(12-23-2019, 03:19 PM)OswaldsLegacy Wrote: No need.

Good businesses run the way they do because they always have a replacement lined up for departing personnel.  They don't let the good employee leave without having someone ready and willing to take their place.  If the person that is the next man up isn't cutting it, you don't release other people while you still look for a replacement for the departed person.

When Whitworth left, we tried to replace him with OG or Fisher...  one would take over for Whit and the other would take over for Smith.  Not a bad plan, except those 2 flamed out and busted on us, it happens.  So while looking for better OT players, we let Zeitler go, then we let Bodine go.  So before we fixed the OTs spots, we now have a hole at OG and OC.

Same thing with the WRs.  We had Sanu and Jones... we let both go at the same time.  We didn't replace them and Ross and Boyd haven't done what those to did.  Boyd yes, Ross no. 

So now we have holes at OT (possibly both), both OG spots, we need another WR even if we keep Green and if we don't then we definitely need a WR.  We are replacing our QB with someone that in only 1 season, produced at a high level on an already decent LSU team.  While having a lot of holes to fix and hoping that 3rd, 4th and 5th rounders will be good enough to fix them.

We might get lucky and hit on every draft pick, but odds are we won't.

So, no, I am not from the future.  I just know how poorly this organization is ran and don't see Burrow succeeding here.

(12-23-2019, 06:39 PM)Rubekahn29 Wrote: Please enlighten me on the last great QB who went 2-16 in 18 starts after their first 5 years. 

(12-23-2019, 07:20 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: He’s one of the funniest members on this board.

You? You just seem like a jaded Andy Dalton super-fan who’s here to antagonize anyone you consider a “hater.”

(12-23-2019, 07:33 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: So , knowing what you supposedly know, why are you a fan of such a discombobulated franchise? Daltons money(17 mil), Green's money (18mil ) and Glenn's money (9 mil) is 44 million to spend on FAs. So Burrow will have help besides the draft. If the FO doesn't spend the money then the fans should walk away. Or I guess they could come back and gripe like you. 

(12-23-2019, 07:25 PM)bengaloo Wrote: Palmer bailed on us plain and simple.

Benching Dalton happened AFTER we were eliminated from playoff contention. He had every right, as a first year coach to see what he had in Finley. Not too mention, Dalton was frazzled and flustered and that whole thing needed an intervention for Daltons sake as much as everyone elses. Once you are eliminated from playoff contention, is basically means as a team you didnt achieve the goal you set out for and its completely out of reach now. Hence the season was already a failure. Benching Dalton did nothing to futher damage an already failed season. Its clear that ZT isnt interested in building around a 30 year old QB. From a winning, investment and business standpoint, its a good thing he thinks that way.

(12-23-2019, 03:35 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Burrow is a product of the coaching and talent around him.  If his greatness was based on skill we would have seen it last year when he threw for 2800 yards, 19 tds, and lost 3 games in his FIFTH college season.

Guys don't just suddenly go from "good" to "greatest" at age 24.  If his greatness was based on his skills then we would have seen mor eof it before this year.

(12-23-2019, 07:40 PM)OswaldsLegacy Wrote: I am also a secret Patriots fan.... don't tell my wife though, she is a Dolphins fan and hates the Patriots.

I like to see a well run Franchise, but I am a Cincy boy and want my team to be ran well.  I know it won't happen, but still will call out the team for making boneheaded decisions.

So you not only want to go into next year with a question mark at QB and OT and OG and MLB and OLB, but also at WR?

Poor Joe will not know what hit him....

I don't normally wish this... I hope Joe tells the Bengals NOT to draft him and refuse to play if they do.  I think it is normally a cowardly approach and why I don't respect Marshall Faulk, however I do see it as being the only option for some players to escape a bad situation.

(12-23-2019, 04:37 PM)OswaldsLegacy Wrote: Hey someone pointed out that Mixon is a Pro Bowl alternate RB.  So all is fair right.

