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RE: Israel/Hamas War Superthread - GMDino - 04-01-2024 Quote:[color=var(--yt-formatted-string-bold-color,inherit)]Mar 31, 2024 [/color] Quote:[url=https://www.youtube.com/hashtag/jerusalem][/url] RE: Israel/Hamas War Superthread - pally - 04-01-2024 The Iranian Consulate in Syria was bombed today. At least 8 are dead. Israel is the prime suspect but we shall have to see how this plays out. RE: Israel/Hamas War Superthread - Mike M (the other one) - 04-01-2024 (04-01-2024, 05:04 PM)pally Wrote: The Iranian Consulate in Syria was bombed today. At least 8 are dead. Israel is the prime suspect but we shall have to see how this plays out. Stop sending weapons to Hamas. RE: Israel/Hamas War Superthread - CKwi88 - 04-02-2024 Stop sending food to Gaza. https://www.yahoo.com/news/aid-group-says-israeli-strike-052936356.html Quote:DEIR AL-BALAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — An Israeli airstrike killed seven aid workers from World Central Kitchen, leading the charity to suspend delivery Tuesday of vital food aid to Gaza, where Israel’s offensive has pushed hundreds of thousands of Palestinians to the brink of starvation. RE: Israel/Hamas War Superthread - GMDino - 04-02-2024 (04-02-2024, 10:44 AM)CKwi88 Wrote: Stop sending food to Gaza. Netanyahu: "Oopsie." RE: Israel/Hamas War Superthread - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 04-02-2024 (04-02-2024, 10:50 AM)GMDino Wrote: Netanyahu: "Oopsie." Definitely the first example of a blue on blue incident in the history of warfare. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_friendly_fire_incidents RE: Israel/Hamas War Superthread - GMDino - 04-02-2024 (04-02-2024, 11:18 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Definitely the first example of a blue on blue incident in the history of warfare. Of course not. Also not the 1st time Israel has done it in the last 6 months or so. But hey, as long as they can stop aid from getting to the civilians...amiright?!? All seriousness aside they also killed people bringing the aid. Seven of them. And given the high quality of Israel's intelligence and army it is really hard to give them the benefit of the doubt...again. RE: Israel/Hamas War Superthread - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 04-02-2024 So, in light of the discussion in another thread I decided to review this entire thread to see if I was treating certain posters unfairly. Unless I missed it, in thirteen pages of posts and responses there is not a single post from a left leaning poster in this thread that isn't about/blaming the IDF, Israel, AIPAC or Netanyahu. Not a single post, not one, in thirteen pages about/blaming Hamas, Iran, Qatar or the other enablers of Hamas's terrorism from those posters. Not one. You do, rarely, get a one sentence blurb or two acknowledging that Hamas is "bad", but no posts about them. If you knew nothing about this conflict other than what you read here you'd think Israel started the whole thing. I almost have to give Hamas credit, their strategy worked like a charm. RE: Israel/Hamas War Superthread - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 04-02-2024 (04-02-2024, 11:27 AM)GMDino Wrote: Of course not. Also not the 1st time Israel has done it in the last 6 months or so. So, you're alleging that the IDF knew it was an aid convoy and deliberately attacked it anyway? RE: Israel/Hamas War Superthread - Luvnit2 - 04-02-2024 There is strong evidence one of the UN groups UNRWA participated in the Oct. 7th attacks. Some want to think groups under the guise of humanitarian aid are friendly to Israel. They are not. Getting back to the war, the Biden administration due to political pressure has been straddling the fence the past few months. Harris said to oust the prime minister. The US is now calling for a cease fire aligning with the UN by not using their power of veto. Biden goes from Israel has every right to defend itself, to pause the war which would allow Hamas to regroup. Hamas has lost its right to exist. Hamas has never stopped firing into Israel, and I remind everyone, still has hostages including Americans. Why has Biden ignored the American hostages in Gaza? Is the humanitarian going 100% to Palestinas or is going to Hamas fighters? Israel needs to get rid of Hamas, otherwise Israeli citizens would never have peace. RE: Israel/Hamas War Superthread - GMDino - 04-02-2024 (04-02-2024, 11:41 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: So, you're alleging that the IDF knew it was an aid convoy and deliberately attacked it anyway? I'm not alleging anything. I'm saying it's not the first time civilians were killed and the answer was oops, we'll investigate ourselves. No "we thought there was Hamas hiding in the group" just...we'll look in to it eventually. Not even an attempt at cover. How many times until it stops being accidental given what we know about Netanyahu? Doesn't mean it WAS intentional. It means how many unintentional before we start to see it as a trend? I see Luvnit has immediately switched onto the people providing aid are not "friends" of Israel so maybe that's the thinking. Or maybe it's just the next excuse? RE: Israel/Hamas War Superthread - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 04-02-2024 (04-02-2024, 11:54 AM)GMDino Wrote: I'm not alleging anything. I'm saying it's not the first time civilians were killed and the answer was oops, we'll investigate ourselves. No "we thought there was Hamas hiding in the group" just...we'll look in to it eventually. Not even an attempt at cover. It's either one or the other. It's either they knew it was a civilian convoy and fired on them anyway, or they did not. You said they've lost the "benefit of the doubt" which would seem to mean you think it was intentional. That being the case, why don't you just say that? As for a "trend" you're talking about a completely urban warfare scenario. If you could pick a conflict terrain that most lends itself to blue on blue incidents it would be urban or jungle. So, your options are that it was a mistake, or that the IDF knew who they were, decided they haven't been getting enough bad press in the West already, and decided to fire upon them to give all the "liberal" protestors yet another bloody shirt to waive. Your wording seem to indicate you're leaning heavily towards the latter. Also, what Luvnit posts has nothing to do with what I'm posting. RE: Israel/Hamas War Superthread - CKwi88 - 04-02-2024 (04-02-2024, 10:50 AM)GMDino Wrote: Netanyahu: "Oopsie." https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gaza-attack-strike-world-central-kitchen-b2521784.html Quote:...Israeli military hit the convoy three times with a drone, as the aid workers tried to dive for cover between the vehicles. The security source said after the first missile hit, the passengers tried to move to another vehicle - and were attacked a second and a third time. Oopsie. Oopsie again. Oopsie one more time. But hey, s**t happens right? Not like it's the first time. