(05-18-2017, 10:28 AM)hollodero Wrote: To Sessions? I could see a reason why he didn't do that. Also, he can't quite prove his claims, since it would probably end up in his words against Trump's. The question is fair, but the latter answer seems like a legit reason to not beat the drum and probably impair his investigation.

(05-18-2017, 10:24 AM)michaelsean Wrote: I have a hard time believing someone writing a note to himself saying that Trump said what he said can be legitimate evidence of obstruction, and if Comey thought it was obstruction, why didn't he report it to the Justice Dept at the time?

(05-18-2017, 10:44 AM)GMDino Wrote: Two points:

1) Apparently the note writing is pretty common.  I saw a few stories about it and how useful they can be.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/17/us/politics/james-comey-memos-fbi-culture.html?_r=0

2) He may have.

(05-18-2017, 10:46 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Oh I believe note writing is prevalent, but it's not proof someone said what you claim.  

(05-18-2017, 10:52 AM)GMDino Wrote: Nope.  But it has been used to verify past events.

I personally believe that Trump thought he was at a 3 martini lunch and talking to a business associate versus speaking as the POTUS to the head of the FBI.

He's an idiot.

But I also believe he said it and meant it.

He's a moron.  

(05-18-2017, 10:53 AM)michaelsean Wrote: I would say it would be very hard to prove intent with what Comey has.  

(05-18-2017, 10:53 AM)michaelsean Wrote: I would say it would be very hard to prove intent with what Comey has.  

(05-18-2017, 10:57 AM)hollodero Wrote: Which would be an answer to your question on why he didn''t disclose it.

(05-18-2017, 10:57 AM)GMDino Wrote: Unless you look at everything Trump has ever said or done.  

(05-18-2017, 11:10 AM)michaelsean Wrote: OK then that would make it meaningless in my book.  If the person having the conversation also concluded he could not at the very least derive intent, or more likely recognized there was no intent, then I don't think you have anything to go on.

(05-18-2017, 11:12 AM)michaelsean Wrote: He would have had to told someone he was specifically going to do this.  If they can find someone to testify to that, then I would think you have something.

(05-18-2017, 11:17 AM)hollodero Wrote: I don't think it's meaningless just because it's not verifiable by a third witness. If it is as portrayed, it's not a sole reason for a conviction. But it's still reason for additional suspicion.

I agree though, Comey's word might not be enough for an actual impeachment. The sum of things, however, that's a different picture. (Probably still not enough, though, but what do I know.)

(05-18-2017, 06:52 AM)xxlt Wrote: None of the other theories exclude this one! In fact, I've always believed he was somewhere between an agent for Russia and a spy, although "tool" seems more likely than spy. He's a little too Jethro Bodine to be a real double nought spy. There is little question of agency at this point though.

(05-17-2017, 08:37 PM)GMDino Wrote: Also it's the deep state and MSM's fault.  DJT has done nothing wrong except be an outsider.

At least that's the twitter feed I see.

(05-17-2017, 06:41 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Even if Trump resigned today his supporters would claim resigning was the most awesome and winningest thing he's done since he won the presidency. 

(05-18-2017, 11:17 AM)hollodero Wrote: I don't think it's meaningless just because it's not verifiable by a third witness. If it is as portrayed, it's not a sole reason for a conviction. But it's still reason for additional suspicion.

I agree though, Comey's word might not be enough for an actual impeachment. The sum of things, however, that's a different picture. (Probably still not enough, though, but what do I know.)

(05-18-2017, 12:28 PM)Dill Wrote: I believe "asset" is the precise term. Trump is a Russian asset.

(05-18-2017, 12:35 PM)Dill Wrote: This. If impeachment goes through in the next six months, the Trump base might see no disconfirmation of its bad judgment.  The Obama deep state took Trump down.

Until Trump policies impact the base negatively, and in a way which does not implicate Democrats, they will remain a political forcing corrupting the rest of the Republican party and drawing down standards.

Horrible as it may sound, it may be good in the long term if we get tax breaks for the rich and lose jobs nationally, a definitive test of trickledown.  Let people know they chose this, despite other, better options.