(05-19-2017, 06:24 PM)BoomerFan Wrote: I suppose that after he's gone conservatives will get angry at you for even mentioning him like they did with Bush.

And if history is any indication, the US will elect someone even worse before too much time has passed.

(05-20-2017, 07:42 AM)xxlt Wrote: That movie has been playing for almost 40 years! It can play for another 140! They will never get it!

Hope you are wrong about the percentage of the base that believes in the deep state. I realize Fox News is a powerhouse, but even they don't spout that shit. I mean do Breitbart et al even have one million readers combined?

(05-20-2017, 07:42 AM)xxlt Wrote: Hope you are wrong about the percentage of the base that believes in the deep state. I realize Fox News is a powerhouse, but even they don't spout that shit.

(05-20-2017, 01:09 PM)Dill Wrote: Remember that Fox includes Hannity, Rush and Levin, among others.  Yes they do spout that shit, for hours every day. I have listened to Rush off and on for years and I have never heard him this rabid about a subject. Hannity is more strident about it than ever. Rush alone has as many as 12 million listeners on peak days, who hang on his explanation of the "bureaucrat class" now seeking to obstruct Trump from within--most especially by leaking. (Leaks are BAD now!)

And their listeners call in to express their outrage over the establishment Republicans who are helping to take down Trump because he is trying to "drain the swamp." 

Fox news forms a kind of total umbrella or SURFACE BUBBLE inside which millions of Fox News viewers huddle for hours every day. Among these are millions of people who are "default" rightists. They just don't choose to access diverse news sources. So they judge current events through the Fox filter. But if the chaos in the White House becomes too great, the filter breaks down; they won't blame it all on Democrats and the deep state. Many understand and are troubled by the fact that no liberals forced Trump to tweet to the world that Comey better watch out. Fox commentators like the Fox News Specialists strain for equivalences to make it seem Trump's missteps are no worse that Hillary's or Obama's or a problem that will go away as Trump gets experience.

Inside that large bubble, however, nestle even more extreme right news websites like the one you mentioned, Breitbart, but also dozens of Alt-right and religious conservative and NRA oriented sites and forums. As the true believers see the same faux scandals (how much uranium did Hillary sell the Russians?) "reported" on each site, these scandals become true and incontrovertible. Rightists discuss them for hours on long threads and link them to other faux scandals to form a totalizing picture of public institutions protecting Democrats and unfairly tarring Republicans. 

This sort of bubble knowledge is contested or ignored by the mainstream media, of course. But that is only more fodder for the bubble. It is proof, not of the MSM's higher journalistic standards, but of their "liberal bias." So the same lack of credibility you and I might accord Breitbart, they direct to the entire spectrum of MSM.  The result is a significantly large segment of the electorate who still believe Al Gore said he invented the internet, the Clintons killed Vince Foster, and Obama was born in Kenya. For them it is no stretch to believe 3-5 million people voted illegally. Might as well add those voters were illegals, living off welfare and taking jobs from Americans. I call this THE DEEP BUBBLE. People in it live in a world in which Big Government is ready to take away our guns, Muslims are ready to impose Sharia on the US, and the MSM are distorting this news and lying ALL the time, while Trump and his minions are taking them on--exposing the TRUTH BEHIND THE FACADE.

And in this bubble, the liberals and establishment Republicans are not really upset by what they call Trump's lack of fitness for office (Liberal hypocrisy!); they are upset because they lost and the game is up. America is about to become great and they'll be out of power forever--these are the stakes, according to Rush. So the globalist liberals and Republicans cannot let that happen!

oops, sorry I went on so long XXLT. 

(05-20-2017, 01:58 PM)hollodero Wrote: Oh yes they do. Not the respectable ones like Wallace and Smith. But the ones people listen to, like Hannity. I witnessed him talking deep state. Tough watch.

