier to just stick their fingers in their ears and go "la.la.la.la" when presented with points counter to theirs. 

(05-27-2020, 04:49 PM)GMDino Wrote: Some just get ran off leave. 

(05-27-2020, 08:57 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: After Swine Flu, OSHA worked for 6 years to create rules to require hospitals and nursing homes have a plan to deal with airborne infectious disease pandemic.

In 2016, the Obama WH approved it to be implemented in 2017. Then Trump was elected and slashed it without any specific reason other than cutting regulations.

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/26/862018484/trump-team-killed-rule-designed-to-protect-health-workers-from-pandemic-like-cov

(05-27-2020, 08:57 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: After Swine Flu, OSHA worked for 6 years to create rules to require hospitals and nursing homes have a plan to deal with airborne infectious disease pandemic.

In 2016, the Obama WH approved it to be implemented in 2017. Then Trump was elected and slashed it without any specific reason other than cutting regulations.

https://www.npr.org/2020/05/26/862018484/trump-team-killed-rule-designed-to-protect-health-workers-from-pandemic-like-cov

Quote:A protester who participated in hanging an effigy of Kentucky's governor at an armed rally on the State Capitol grounds has been fired from his job at an auto dealer.

(05-27-2020, 04:02 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Agreed. They should be found and tried for hate crimes. 

(05-28-2020, 04:12 AM)samhain Wrote: The whole invocation of the John Wilkes Booth quote is the thing that irks me almost as much as the effigy.  That's a thinly veiled threat of assassination, IMO, which is extremely illegal no matter how you slice it.  

(05-28-2020, 10:18 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: Yup, just a normal day in Virginia. https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/499800-jerry-falwell-jr-mocks-virginia-governor-with-blackface-mask?fbclid=IwAR2cE_q07luQwtaIjJE5zeL6kntWIbPt91-x_xKnoOnHRiZmeFGuxbdXWBo

(05-28-2020, 10:26 AM)GMDino Wrote: Can we get any with pool boys and his wife on them? 

How about a facemask with this picture on it? pic.twitter.com/tk0uxMNbNd

— Matt Phillippi (@ShenandoahFishn) May 28, 2020

(05-28-2020, 08:46 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: Maybe it's because I'm a Virginian and it's the motto of our Commonwealth, but it doesn't strike the same chord. But then again, it's used pretty frequently during protests of government overreach in my state.

(05-28-2020, 04:12 AM)samhain Wrote: Perhaps.  As liberal as I may be, I'm not the biggest fan of hate crimes legislation.  I think you just nail people for the actual crime, which should be bad enough.  

The whole invocation of the John Wilkes Booth quote is the thing that irks me almost as much as the effigy.  That's a thinly veiled threat of assassination, IMO, which is extremely illegal no matter how you slice it.  It's one of the few forms of clearly unprotected speech per the Bill of Rights, and for good reason.  When a person kills a president, governor, so on, they're subverting the will of whatever constituency elected them.  It's a crime against not just the official, but the entire state/country/democracy.  Anyone who commits such an act should face the death penalty, IMO.  Threats are different, depending on degree of intent and premeditation, but they should be and probably are taken seriously.  

Mob rule is a scary concept on the right or the left.  When a small group of citizens is crazy and angry enough to make those kinds of threats, it should be a wake up call.  I'm all for people protesting whatever they want, and I guess it's their legal right to carry weapons when they do.  However, I don't think it serves them or their cause well.  If anything, it either scares people or pisses them off.  Any movement with a cause worth supporting through protest shouldn't need to intimidate with armed displays of discontent. If I were running a re-open march or protest, I'd do everything I could to keep those types out of my rallies.  It's a real bad image to be associated with in the eyes of your average American.

And yes, FWIW, I'd say the same to people rioting vs law enforcement over brutality.  It's another thread, but I feel like that movement has gained a lot of momentum in terms of public support.  People rioting and turning violent do not help that at all.  It can set things back years in terms of progress.

(05-28-2020, 04:12 AM)samhain Wrote: And yes, FWIW, I'd say the same to people rioting vs law enforcement over brutality.  It's another thread, but I feel like that movement has gained a lot of momentum in terms of public support.  People rioting and turning violent do not help that at all.  It can set things back years in terms of progress.

(05-28-2020, 08:31 PM)bfine32 Wrote: And I'm one who thinks the rule of law should prevail at times over "rights". It's why i support what our Liberal Governor is doing. Admittedly, I'm one of the very lucky ones. I've been able to work from home while going into the office occasionally. We don't have a family member battling a life threatening illness that cannot get proper treatment due to restrictions.

I cannot speak as to how I'd feel if my family and my livelihood we jeopardized because of the government. There's no "right" answer during all of this, so it's why I take exception to folks on the sidelines that only live to point fingers.

(05-29-2020, 03:21 AM)Dill Wrote: Not so sure about that.

It sets the RWM afire for a time, but I suspect police chiefs, Majors, state reps and governors tend to become "awoke" after such incidents, and whatever their rhetoric about law and order and how little sense it makes to hurt one's own community, there is hypervigilance over police behavior to prevent more disruption--not in response to protestors, but to property owners and investors.

(05-29-2020, 04:19 AM)samhain Wrote: Perhaps.  I was in the eighth grade when the officers in the King beating were acquitted, triggering the LA riots.  I still remember watching it on TV while eating dinner with my parents at the local chili parlor.  It was the biggest display of civil disobedience/disorder I'd ever seen in my life at the time.  Still, I'm not sure a ton changed.   

(05-29-2020, 04:19 AM)samhain Wrote: Cops are still using incredibly questionable to downright malicious levels of force, and the outcomes are still lethal, fairly regularly. We've had two big profile incidents in the last few weeks, plus one involving non-LEO citizens, probably more.

Person who was at crowded Lake of the Ozarks last weekend has tested positive for COVID-19, says health department https://t.co/W4Wa2S0QZL

— Richard Hine (@richardhine) May 29, 2020