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ RE: Israel/Hamas War Superthread - GMDino - 04-02-2024 (04-02-2024, 12:05 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: It's either one or the other. It's either they knew it was a civilian convoy and fired on them anyway, or they did not. You said they've lost the "benefit of the doubt" which would seem to mean you think it was intentional. That being the case, why don't you just say that? Again you misquote someone to make your point. I specifically said :"..it is really hard to give them the benefit of the doubt...again." When I have proof that it was intentional I will say so. When it looks suspicious/bad...again...I will say so. I'm not there bombing anyone, I'm observing what happens and what the responses are. I never said Israel couldn't defend itself. I said their mission of "completely getting rid of Hamas" is foolish and will never happen unless they plan on killing everyone in the strip. Has Hamas struck back since October? Maybe the constant bombing is working and the civilian lives lost will be worth it? War is worse than hell, and even the good guys can look bad and do bad things. Israel is getting bad press everywhere...including IN Israel. Is everyone wrong but Netanyahu and you? Or is Netanyahu pushing for more and more attacks until he is satisfied personally? What Luvnit said ties into someone providing the benefit of the doubt by saying even the aid workers might be anti-Israel. You never know, so if they died it may have been a good thing? RE: Israel/Hamas War Superthread - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 04-02-2024 (04-02-2024, 12:17 PM)GMDino Wrote: Again you misquote someone to make your point. So, I did correctly quote you. Quote:When I have proof that it was intentional I will say so. When it looks suspicious/bad...again...I will say so. So, outside of an outright admission that it was deliberate and they knew who it was you'll simply restrict yourself to heavily implying it was deliberate. Got it. Quote:I'm not there bombing anyone, I'm observing what happens and what the responses are. I never said Israel couldn't defend itself. I said their mission of "completely getting rid of Hamas" is foolish and will never happen unless they plan on killing everyone in the strip. Has Hamas struck back since October? Maybe the constant bombing is working and the civilian lives lost will be worth it? Not really sure what you mean by being "worth it". I do agree with you that it is extremely unfortunate and sad that Hamas has set up a conflict intended to maximize civilian casualties. Quote:War is worse than hell, and even the good guys can look bad and do bad things. Indeed. This is why it is so important to draw clear distinctions when they can be drawn. For example, say one side deliberately, and admittedly (which you stated is important to you) targeted and slaughtered civilians. Not only that but then broadcast footage of them doing so gleefully. They also engaged in gang rape and then deliberately kidnapped more civilians, including infants and toddlers. Said side then deliberately surrounds themselves with their own civilian populace in order to ensure any strike against them will cause civilian casualties. None of this is disputable. Is it not important to not only recognize this, but to view the results of the following conflict through the lens of that knowledge? Quote:Israel is getting bad press everywhere...including IN Israel. Is everyone wrong but Netanyahu and you? Or is Netanyahu pushing for more and more attacks until he is satisfied personally? They are indeed, which is why I had to begrudgingly give Hamas credit. Their plan worked better than I think they even thought possible. Quote:What Luvnit said ties into someone providing the benefit of the doubt by saying even the aid workers might be anti-Israel. You never know, so if they died it may have been a good thing? When I make that argument I'll be happy to address that type of question directed at me. RE: Israel/Hamas War Superthread - GMDino - 04-02-2024 (04-02-2024, 12:27 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: So, I did correctly quote you. Yeah you're right back to saying things I never said. RE: Israel/Hamas War Superthread - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 04-02-2024 (04-02-2024, 12:39 PM)GMDino Wrote: Yeah you're right back to saying things I never said. Yeah, I'm not, but ok. I'm rereading the posts and can't seem to locate where I'm misquoting you. Please clarify. RE: Israel/Hamas War Superthread - Belsnickel - 04-02-2024 (04-02-2024, 11:41 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: So, you're alleging that the IDF knew it was an aid convoy and deliberately attacked it anyway? So, interestingly, I was listening to one of my news podcasts while out for a walk and they made the claim that the vehicles in the convoy that was attacked were clearly marked with the group's logo, were leaving their warehouse, and their route had been reviewed and approved by the Israeli military prior to their departure. I am not saying it was intentional, but if it wasn't this was a HUGE **** up on their part if those claims are true. RE: Israel/Hamas War Superthread - Belsnickel - 04-02-2024 (04-01-2024, 05:44 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Stop sending weapons to Hamas. I don't think you fully perceive the gravity of this. Embassies are sovereign soil of their country and are not military targets. It's one thing to target military facilities, but an attack like that could be considered a declaration of war against Iran itself. RE: Israel/Hamas War Superthread - Belsnickel - 04-02-2024 (04-02-2024, 11:40 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: So, in light of the discussion in another thread I decided to review this entire thread to see if I was treating certain posters unfairly. Unless I missed it, in thirteen pages of posts and responses there is not a single post from a left leaning poster in this thread that isn't about/blaming the IDF, Israel, AIPAC or Netanyahu. Not a single post, not one, in thirteen pages about/blaming Hamas, Iran, Qatar or the other enablers of Hamas's terrorism from those posters. To be fair, I consider the allied forces to be responsible for all of this, because they created this situation and then just said "you all work it out." This was an inevitability thanks to colonialist asshattery. |