(05-10-2016, 11:20 AM)GMDino Wrote: When guys are still saying "she asked for it" "she was dressed like a hooker" "she was drunk but she didn't say no".

You know...all the stuff in this thread.

(05-10-2016, 11:23 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: No one said "she asked for it" or that she deserved to be raped because "she was dressed like a hooker" or that "she was drunk but she didn't say no".... Man... that fantasy world you live in must be crazy.

(05-10-2016, 11:32 AM)GMDino Wrote: Sure they did.

They said how she is dressed "like a hooker" should count against her accusation.  they said if she isn't blacked out she isn't too drunk to say no.  

They "she asked for it" it just the implied from the other two.

Do we have a rape culture?

Well, we sure have folks who want to be able to have sex and then say she wanted it even if she didn't know she did.

In this thread.

(05-10-2016, 11:08 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: 85k reported cases of rape a year in the US according to the FBI. An estimated 68% of rape is never reported according to the DOJ. That's roughly one forcible rape every 1.98 minutes.

That's just rape, not sexual assault. 

(05-10-2016, 11:51 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: That doesn't mean that every 2 seconds a woman gets raped in America. There is a rape every 1.98 seconds in America, but it's not being done only to women.

(05-10-2016, 10:32 AM)Benton Wrote: It's ironic that there's people who have no issue with a guy having sex with a girl not in full control of her faculties, but do have an issue with two fully sober people touching matching junk.

(05-10-2016, 12:50 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: So.....now we are at the opinion that a couple of drinks completely wipes out the ability of a female to consent.
 

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I've been with just under 40 women and about 65% of those had alcohol in the equation.
Want to know how I know that I didn't rape them (because simply stating it, I'd still be defined a rapist), 90% of them came back to ME for MORE.

(05-10-2016, 01:10 PM)Benton Wrote: To the first, I think the idea is there's not a good, discernible line. Like, two drinks and this person can make an informed, cognizant decision; one drink and this person can't. So some people look at it as a general rule: if you've drunk too much to operate a car, you've drunk too much to operate your baby maker. It's different for everyone.

To the second, when you're paying them, it doesn't count.

(05-10-2016, 02:42 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: And yet you can't show me one case that it's not on my side. The biggest thing is if the person consented then you don't need to "reasonably believe that they consent to the act" because you know they consented to it.


consent to sex and consent to a contract is a false equivalence because one is a spur of the moment thing, and the other is a legally binding agreement that is premeditated. One will imprison someone for having consensual sex and the other one will just void a contract.

(05-10-2016, 10:33 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: And that article proves what? she was blackout drunk and it even says it. lol, did you even read it?

(05-05-2016, 08:05 AM)xxlt Wrote: 1. Good clarification on what rape culture means.

2. If you have to ask (OP) and you hint at or outright slander feminists and other men and women in your question, chances are you have a perception problem. It is sort of like asking why all those ignorant colored folks made such a big fuss about having to ride in the back of the bus, when we all know that is where the best seats are. Or, it is sort of like asking why those dumb Jews still moan about a few people being given "special" treatment for few years such long time ago in a country far, far away. I would humbly suggest you try to broaden your perspective. A starting place might be here: http://www.amazon.com/Split-Child-Priest-Catholic-Church/dp/0989656322/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1462446050&sr=1-1&keywords=split+by+mary+dispenza

Seriously. Please put aside my somewhat harsh words above and click the link. If you are willing to read this book it might be helpful. I think it might be helpful because you are going to be reading about the rape of a child. You may find a seven year old girl a more sympathetic figure than an adult woman, and in turn might be able to see rape from a different perspective.

3. I disagree about our legal system, but I confess I only worked around it for about 15 years. Still, I can tell you rapists and sex offenders often are not prosecuted at all, their victims are often treated poorly by the legal system, and when they are prosecuted and convicted the sentences that are imposed are generally very mild relative to other crimes.

(05-05-2016, 07:44 AM)GMDino Wrote:

Our legal system takes it very seriously.

"Rape culture" refers to men still thinking a woman is "asking for it" when she dresses the "wrong" way or is too drunk to say no clearly.

(05-06-2016, 01:11 PM)GMDino Wrote: Again the simple fact that people think like this leads me to believe we do indeed have a rape culture.

Not that men feel free to rape and think they can get away with it, but that men want to complain that women have an "advantage".

(05-06-2016, 02:08 PM)GMDino Wrote: Original post....saying rape is just a figment produced by women and SJW's.


My initial response: Too many people still think there should be excuses for rape other than she said no.


Since then:








After three pages of "poor men" and excuses I said:


It continues:





Yes they are.  They are saying women have some kind of unfair advantage because they can claim rape if the sex wasn't good enough or some other fantasy of the male ego. They are saying a woman claiming she is raped has it too easy and we need to see all the other factors like how she was dressed, if they were BOTH drinking, etc.

So I go back to my first response:


And add to that men who think women just claim rape if the sex was bad and they don't want to be "embarrassed".

(05-09-2016, 09:56 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: One does not need to be "black out drunk" to be mentally incapacitated. It doesn't take nearly that amount to cause people to lose their logical functions and often make decisions they would not have made otherwise. This is why it is illegal to even be in public while intoxicated.

(05-09-2016, 12:11 PM)Benton Wrote: Understandable.

On the other hand, you aren't going to get accurate rape statistics. Too many go unreported. My wife was a SANE nurse for several years. Even in a small town, she was called to handle about one a month, but only about once a year did a case go to trial. Most often, the victim didn't want to press charges, she was just going to the hospital to get checked out for STDs/pregnancy. Rape is too personal a crime and too often the victims feel ashamed for there to be any kind of accurate reporting of the numbers.

(05-10-2016, 02:12 PM)fredtoast Wrote: 1.  I can not show you a case because the law has just recently evolved.  Why do you think they would remove that language if there was not a change in the law?

2.  You don't have a clue about contract law.  A binding contract does not have to be "premeditated" at all.  There just has to be an intent to form a contract.  

(05-10-2016, 02:12 PM)fredtoast Wrote: 1.  I can not show you a case because the law has just recently evolved.  Why do you think they would remove that language if there was not a change in the law?

2.  You don't have a clue about contract law.  A binding contract does not have to be "premeditated" at all.  There just has to be an intent to form a contract.  

(05-10-2016, 02:24 PM)fredtoast Wrote: So you are back to thinking that as long as the woman claims she blacked out that is all that is necessary.  But what happens if the guy says she consented (LIKE HE DID IN THIS CASE) but the victim claims she does not remember?  

While you keep saying that "drunken consent is consent" the guy that got convicted here would disagree with you.

So what do you tell him?