Though to answer your question.  Yes.  Dalton is a Pro Bowl QB.  He has been selected 3 times in his career.

(12-23-2019, 07:09 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: My very first thread here was a PRO ANDY DALTON thread. I was arguing with someone (not on this board) about how I wouldn’t trade Dalton for Luck at the time, because Dalton was so durable, and pretty underrated at the time.

But guess what? Things change. Opinions change. Dalton got plenty of time here, and I’ve been ready to move on for the past couple years.

If you view me as “hater” or that I’m excessively unfair towards Dalton that’s just because the two camps are so divided. This board is actually VERY pro Dalton believe it or not. All of the mods, and most “popular” posters are huge Dalton fans (hence your rep). Some of us who’ve been frustrated with Dalton just get a little tired of nothing ever being his fault. Is what it is at this point.

As far as your weird hatred for Mixon (which feels personal not about his play), did you happen to see Bill Belichick’s comment about Mixon being one of the best RB’s in the league? I’m sure you’ll just hand wave it away and say he was just being “nice” or something (Belichick? Lol), but it’s just something to consider. Remember, opinions CAN change...

(12-23-2019, 05:36 PM)bengaloo Wrote: Joe Burrow threw for 2894 yards, with 16TDs and 5 Ints and had a 133 QB rating his junior year on a run heavy team and was his first year as a starter.

How in the living heck is that bad lol? 

(12-23-2019, 07:56 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: Mixon has done it with the same o-line that  Dalton has stb with.

(12-23-2019, 07:59 PM)fredtoast Wrote:  In 2018 Burrow was a below average QB in the SEC (14 teams)

7th in passing yards
10th in tds
12th in passer rating

He only had 5 games with more than 200 passing yards and he had some very poor games against Miami (11-24, 140 yds, 0 tds) Florida (19-34, 192 yds, 0 td, 2 int), Miss St (16-28, 129 yds, 0 td, 1 int), Bam (18-35, 184 yds, 0 td, 1 int) 


And that was in his FIFTH season as a college QB.

(12-23-2019, 08:00 PM)OswaldsLegacy Wrote: He is an alternate.... you must have missed the sarcasm.... 

Mixon is not a good RB.

(12-23-2019, 08:00 PM)OswaldsLegacy Wrote: He is an alternate.... you must have missed the sarcasm.... 

Mixon is not a good RB.

(12-23-2019, 08:03 PM)Synric Wrote: Woah now...You're really killing your credibility with statements that crazy.

(12-23-2019, 08:07 PM)Catmandude123 Wrote: Mixon led the Afc in rushing last year .Bill Belichick disagrees with you on Mixon's talent but I know you are smarter than him too.

(12-23-2019, 08:00 PM)OswaldsLegacy Wrote: He is an alternate.... you must have missed the sarcasm.... 

Mixon is not a good RB.

(12-23-2019, 08:12 PM)OswaldsLegacy Wrote: Please tell me what he has accomplished?

1168 on 237 carries last year, when the next AFC runner in Henry got 22 carries less for 1059 yards.  So it took him 22 more carries to get 109 yards more?  That isn't really that impressive to me.  If he was so good those extra 22 carries should have had him easily breaking 1200 yards (which is used to be the starting point for good RBs).

I have never seen him produce the way he should as a "first round pick if NOT for the video".

(12-23-2019, 08:19 PM)Synric Wrote: Todd Gurley only has 789 yards on 203 Carrie's this year 3.9 YPC.

Joe Mixon is not on Gurley's level but he is a good running back. He has excellent burst through holes and around the edge shifty in open space with good hands. He struggles  with vision we seen this early his season when running thr outside zone but when they limited his options in a inside zone/pin and pull outside he really exploded. I wish he would be a little bit more physical because of his size but all in all Mixon is a good running back.

(12-23-2019, 08:18 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: The greatest coach of all time disagrees.