(05-21-2017, 07:22 AM)xxlt Wrote: No worries. You did two things (at least). 1. You defined irony thoroughly in contemporary dynamics. Briefly, a fake news dynamo and a handful of sidekicks deliver false information so persistently and so long that a swath of a "society" now believes the lies and calls real events "fake news." That is irony. I guess my only question now is if the President really is "one of them," i.e. someone who can't differentiate truth from fiction because he has dieted on the latter for so long courtesy of Ailes et al. 2. You reminded me the situation isn't just as bad as I think, it is 10 fold or more worse. And just when my suicidal ideation was beginning to subside. Thanks. xoxo!

(05-20-2017, 07:52 AM)xxlt Wrote: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/17/mike-pence-president-trump-238525

Or, as Yogi Berra said, "It's deja vu all over again."

The Democratic leaders are now shrewdly calling for patience. Rather than letting a handful of Republicans join an impeachment vote, they are going to sit back and wait for the Republicans to take the initiative. It is their mess, let them clean it up, or be engulfed by it. Hopefully the country isn't engulfed first as the Dems follow the Repukelican lead and put party over country.

(05-18-2017, 10:24 AM)michaelsean Wrote: I have a hard time believing someone writing a note to himself saying that Trump said what he said can be legitimate evidence of obstruction, and if Comey thought it was obstruction, why didn't he report it to the Justice Dept at the time?

(05-21-2017, 07:25 AM)xxlt Wrote: He's a tough watch saying, "Hello, I'm Sean Hannity." I commend your courage in getting more than a few moments beyond that!

(05-21-2017, 07:25 AM)xxlt Wrote: Or, wait a minute, you're one of those European weirdos aren't you?

(05-21-2017, 07:25 AM)xxlt Wrote: Are you a masochist too?

(05-21-2017, 12:21 PM)hollodero Wrote: Sometimes one needs to see what one is talking about. I have to say, it was worse than I thought. Manipulative right-wing agitator.



No sir. I'm a completely unique weirdo who just happens to live amongst those Europeans.



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(02-20-2017, 11:29 AM)xxlt Wrote: I just read a list of five possible violations of the Constitution. Pretty impressive in just a month. Here it is:


In just his first month Trump has arguably violated 5 provisions of the U.S. Constitution:

1. By raking in money from foreign governments, Trump may have violated Article I, Section 9: “no person holding office shall… accept any emolument … from a foreign state.”
2. By banning travel from 7 countries with a majority of Muslims, and exempting Christians, Trump may have violated the 1st Amendment’s prohibition of any “law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”
3. By denigrating the free press, publicly calling it an “enemy of the American people,” and seeking to turn the public against it, Trump may have abridged the freedom of the press under the 1st Amendment.
4. By disparaging and inciting violence against Mexican Americans, Muslim Americans, and African-Americans, Trump may have violated the 14th Amendment’s “equal protection” clause.
5. If he knew of or participated in Russia’s attempt to get him elected he violated Article III, Section 3: “Treason against the United States shall consist in … adhering to [America’s] enemies.”


That list was compiled by former Clinton Labor Secretary Robert Reich. So, he is an idiot, he don't no nothin' 'bout govmint, and he hates Trump. Not credible. So much hate. Terrible, really. Terrible.

But there it is. And Reich says be patient, a bipartisan call for impeachment will come. But, see above to debunk that theory.

(05-22-2017, 12:11 AM)Vlad Wrote: Collaborating with the Russians to get yourself elected — not a criminal act.

(05-22-2017, 01:35 AM)hollodero Wrote: Honest question: Is this true?

(05-22-2017, 02:06 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: But, otherwise, since the source of all this Russian collusion appears to be opposition research (which relied on PAYMENTS to Russians spies) initially funded by Republican primary candidates, and then supporters of Clinton.....

(05-22-2017, 02:06 AM)JustWinBaby Wrote: I mean, when you step back and try to put a bow on all this....Vlad is a frickin' genius.

(05-22-2017, 02:21 AM)hollodero Wrote: Ehm, say what now? The FBI's investigating this, too. I doubt they just fell for fake news.